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[URL=http://www.charlotte.com/breaking_news/story/548877.html][B][U]Donor gave, and UNCC winced[/U][/B][/URL], Charlotte Observer

It's something ALL the time!

[URL=http://www.charlotte.com/breaking_news/story/548877.html][B][U]Donor gave, and UNCC winced[/U][/B][/URL], Charlotte Observer

“It’s going to make us look like a rinky-dink university,” UNCC religious studies professor Richard Cohen said Thursday after UNCC Chancellor Phil Dubois told the faculty council about the gift. “It’s like teaching the Bible as a requirement.”

This is pretty simple. He is absolutely right. Richard Cohen is one of the best professors I have ever had and in fact I have taken him twice. This is a great quote. Some donor shouldn’t be able to tell the school what to teach. What does John Allison know about education? I don’t think this is such a big deal though. The ideology he is promoting isn’t as strong as the Bible. So I kind of find the whole thing a bit arbitrary. Why does this guy care so much about students reading a novel by Ayn Rand? One problem I see however is that it opens the door to allow a donor to stipulate whatever they want in a gift to the university. Hypothetically, suppose someone donates a **** ton of money but stipulates that the university must teach Young Earth Creationism. That is the kind of thing that scares me about this. Donors should not be able to dictate curriculum.

On the flip side, what does prof. Richard Cohen know about business or industry? Me personally, I’d rather learn from those who have done IT rather than those who can only tell me about IT…

IMO this points to the fact our school takes the pipe from the state, if we weren’t starving for funding we might have reacted differently

On the flip side, what does prof. Richard Cohen know about business or industry? Me personally, I'd rather learn from those who have done IT rather than those who can only tell me about IT....

IMO this points to the fact our school takes the pipe from the state, if we weren’t starving for funding we might have reacted differently

I agree. And it makes our school look rinky-dink, like Prof. Cohen said.

[QUOTE=HP49er;308021]It’s something ALL the time![/QUOTE]

I would have just let the faculty vote on it, yay or nay. If the conditions changed, as Dubois said, then re-vote. End of story.

Donors can attach conditions if they want to - and if they’re within reason and the faculty has no problems with it, then there’s no big deal.

I just hope they have the sense to turn down book-reading requests by wealthy Scientologists.

so… theres 27 other universities doing this, including NCSU? How is their faculty taking it?

I would be more concerned if there wasnt a nother major university in there with us… 1 mil will do a lot more for guilford college than it will for Charlotte.

Here’s the real problem. The book is over a thousand pages long, Rand is a mediocre writer, and objectivism is deeply flawed as a philosophy.

I just hope they have the sense to turn down book-reading requests by wealthy Scientologists. [IMG]http://www.geocities.com/fiona5447xx/smiley/afdb.smiley.gif[/IMG]

Whatever happened to just having a building with your name on it?

I read the headline on charlotte.com’s frontpage, “$1 million gift to UNCC comes with strings” and thought someone had donated and made a stipulation regarding football.

Here's the real problem. The book is over a thousand pages long, Rand is a mediocre writer, and objectivism is deeply flawed as a philosophy.

It’s a great book. If a college student can’t read it in a semester, there are bigger problems.

I only read half way through the article before I realized that everything after about halfway was probably pointless to read… but can anyone tell me what class you’re supsoed to read this for? Bc ive never heard of it… and I dont think it will particularly help engineers.

It's a great book. If a college student can't read it in a semester, there are bigger problems.

Sure, but most classes require the reading of several books. A class dedicated to 1 book would be ridiculous.

Sure, but most classes require the reading of several books. A class dedicated to 1 book would be ridiculous.

devils advocate your math classes, and history classes are regularly centered around a single book.

why didn’t the observer put “However, if UNC Charlotte recieved the financial backing from the state of North Carolina on par with even an average university, such backhand deals may not be needed.”

I read the headline on charlotte.com's frontpage, "$1 million gift to UNCC comes with strings" and thought someone had donated and made a stipulation regarding football.

I did too. Of course, I got suckered into reading the article.

*devils advocate* your math classes, and history classes are regularly centered around a single book.

Sorry… Most literature classes require the reading of several books. Having a literature class centered around 1 book is almost unheard of. You can play devil’s advocate if you can name one literature class that is focused on 1 piece of literature.

Meck Deck blogs on this:

[URL]http://charlotte.johnlocke.org/blog/?p=2311[/URL]

[B][URL=http://charlotte.johnlocke.org/blog/?p=2311][U][COLOR=#800080]UNCC vs. Ayn Rand[/COLOR][/U][/URL][/B]

[SIZE=2]Posted March 23rd, 2008 at 11:41 AM by Jeff Taylor[/SIZE]
I’ll have more — much more — [URL=http://www.charlotte.com/277/story/548877.html][U][COLOR=#0066cc]on this[/COLOR][/U][/URL] later, but for now recall that Phil Dubois has no business [URL=http://charlotte.johnlocke.org/blog/?p=16][U][COLOR=#800080]acting shocked[/COLOR][/U][/URL] over what the BB&T gift entailed. At its core was a [I]moral defense[/I] of capitalism. If that doesn’t tell you that you are going to be teaching Ayn Rand, I don’t know what does.
Oh, and I think we’ve set a record on scooping the Uptown paper of record — two years, seven months.

The “acting shocked” is quoted back to 9/3/2005, when the Charlotte Captialist reported. Good job observer.

http://www.ninernation.net/forum/showthread.php?t=10857

[QUOTE=TheNinerAlchemist;308051]Here’s the real problem. The book is over a thousand pages long, Rand is a mediocre writer, and objectivism is deeply flawed as a philosophy.[/QUOTE]

Same thing I said 2.5 years ago:

[QUOTE=NinerAdvocate;130940]Great, JohnBoy just bought us “Ayn Rand 1101”.

Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

(I guess a donation is a donation).[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=ninerID;308086]why didn’t the observer put “However, if UNC Charlotte recieved the financial backing from the state of North Carolina on par with even an average university, such backhand deals may not be needed.”[/QUOTE]

Word.

I read the headline on charlotte.com's frontpage, "$1 million gift to UNCC comes with strings" and thought someone had donated and made a stipulation regarding football.

I thought the exact thing :lmao: