Alumni donations to sports program

[QUOTE=SilvioDante;308321]These numbers are incredibly sad and depressing.

Sure adding football will help, but there has got to someone who cares or something that can be done to improve this.

Waiting until football is just going put the school further behind the ā€œ8 ballā€.

It is really sad to see a school of our size has this little support.

Does anyone know, are there plans to GROW the 49er Club?[/QUOTE]

Plans to grow - how about communication? There are years I have not given anything and there are years I have. It seems most often I have to reach out to get details. Anytime you are depending on your base reaching out instead of the school reaching out then that is a bad sign. I have NO idea who runs the show but they suck. I have not got season tickets in a few years because of my work location, but I never receive any communication from the club or the AD. If it was not for this message board I would know virtually nothing about what is happening at Charlotte. So it is no surprise to me that our giving is so low, most graduates have no connected feeling to the school and the school (academic, athletics, club) does virtually nothing to try to create/keep that connection.

[QUOTE=metro;308379]I bet that figure is up too. Only in the past couple years have they telephone blitzed. [B]I know I give them $50 every time they call.[/B][/QUOTE]

Man, I need to start calling Metro… :tongue:

One year I told them I’d send $ if they got my UNCC traffic ticket waived, & they wouldn’t, so their donation went to the Parking Dept.

So, what you need is for Dubois to see football as the magic bullet that solves all this.

[QUOTE=NinerWupAss;308386]Plans to grow - how about communication? [/QUOTE]

Good place to start. Don’t know anyone personaly involved in the 49er Club, but I do think some things need to be changed.

I think I’ve said this before.

The gap between $49 (parking pass & halftime hospitality) and $500 (media guide) is insane. Even UNC-CH only ā€œchargesā€ $200 for football and basketball.

http://www.ramsclub.com/ViewArticle.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=3350&ATCLID=1300936

ONE MORE TIME…THEY NEED TO CHARGE MORE THAN $49.00 for parking pass/halftime hospitality and they need to do something to motivate people to give in the $250-$300 range. They’ve tried the ā€œpeople will give because they love the Universityā€ for as long as I can remember and it has played a key role in getting the program where it is right now.

  • one caveat - consider allowing immediate graduates to buy parking pass/halftime hospitality for $49.00. After that, you should have to pay more. If thats an issue, get a better job.

[QUOTE=Mike_Persinger;308392]So, what you need is for Dubois to see football as the magic bullet that solves all this.[/QUOTE]

Football = magic bullet ?

gosh darn, I hope no one in the administration is thinking that way. If they are we are in serious trouble.

Hoping that something in 2012 will solve the problems is a terrible way to do business.

START FIXING THINGS NOW. Please.

I agree with you, Silvio. The suggestions that people won’t increase giving UNLESS and UNTIL football is approved are not healthy for your program, with or without the addition of football. Increased giving NOW would help the football effort. The lack of same hurts it.

So, what you need is for Dubois to see football as the magic bullet that solves all this.
I don't understand the idea that football solves anything.

We couldn’t even pack Halton for the #8 Xavier team.

There are bigger problems than not having football.

[QUOTE=Mike_Persinger;308298]Where would $1200 put you?[/QUOTE]
Mike, I assume you came up with the $1200 number when you multiplied the $300 student fees increase by 4 years. But you seem to keep forgetting… that motion passed by 80 something percent.

Now, here’s one of the many reasons we have this issue: [B]FOR MANY YEARS, OUR STUDENTS READ THE ******* OBSERVER AND DEVELOPED A LOW OPINION OF 49ER SPORTS BECAUSE OUR STORIES WERE USUALLY BURIED ON THE LAST PAGE WHILE OTHER SCHOOLS WERE ON THE FRONT PAGE.[/B]

That’s one of many of the problems… but I’ll admit our administration was probably as much to blame as anyone.

[QUOTE=Mike_Persinger;308396]I agree with you, Silvio. The suggestions that people won’t increase giving UNLESS and UNTIL football is approved are not healthy for your program, with or without the addition of football. Increased giving NOW would help the football effort. The lack of same hurts it.[/QUOTE]
I have to agree with this.

I left a message last year for the 49er club asking them to call me back so I could contribute my dues by credit card over the phone. No one called me back and 3 weeks later I had to call again and got a live person and donated.

