clt provides more UNC CHeat scandal.

[quote=“49r9r, post:679, topic:28477”][quote=“4ever niner, post:675, topic:28477”][quote=“49r9r, post:673, topic:28477”][quote=“cltniners, post:670, topic:28477”]http://www.charlotteobserver.com/news/local/education/article11829326.html

clt says the massive academic fraud was not limited to AFAM.[/quote]

To quote a UNC-chapel hill fan I know… “This stuff is not a big deal. This happens everywhere. Carolina just got caught. That’s because the NCAA is after them because they have the best athletic program in the history of the world.”
[/quote] The Waddell case was an isolated incident. There is no culture of cheating at Chapel Hill. ;D

The “happens everywhere” excuser should be asked why the Hell he bothers to pay attention to college athletics if he really believes that everyone cheats. Of course, asking a Walmart TarHole to examine his own motives might assume he has an IQ above 75, so…never mind.[/quote]

Some of their fans are also taking the smug attitude of “Yes, we are guilty, but we will never be punished”.[/quote]
Smug yes but I think they’re probably correct

UNC scandal raises new questions at grad level

The academic-athletics scandal at the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill is like the mythical multi-headed Hydra serpent battled by Hercules. Every time he cut off one of the Hydra’s heads, two more grew back.

So it has been at UNC-CH. After multiple swipes at getting to the bottom of the scandal, the extensive $3 million Wainstein report appeared to expose the full extent of academic fraud. It documented how athletes were kept eligible over a period of nearly 20 years through phony classes in the former African and African-American Studies Department. Now the scandal has moved from those undergraduate classes to graduate classes in the Exercise and Sports Science Department.

In a report Sunday, The News & Observer’s Dan Kane published charges by Cheryl Thomas, the graduate school’s admissions director from 2002 to 2010. She says athletic officials sought to keep players eligible by having them enrolled in graduate school. According to university correspondence, at least one of those athletes, former UNC football player Michael Waddell, ignored his academic responsibilities once he was enrolled in 2003. Waddell had gained admission under an arrangement worked out by then-senior associate athletic director John Blanchard, but Waddell didn’t show for classes or tests.

When the athletics department pressed to have Waddell admitted, Thomas objected to her superiors that Waddell had not applied in time and was not academically qualified.

“They know he has not applied and would not meet the minimum requirements for admission, yet (the Exercise and Sports Science Department) is willing to accept him as a non-degree seeking, one semester only, graduate student so his football eligibility will continue, if the (graduate school) will allow it,” Thomas wrote to Linda Dykstra, the graduate school dean.

After Waddell was kicked out of grad school after receiving four Fs, Kevin Guskiewicz, a professor and director of Exercise and Sports Science’s graduate studies program, sent a letter to Blanchard saying his program had been abused.

“We were willing to accept Michael Waddell and his very marginal undergraduate GPA because we believed that helping a student, and a group of colleagues in the Athletic Department, was the right thing to do at the time,” Guskiewicz wrote. “Four months later, we now look foolish.”

The Waddell case is significant beyond the incidence of one athlete given special academic cover to stay eligible. The Guskiewicz letter and Thomas’ statements show that a senior athletics department official pushed for special deals with the academic side to keep athletes eligible. That raises fresh doubts about his claims that Blanchard was unaware of the extent of fraud in the African studies classes. And if someone at Blanchard’s level was willing to cut corners, how many other top athletic department officials and coaches were aware?

This is hardly only a case of athletics officials trying to bend the rules. Academic officials also failed to block such abuse even when alerted by the director of admissions. Now there are new questions about how far the abuses spread on the academic side and how high up there was knowledge of such abuses. It now seems a very long time ago that UNC officials were trying to say this scandal was confined to an inattentive professor and a misguided office administrator in the African studies department.

These revelations are enough, but there is also evidence of neglect, incompetence or worse when Thomas tried to bring the abuse to light. Shortly after the Wainstein report came out in October, she sent the correspondence regarding Waddell to Wainstein, the NCAA and the commission that accredits UNC. She said all acknowledged receiving the correspondence. After nearly three months of waiting for an official response, Thomas turned her material over to The News & Observer in January.

Read more here: http://www.newsobserver.com/2015/03/02/4594813_unc-scandal-raises-new-questions.html?rh=1#storylink=cpy

I bet lots of schools cheat on Grad students. The APR is to graduate College. There is no APR to graduate Grad students, so I bet most schools could give 2 sh*ts if a Grad student goes to class or not. NCAA loophole you don’t have to APR someone who already has their Bachelor’s.

You could make APR count for Grad students, but then most schools would say it’s not worth the hassle.
Or you could offer a 2nd bonus Grad school playing season, even if that puts you over 4 seasons played, as a reward for those that finish Grad school, or are on track to during the 2nd Grad school season.

