I am so sick of reading about Boise St, App, UNCP, Coastal, ODU, you name it, administrators getting it. Ours donât. Our admin sends nice polite little emails back saying âthanks for your concern about 49er athleticsâ and they assume all this football heat will go away once the fball season is done and over with, and then they can get back light rail, uptown campuses, and indoor tennis facilities.
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and then they can get back light rail, uptown campuses, and indoor tennis facilities.
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I think we are really missing the boat by not building the indoor tennis center uptown with light rail running through it.
I think we are really missing the boat by not building the indoor tennis center uptown with light rail running through it.
Genius.
[QUOTE=JaMiNNiNeR;208216]âŚwhat is going to cause enough of a âspikeâ in applications to UNC Charlotte to fill the planned 30,000-40,000 student enrollment?[/QUOTE]
Probably the same things that spiked us to 21,000 over the last 10 years. Football might add a few extra applications, but itâs certainly not the decide-all factor. We will have 28,000-30,000 by 2017 with, or without, football.
Right. College football won't work in a large US city.For example, New York City would not light up the Empire State Building in the school colors of the football team in your avatar.
I hope youâre being sarcastic. LA, Miami, Boston, DC, Pittsburgh, Louisville, Birmingham, Phoenix, and Atlanta all support college football programs pretty well. Thatâs what I can name in 45 seconds of thinking about it; give me an hour and Iâm sure I can come up with a few more. Many of those cities have other major teams in NFL, MLB, NHL, etc. to eat up entertainment dollars.
My point is that being in a major city is not necessarily a death blow.
[QUOTE=X-49er;208235]Probably the same things that spiked us to 21,000 over the last 10 years. Football might add a few extra applications, but itâs certainly not the decide-all factor. We will have 28,000-30,000 by 2017 with, or without, football.[/QUOTE]
very good point. football will NOT spike our student amountâŚ
However, football will definately change the type student that applies and applications will spike making it harder to get in. Sadly many of the 21,000 students now are commuting mommaâs boys who are scared to leave the house, still root for UNC or State, and never commit themselves to UNCC emotionally. Football will morph the average UNCC student from suitcase kid to one that is engaged and participates socially. Think about how many kids never even file an application to UNCC because the lack of football, they know the social life will suck. And quite honestly, your higher quality kids probably want the social/football type school.
very good point. football will NOT spike our student amount...However, football will definately change the type student that applies and applications will spike making it harder to get in. Sadly many of the 21,000 students now are commuting mommaâs boys who are scared to leave the house, still root for UNC or State, and never commit themselves to UNCC emotionally. Football will morph the average UNCC student from suitcase kid to one that is engaged and participates socially. Think about how many kids never even file an application to UNCC because the lack of football, they know the social life will suck. And quite honestly, your higher quality kids probably want the social/football type school.
I would also go as far to say that because we dont have football we lose a lot of good students that are just âSports Fansâ in general. While that may not relate to attendance at soccer games, it would relate to attendance at basketball games.
Getting students that are avid sports fans equates to alumni that are avid sports fans.
Avid sports fans donate. Apathetic students donât.
clt has 2 comments. one, be sure to send ALL football related articles to Phil, Judy and the Board of Trustees. Yes, we are going to annoy them, but the squeaky wheel gets the grease.
also, we donât exactly have a problem with the number of applicants to the U. if we have a problem, it is with the perceived quality of our students and applicants. it is not easy to get into Charlotte now.
I hope you're being sarcastic. LA, Miami, Boston, DC, Pittsburgh, Louisville, Birmingham, Phoenix, and Atlanta all support college football programs pretty well. That's what I can name in 45 seconds of thinking about it; give me an hour and I'm sure I can come up with a few more. Many of those cities have other major teams in NFL, MLB, NHL, etc. to eat up entertainment dollars.My point is that being in a major city is not necessarily a death blow.
Noreaster - I was being smart ass.
New York has a bunch of sports teams but they still caught college football fever. (They even lit up the empire state building in scarlet red)
Todays agenda for UNCC administrators:
The administrators will do a study on taking a crap. Afterwhich, they will agree to hold a vote on an official vote for taking a crap. If the vote has thousands of yes replies and is over 90% in the affirmative, they will do an official vote for taking a crap via a closed internet survey. After that, they still might not take a crapâŚ
This is why our administration is full of s***.
[QUOTE=metro;208237] And quite honestly, your higher quality kids probably want the social/football type school.[/QUOTE]
So are you saying that those of us that choose UNCC, in spite of no âsocial/footballâ environment are not higher quality kids ?
Noreaster - I was being smart ass.New York has a bunch of sports teams but they still caught college football fever. (They even lit up the empire state building in scarlet red)
Thatâs coolâŚdid not know that.
[QUOTE=SilvioDante;208246]So are you saying that those of us that choose UNCC, in spite of no âsocial/footballâ environment are not higher quality kids ?[/QUOTE]
to a degree. yes.
academically UNCC applicants are of good quality, but lets be honest your well rounded type of student coming out of high school is going to choose a place where he gets the full universtiy experience (downtown bar scene, football games, frat row) I think we get stuck with alot of kids who have nice adademic backgrounds but arenât here to participate or interact. Football would attract a different applicant is all Iâm saying. To me quality goes beyond a studentâs grades.