Most of the time its better than that though.

I think the $49 is a good idea, better to have a low threshold. They just have to work hard to get more people involved. Especially young, recent alumni. I started contributing right after graduating and got used to it and havent stopped.

Here’s the problem… CHP needs to clean out the head of the athletic donation department and hire someone with some experience amd marketing ability

I sent CHP a e mail stating that I wanted to donate $2500 for one year to show my dedication of future support for a football program. He replied and stated that he would have the 49er club get me some information. It’s been 2 months and I haven’t seen anything. I gave him my address and phone #!!! No call, no information. Not only was I giving 2500.00, my employer thru my wife would match the donation. That is 5K the athletic department apparently isn’t hungry enough to get.

Another thing, there needs to be more Marketing at the athletic events. The 49er club should have contest or free t-shirts if you fill out a survey. Simply to get your address so the 49er club can reach out to those fans to see about donating.

Example… I work with this guy, I asked him if he has ever recieved any kind of information from the 49er club about making a donation (mail,phone,e mail). He stated ā€œneverā€ I asked another guy who graduated from Clemson, he said the IPTAY club send e mails to all graduates of the university. valid e mail address or not.

The athletic foundation is a joke and needs some serious changes!!!

If anyone cares I have a few thoughts:

First I believe the confusion related to the 10,000 number is due the the ranking system we use. If you have ever given to the Athletic Foundation or ever bought season tickets you earned priority points so it stands to reason that if you bought seson tickets or donated for the first time you are probably in the 10,000 range(Keep in mind that 10,000 number represents EVERYONE for the history of the program).

Secondly I like to address the football as a magic bullet question: Is that how Phil should base his decision?? Probably not, but the fact is it is the only way we will ever create the connection neccesary to make alumni want to give to the school.

The fact is the school has never put in the neccesary resources into fundraising and it doesn’t seem to understand how to cultivate a culture of giving.

Lets take myself as an example: When I graduated in December of 1991 I beleive I can recall saying to a friend, ā€œI will never give this school a dime.ā€ I think I had just paid off the last of my parking tickets and got had just gotten back $15 for a text book I paid $80 for and for the next 10 years or so I never thought much about UNCC(that’s what it was called then) and certainly never gave any money (I think I was called 2 or 3 times). Then the biggest 49er fan I had ever met (Didn’t even know they existed) invited me to Halton for the first time. The next season a group of us bought season tickets and made the weekly trip down from Clemmons, a year later I joined the Athletic foundiation for the parking pass and free soda and chips at half time and then a few years later I found ninernation.net and realized there actually were a group of 49er fans like other schools had.

Fast forward to the present and I have given more money that I ever imagined I would have when I graduated and I certainly have giving a lot more of my time that I ever thought possible. I am now invested in the school and want to see it’s continued growth and success. Now they key for me going forward is, the school also has to want it too.

When we get football or the parameters for getting football is set, then our approach to fundraising will have to change drastically. Right now they Athletic foundation consists of 3 whole people, luckily they are all excellent, but there is only so much 3 people can do. They will add at least 2 more people with the addition of football which should help. The key will be over the 3 to 4 years before we take the field it to develope the culture of giving and get the the entire alumni base involved. By they time we take the field I would like to see us have 5000 foundation members and I have some ideas on how to make this happen.

In this area we have several of the most successful booster groups in the country. State has over 20,000 member and they raise more money than god, If you haven’t been to Carter Finley in a while you will see what I mean. ECU has over 14,000 members and raise close to 4 million a year. Clemson and UNC also boost huge memberships and can basically raise however much money they need.

While it is hard to imagine us ever at their level, keep in mind without football we are still within 200 to 300 members and a couple of hundred thousand of what App St raises every year even with 3 straight national championships.

Plans to grow - how about communication? There are years I have not given anything and there are years I have. It seems most often I have to reach out to get details. Anytime you are depending on your base reaching out instead of the school reaching out then that is a bad sign. I have NO idea who runs the show but they suck. I have not got season tickets in a few years because of my work location, but I never receive any communication from the club or the AD. If it was not for this message board I would know virtually nothing about what is happening at Charlotte. So it is no surprise to me that our giving is so low, most graduates have no connected feeling to the school and the school (academic, athletics, club) does virtually nothing to try to create/keep that connection.