Check the update at the bottom. NCAA backtracking already.

[quote=“hootie, post:681, topic:28477”][quote=“49r9r, post:679, topic:28477”][quote=“4ever niner, post:675, topic:28477”][quote=“49r9r, post:673, topic:28477”][quote=“cltniners, post:670, topic:28477”]http://www.charlotteobserver.com/news/local/education/article11829326.html

clt says the massive academic fraud was not limited to AFAM.[/quote]

To quote a UNC-chapel hill fan I know… “This stuff is not a big deal. This happens everywhere. Carolina just got caught. That’s because the NCAA is after them because they have the best athletic program in the history of the world.”
[/quote] The Waddell case was an isolated incident. There is no culture of cheating at Chapel Hill. ;D

The “happens everywhere” excuser should be asked why the Hell he bothers to pay attention to college athletics if he really believes that everyone cheats. Of course, asking a Walmart TarHole to examine his own motives might assume he has an IQ above 75, so…never mind.[/quote]

Some of their fans are also taking the smug attitude of “Yes, we are guilty, but we will never be punished”.[/quote]
Smug yes but I think they’re probably correct[/quote]

No argument from me, but if they do happen to be punished, that smugness will make the punishment even more enjoyable to watch.

[quote=“NA, post:684, topic:28477”]http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/03/03/ncaa-north-carolina-academic-fraud_n_6792374.html

Check the update at the bottom. NCAA backtracking already.[/quote] I don’t think the NCAA is responsible for keeping every institution on the rails. In the case of UNC-Cheat, however, it appears they don’t think they are responsible for correcting an institution clearly gone off the rails.

It is impossible to police every program. It is possible to encourage them to police themselves. Clearly, Chapel Hill needs some “encouragement” in that area.

Obviously unc cheat needs the death penalty but those past players suing for damages are ridiculous. They were cheating and they were fully aware if it. They were accomplices in all this. Yes the school should bear a large part of the blame but if your an adult and you know your cheating what ground do you have to stand on.

What often gets lost in the chatter is that no matter whether the fake classes were set up to primarily benefit athletes, athletic department officials were clearly involved in pushing the athletes into these classes knowing they were fake and the rest of the program did not just fail to monitor this, they had to willfully ignore it. There’s not much ambiguity in the email correspondence on this issue. The athletic department was involved in undermining the education of the athletes and should be punished for that by the NCAA for not only failing to catch the cheating, but actively promoting it and then covering it up.

This is by far the worst scandal the NCAA has ever dealt with in terms of corruption on an institutional level, given it spanned decades and involved so many people. I think they are going to try to use the proposed new rules as a way to argue that UNC-Cheat should not be punished since the rules weren’t in place yet, and hope enough people fail to notice the lack of institutional control elephant sitting in the corner. They should get the death penalty in all sports for one year, give the current athletes a free transfer out with no conditions, and require the institution to show they have better systems of monitoring in place before reinstatement, but the NCAA won’t do that to a cash cow even if it reveals just how much they lie when they claim to care one bit about academic progress of “student”-athletes. UNC-cheat should be made an example to all other schools that cheating on this level is unacceptable and will be punished, but instead they’ll probably be a shining example that cheating is great as long as you make enough money for the NCAA.

clt thinks some of you may be overstating the importance of UNC CHeat. The ncaa went after Penn State football, OHio State football, and USC football.

This is massive academic fraud over decades that allowed a school to get “student athletes” that would not qualify at honest schools. The ncaa has to act.

Daily Tarheel is now discussing the “arbitrary” 1993 date, says the Wanstein Report shows enrollments going back to 1988 (*which we all knew, but wasn’t in the public discussion), which implicates Saint Dean Smith and the 1993 NC.

http://www.dailytarheel.com/article/2015/03/reports-challenge-unc-scandals-1993-start-date

Since the release of the Wainstein report, the idea that the University’s academic improprieties began in 1993 has gone largely unquestioned.

Now, conflicting information between the Wainstein report and the University’s response to its accrediting agency has some wondering whether that date was created to protect the 1993 national championship-winning men’s basketball team.

“The 1993 date is somewhat arbitrary,” Smith said. “And you have to wonder whether that date wasn’t something given to Wainstein by Debby Crowder and Julius (Nyang’oro) themselves, perhaps as a way of protecting the ‘93 team — the ‘93 championship team.”

The comments so far are great - in case they get buried:

[url=https://disqus.com/by/dpanther/]Dpanther[/url] • [url=http://www.dailytarheel.com/article/2015/03/reports-challenge-unc-scandals-1993-start-date#comment-1886866020]an hour ago[/url] Of course the date was provided to Wainstein for a reason. Just the same as the Martin Whitewash tried to set the year at 1997. When you look at the Majors that most of that team switched fo, the motivation is obvious.