[QUOTE=survivor45;208215]Right. College football wonât work in a large US city.
For example, New York City would not light up the Empire State Building in the school colors of the football team in your avatar.[/QUOTE]
What other D-1 programs does Rutgers have to compete withâŚSyracuse? UCONN? Boston College? Temple? None of those schools are in the NY Metro area except Rutgers and Rutgers is the flagship University of the most densely populated state in the US. It makes absolutely no sense comparing Charlotte to that area. Plus the fact that as much of a big deal Rutgers has been in the NY Metro area, many people could care less about their success, its just the fact that there are so many people in the area that enough care to make a difference. Not sure that would be the case in Charlotte where you have a NFL team and 5 other D-1 football teams in state that fans have decades of loyalty to.
The City of Charlotte barely gets behind a successful basketball team at our school, yet you expect them to treat a Charlotte college football team to a higher level than the Panthers??? That is the type of treatment Boise State gets in Idaho, they are the only game in townâŚHUGE difference than the situation in Charlotte.
I want football as much as anyone, but people canât look at Boise State and expect that to happen here.
to a degree. yes.academically UNCC applicants are of good quality, but lets be honest your well rounded type of student coming out of high school is going to choose a place where he gets the full universtiy experience (downtown bar scene, football games, frat row) I think we get stuck with alot of kids who have nice adademic backgrounds but arenât here to participate or interact. Football would attract a different applicant is all Iâm saying. To me quality goes beyond a studentâs grades.
downtown bar scene, football games, frat row = quality student???
I might have to disagree with that one. While I agree being well-rounded is essential, but there are other things in life besides partying.
I want football as much as anyone, but people canât look at Boise State and expect that to happen here.
I was merely looking at it from a standpoint that our University brings in more money through donations.
We have more students.
And Boise state isnât an âold Universityâ that we like to use the excuse that we arenât either.
Football is possible here. It just isnât wanted by people in charge. At some point I hope that changes.
Yes we would compete with the panthers, but guess what, they play on Sunday. We would play on Saturday. There are many people in this town that would love to just make it one big football weekend and go to both games in a weekend OR would be like âwell the panthers are away/on a bye, lets go to a 49ers game this weekend.â
Our competition is Wake, UNC, State, App, not the other things to do in Charlotte. Our own students and alumni drive hours to go to other schools to watch football. That is a shame.
It works in all the cities noreater listed, it works in boise, it works at campbell, it works in Tampa, it works in Birmingham, it works in Boone, it works in Cullowhee, it works in Pembroke. HOW CAN IT NOT WORK IN CHARLOTTE, NC!!?!?!??!
[QUOTE=Over40NINER;208224]I think we are really missing the boat by not building the indoor tennis center uptown with light rail running through it.[/QUOTE]
Ah, that will have to be the second stop on the line then, because my dad has had it running into Bobcats arena for some time nowâŚ
Yes we would compete with the panthers, but guess what, they play on Sunday. We would play on Saturday. There are many people in this town that would love to just make it one big football weekend and go to both games in a weekend OR would be like "well the panthers are away/on a bye, lets go to a 49ers game this weekend."
Absolutely.
And, if thereâs one thing the Boise State-OU Fiesta Bowl game illustrated, it was how different the two games actually are. College football has so much that professional football doesnât: the emotion, the pageantry, the bands, alumni⌠Itâs completely different. And, in my opinion, far superior to any pro football experience. Iâm not talking talent-level⌠Iâm talking the experience.
Regardless, youâre right. I donât think the two would compete for resources or be mutually exclusive in the least.
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Yes we would compete with the panthers, but guess what, they play on Sunday. We would play on Saturday. There are many people in this town that would love to just make it one big football weekend and go to both games in a weekend OR would be like âwell the panthers are away/on a bye, lets go to a 49ers game this weekend.â
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Iâve been talking to some Panther PSL owners, and many of them say they would love to attend our football games. Some are UNCC grads. Some are not. Football will be a great way to get some additional non-alumni support.
Also⌠FWIW⌠I was at the Wake/ECU basketball game on New Years Day and some ECU fans told me they heard we would have football within 5 years because some of the Trustees and supporters of the school are giving it a strong push now. (Metro has told us the same thing too)
BTW NinerID, thanks for the âgeniusâ compliment. I tried to keep it a secret but I guess now the secret is out.
Yes we would compete with the panthers, but guess what, they play on Sunday. We would play on Saturday. There are many people in this town that would love to just make it one big football weekend and go to both games in a weekend OR would be like "well the panthers are away/on a bye, lets go to a 49ers game this weekend."
In addition to this, how many people want to take their family to a football game but canât afford the $40+ ticket prices for Panthers games? I would assume that 49er ticket prices would be fairly low to start, maybe in the $10 range for cheap seats. Assuming that, youâre talking about taking a family of 4 to a game for the same price as 1 ticket to a Panthers game. When it comes down to it, what does the team matter to a 7 year old? Thatâs where allegiances start. My uncle takes my 8 year old cousin to Davidson football games all the time. He doesnât care whoâs playing, he just wants to go to a game. When he gets older, Iâll bet that he ends up being a Davidson fan. Building a non-alumni (and future student) fan base starts with little kids who root for the team because theyâre the home team.