QFT

The only thing I received from the school was a slip of paper in my diploma when they mailed it to me 2.5 months after I graduated. I had to hunt them down just to get the damn thing mailed to me, and this was after they told me they had no record of me graduating. It was ridiculous! On top of that, the slip of paper had a link on it and when I went to access the link, it was invalid. I had to search my way through the school’s website. On top of them being late with my diploma, had I registered as an alumni I would get a Charlotte Alumni shirt, but since they sent it to me late, I didn’t get one.

I had a rough time straightening out my tickets for bball this year too, but that was a separate matter, and John George was a huge help.

You spend 4…(ok…5) years in college hoping, if not fighting to get your school the respect (and football team) it deserves. You have the best of intentions. You have media people on your side. You are starting to get the largest city in the state to finally support you.

And who slaps you in the face…your own people. I understand being cautious and not wanting to get people’s hopes up. However, why not be a part of something. I know the administrators have a lot to consider (academics included) but why not…for once in your career at Charlotte, be apart of this.

I know the admninistrators can make this happen by simply saying yes. But what bothers be is everyone in the niner family will have to convince them to say yes. Or at least feels they do. Maybe they want to alienate the student body and make it clear they are the ones in charge. Maybe they want to be on the UNC board someday. But I dare say, if you come out and support niner football the way you should, you will not be shunned…

You will be CELEBRATED!!!

IMO

IMO, I think if you do not attend basketball games while you are a student you are less likely to give to the athletic department and buy season tickets as an alumni. You have to develop that desire as a student. I know when I graduated I lived in Charlotte and had a desire to still watch the Niners. Had I not developed this interest as a student I doubt I would be purchasing tickets now. Personally speaking my donation has dropped over the past few years after we moved to the A10 and I wasn’t happy with the product on the floor and was on the verge of cancelling my season tickets. Thankfully I feel the program is on the upswing. I also get the feeling that donations over the past few years has dropped because even though I reduced my yearly donation I kept moving closer to the floor!

[QUOTE=Jimmyhat49er;308422]
The fact is the school has never put in the neccesary resources into fundraising and it doesn’t seem to understand how to cultivate a culture of giving.
[/QUOTE]

This statement appears to be all too honest of an assessment of the current giving environment.

The addition of football will certainly attract more givers, but if the solicitors don’t understand ā€œhow to cultivate a culture of givingā€ the issues won’t go away.

I hope I’m wrong, but I know what my experience (or history) has been with the 49er Club and I also know that those who can not learn from history are doomed to repeat it.

Show me a sign of change in the ā€œculture of givingā€ and I will renew my enthusiasm, til then I expect the worst. It minimizes disappointment.

[QUOTE=CPA_Niner;308489][B]IMO, I think if you do not attend basketball games while you are a student you are less likely to give to the athletic department and buy season tickets as an alumni.[/B] You have to develop that desire as a student. I know when I graduated I lived in Charlotte and had a desire to still watch the Niners. Had I not developed this interest as a student I doubt I would be purchasing tickets now.[/QUOTE]

I agree, however, I am the exception. I attended one basketball game while in school… It was unfortunately, the game we will not speak of. Since graduating, I have bought two season tickets every season and donated to the 49er Club just as faithfully. But, I think that is rare.

[QUOTE=CPA_Niner;308489]I also get the feeling that donations over the past few years has dropped because [B]even though I reduced my yearly donation I kept moving closer to the floor[/B]![/QUOTE]
That will not continue IMO.

[QUOTE=ChevEE;308492]It was unfortunately, the game we will not speak of. [/QUOTE]

you may have to be a tad more specific, in spite of all of the good things that have happened in recent years, there seem to be a couple of these in each season.

I agree with you, Silvio. The suggestions that people won't increase giving UNLESS and UNTIL football is approved are not healthy for your program, with or without the addition of football. Increased giving NOW would help the football effort. The lack of same hurts it.
It may not be healthy but it's probably reality. Add to that theory the fact that we haven't made the NCAA Basketball Tourney the last three . Together they equal no rise in donations anytime soon. Sad but true.