I know people will come on here and question the Daily Tar Heel for asking such pointed questions…but isn’t that what we want from our journalist? Moreover, when do you get embarrassed at the leadership and their tactics in handling this scandal? It’s bad enough to have done 8-9 “reviews”, but the fact that each one has basically shown the one before to be an attempt at cover up (remember the H&A report that tried to convince us it was only about 56 classes?).

Bottom line is that UNC has used several departments (AFAM, EXSS, PHIL, COMM, etc) over the last 20+ years to run an eligibilty scheme to keep athletes eligible. And of course this is about athletes. Their enrollment as a percentage is too high for it not to be. (less than 2% of the student body making up about half of the classes). Emails prove that all parties were aware and even tried to get in “regular” students for the sole purpose of hiding the true intent.
Punishment has to happen. Too bad it’s obviously not going to come from UNC itself. That’s what a real leader would do. ahmodkolodzan hour ago

[ul][li] Dean Smith walked on water, cured dreaded diseases, emancipated slaves, shot down 45 German Military aircraft during the war and gosh darnit, he won a LOT of basketball games. Don’t you dare try and pull him into the cheating scheme…it matters not that black and white data show it started while he was head coach. Dean is untouchable and Pope Francis is flying over from Rome this week to name him a Saint. Got our fingers in our ears, babbling incoherently and refuse to listen to such crazy talk.[/l][/l][/l][/l]

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[quote=“cltniners, post:689, topic:28477”]clt thinks some of you may be overstating the importance of UNC CHeat. The ncaa went after Penn State football, OHio State football, and USC football.

This is massive academic fraud over decades that allowed a school to get “student athletes” that would not qualify at honest schools. The ncaa has to act.[/quote]I’d probably agree with you if the NCAA hadn’t taken an indefensible pass on the scandal the first time around. There was enough information available before the Wannstein report to suggest major issues for athlete eligibility, and the NCAA did nothing at all. The excuse that there were non-athletes in the classes and therefore it wasn’t an athletic issue was laughable when they already knew that a significantly high proportion of students were athletes (i.e. it was far from a random sample of the student population) and that the fake classes were playing an important role in athletic eligibility.

I hope you’re right, allowing this kind and level of cheating to go unpunished would be ridiculous.

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Daily Tarheel is now discussing the “arbitrary” 1993 date, says the Wanstein Report shows enrollments going back to 1988 (*which we all knew, but wasn’t in the public discussion), which implicates Saint Dean Smith and the 1993 NC.

http://www.dailytarheel.com/article/2015/03/reports-challenge-unc-scandals-1993-start-date

Since the release of the Wainstein report, the idea that the University’s academic improprieties began in 1993 has gone largely unquestioned.

Now, conflicting information between the Wainstein report and the University’s response to its accrediting agency has some wondering whether that date was created to protect the 1993 national championship-winning men’s basketball team.

“The 1993 date is somewhat arbitrary,” Smith said. “And you have to wonder whether that date wasn’t something given to Wainstein by Debby Crowder and Julius (Nyang’oro) themselves, perhaps as a way of protecting the ‘93 team — the ‘93 championship team.”

The comments so far are great - in case they get buried:

[url=https://disqus.com/by/dpanther/]Dpanther[/url] • [url=http://www.dailytarheel.com/article/2015/03/reports-challenge-unc-scandals-1993-start-date#comment-1886866020]an hour ago[/url] Of course the date was provided to Wainstein for a reason. Just the same as the Martin Whitewash tried to set the year at 1997. When you look at the Majors that most of that team switched fo, the motivation is obvious.

I know people will come on here and question the Daily Tar Heel for asking such pointed questions…but isn’t that what we want from our journalist? Moreover, when do you get embarrassed at the leadership and their tactics in handling this scandal? It’s bad enough to have done 8-9 “reviews”, but the fact that each one has basically shown the one before to be an attempt at cover up (remember the H&A report that tried to convince us it was only about 56 classes?).

