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Per Sagarin…we are the 152nd ranked AllTime Basketball program…right behind Montana!!!
Our total years of existence hurt us alot…but look at some of the programs ahead of us:
Idaho - 147
Canisius - 145
Akron - 144
Pacific - 138
Tennessee State - 137
Manhattan - 131
Rice - 129
Niagra - 122
Detroit - 107
Toledo - 83
Wyoming - 63
Iowa State - 52
Kansas State - 27
Discuss…
Iowa at #10 shocked me.
Our total years of existence hurt us alot
Looks like our lack of years really skews the numbers, making it pretty worthless for a newer institution.
Fat Pat Kennedy had a stint at Montana before beaching at Towson. If you want to get up in arms about something, this isn’t it.
[QUOTE=NLP;434980]Fat Pat Kennedy had a stint at Montana before beaching at Towson. If you want to get up in arms about something, this isn’t it.[/QUOTE]
UCLA not being at number 1 makes this list invalid.
Forde calls him out and is pretty much spot on… got to love the big 10 ass kissing.
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[URL]http://assets.espn.go.com/photo/2009/1004/cbe1.pdf[/URL]Per Sagarin…we are the 152nd ranked AllTime Basketball program…right behind Montana!!!
Our total years of existence hurt us alot…but look at some of the programs ahead of us:
Idaho - 147
Canisius - 145
Akron - 144
Pacific - 138
Tennessee State - 137
Manhattan - 131
Rice - 129
Niagra - 122
Detroit - 107
Toledo - 83
Wyoming - 63
Iowa State - 52
Kansas State - 27Discuss…
But did you see the number of years we’ve had a ateam…:shades:
Other teams also with short histories, but still ahead of us???
New Orleans
Tulane
South Florida
UAB (at 45?)
Other teams also with short histories, but still ahead of us???New Orleans
Tulane
South Florida
UAB (at 45?)
UAB maybe (based on a very strong 1980s and their run a few years ago) but the other 3 here, no way! I guarantee (without looking it up) that we have more NCAA appearances and FFs than these----USF has almost nothing other than marginal success in the 1980s.
Iowa at #10 shocked me.
Why?..Iowa was strong for many years 80-90s I know…
Edit, I just looked at the poll and see how it was done now. Seems to factor in SOS a lot and not NCAA appearances, conference championships, etc…very little merit to it, IMO because of the “power conference” bias.
Other teams also with short histories, but still ahead of us???Maybe UAB never had any really down stretches? Does seem a little high. What were our records like in the eras pre-Rose? That along with the early-mid 80’s may have been enough to drag us down. And our good years were probably not high enough to make up for these really bad stretches.New Orleans
Tulane
South Florida
UAB (at 45?)
The A10 comes in ok, almost certainly the best non-big 6 conference (though the Mountain West is up there). Temple 31, Dayton 48, Saint Louis 53, St. Joe’s 56, Xavier 59, Duquesne 67, Lasalle 71, St. Bonnie 96, GW 97, URI 114, Fordham 133, Charlotte 152, Umass 157, Richmond 158.
[QUOTE=9erken;435017]What were our records like in the eras pre-Rose?[/QUOTE]
Bill Foster’s record as HC (1970-75) was 88-38. Not sure why pre-1970 would factor in since we were not NCAA Division I prior to that. Also, school started playing hoops in 1946, so I don’t understand the 49 years listed by ESPN. Also still a junior college in 1960, so record as 4-year school would start in 1965. Hmmm…
We should be in the top 100. I can’t give reasons right now.
Bill Foster's record as HC (1970-75) was 88-38. Not sure why pre-1970 would factor in since we were not NCAA Division I prior to that. Also, school started playing hoops in 1946, so I don't understand the 49 years listed by ESPN. Also still a junior college in 1960, so record as 4-year school would start in 1965. Hmmm...
Maybe they were being sentimental.
49 years of existence. THIS IS OUR YEAR.
/koolaid.
Bill Foster's record as HC (1970-75) was 88-38. Not sure why pre-1970 would factor in since we were not NCAA Division I prior to that. Also, school started playing hoops in 1946, so I don't understand the 49 years listed by ESPN. Also still a junior college in 1960, so record as 4-year school would start in 1965. Hmmm...Was Foster's record against decent competition? If so, that shoots my early years holding us back theory in the foot. Unless they screwed up and included years before that they shouldn't have.
Bradley surprises me being that high and Georgetown surprises me being that low
Bradley surprises me being that high and Georgetown surprises me being that low
Georgetown did NOTHING prior to late 70s/early 80s----I don’t think.
Georgetown did NOTHING prior to late 70s/early 80s----I don't think.
Apparently your right, but I must admit I wasn’t around then so I was surprised
Bradley must have been strong early on because I can’t recall them being that strong- I was also surprised by Minnesota but they were pretty strong early on it seems
[QUOTE=Hooner49;435044]49 years of existence. THIS IS OUR YEAR.[/QUOTE]
Hooner, ESPN’s math is off. Founded in 1946 = 63 years of existence.
1946-1949: Charlotte Center of the University of North Carolina = 3 years
1949-1965: Charlotte College = 16 years
1965-present: University of North Carolina at Charlotte = 44 years
1970-present: Niners as NCAA Division I men’s basketball program = 39 years