Bottom line is that UNC has used several departments (AFAM, EXSS, PHIL, COMM, etc) over the last 20+ years to run an eligibilty scheme to keep athletes eligible. And of course this is about athletes. Their enrollment as a percentage is too high for it not to be. (less than 2% of the student body making up about half of the classes). Emails prove that all parties were aware and even tried to get in “regular” students for the sole purpose of hiding the true intent.
Punishment has to happen. Too bad it’s obviously not going to come from UNC itself. That’s what a real leader would do. ahmodkolodzan hour ago

[ul][li] Dean Smith walked on water, cured dreaded diseases, emancipated slaves, shot down 45 German Military aircraft during the war and gosh darnit, he won a LOT of basketball games. Don’t you dare try and pull him into the cheating scheme…it matters not that black and white data show it started while he was head coach. Dean is untouchable and Pope Francis is flying over from Rome this week to name him a Saint. Got our fingers in our ears, babbling incoherently and refuse to listen to such crazy talk.[/l][/l][/l][/l][/l][/l]


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clt daps the daily tar heel. go get em[/ul]

Pat Forde: “It sure seems cheating pays”: http://sports.yahoo.com/news/when-it-comes-to-college-athletics–it-sure-seems-cheating-pays-202028701.html

It’s been going on since they started sports. Probably even before then for sons of Governer’s & Senator’s.

Yeah all the way back when they were called the WHITE PHANTOMS. (Look it up. Read into that what you want.)

clt says scandal is over, nothing to see here.

http://www.charlotteobserver.com/news/local/education/article12640997.html

Syracuse stripped of 108 Wins, Boeheim suspended 9 games - “Lack of Institutional Control”

Also lose 12 scholarships, 3 each of the next 4 seasons

"The rule's pretty clear," said Britton Banowsky, chief hearing officer for the NCAA. "The head coach has a duty to monitor activities in his program. Jim Boeheim did dispute that he should be held accountable. There was controversy over that. It (the charge) was not effectively rebutted at all."

That’s the CUSA commish firing a shot at both JB and Roy Williams. My issue is that JB got off a lot easier than Syracuse did. Makes me think maybe UNC is gonna get hammered but Roy will get a wrist slap.

http://www.foxsports.com/college-basketball/story/syracuse-jim-boeheim-suspended-scholarships-cut-by-ncaa-030615

White Phantoms? Is that some late 1700’s-early 1800’s hate group? Pre-KKK?

Penalties and measures prescribed by the panel are below:

Five years of probation from March 6, 2015 through March 5, 2020.

Vacation of all wins in which ineligible men’s basketball students played in 2004-05, 2005-06, 2006-07, 2010-11 and 2011-12 and ineligible football students played in 2004-05, 2005-06 and 2006-07. The public decision contains additional details.

Fine of $500 per contest played by ineligible students.

The school must return to the NCAA all funds it has received to date through the former Big East Conference revenue sharing for its appearances in the 2011, 2012 and 2013 NCAA Men’s Basketball Tournament.

Suspension of the head basketball coach from the first nine conference games of 2015-16.

Reduction of men’s basketball scholarships by three for the 2015-16, 2016-17, 2017-18 and 2018-19 academic years. If the school has already executed scholarship offers for the 2015-16 year, the school may begin the four-year penalty with the 2016-17 year.

Reduction in the number of permissible off-campus recruiters from four to two during June 1, 2015 through May 31, 2017.

The panel also accepted the school’s self-imposed postseason ban for the 2014-15 season, but noted that self-imposition of penalties after the conclusion of infractions hearings does not influence the outcome.

Additional self-imposed penalties can be found in the public decision.

From 2005 through 2007, a part-time tutor and three football students violated ethical conduct rules by engaging in academic misconduct. The tutor certified that the students completed the required number of hours for an internship and gave the professor information about the type of activities performed by the students when he had limited knowledge of activities completed. The students received academic credit for misrepresented work.

In January 2012, the director of basketball operations and a men’s basketball receptionist violated ethical conduct rules when working to restore the eligibility of a men’s basketball student. The two staff members completed coursework for the student after academics and athletics staff met to discuss potential options for the academically ineligible student. The improper academic assistance occurred in 2012 when the school was under investigation for other potential violations and after the NCAA denied an eligibility wavier for the student.

In its decision, the committee specifically addressed its concern about academic integrity.
“Improper institutional involvement and influence in a student’s academic work in order to gain or maintain eligibility is a violation of NCAA rules and a violation of the most fundamental core values of the NCAA and higher education,” the committee wrote. “The behavior in this case, which placed the desire to achieve success on the basketball court over academic integrity, demonstrated clearly misplaced institutional priorities.”

From 2010 through 2012, a support services mentor, who would later become the receptionist involved in the 2012 academic misconduct, and a support services tutor provided impermissible academic assistance to three men’s basketball students. The mentor and tutor made revisions, created or wrote assignments for the basketball students. Although the school determined academic misconduct did not occur, the panel noted revising or writing academic coursework for students was not a part of, or the intent of, the student-athlete support services provided by the school and exceeded the type of support generally available through the program. In January, the Division I Legislative Council determined that schools have the authority to determine whether academic misconduct occurred, however, traditional extra benefit rules still apply.