clt provides more UNC CHeat scandal.

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[quote=“earlyniner, post:740, topic:28477”][quote=“Niner_Alum_2000, post:739, topic:28477”][quote=“9erken, post:738, topic:28477”][quote=“woodniner, post:734, topic:28477”]How is this different than what Syracuse just got in trouble? I guess I do not understand the difference except that this is probably the biggest case of players playing that were not eligible in the history of the NCAA.[/quote] Did Syracuse offer fake classes with the primary purpose of keeping athletes eligible for decades without monitoring close enough to catch it? Syracuse had some serious academic transgressions, but I think this pales in comparison to what UNCheat was doing. There were athletic department members directly involved in putting athletes into these classes, with the knowledge that the classes weren’t real. This is far and away the worst academic/athletic scandal that has ever happened at an NCAA institution. Other past scandals had issues with boosters and money, but never this level of malfeasance related to academic integrity.

If the NCAA doesn’t come down hard, then every athlete who is ever denied eligibility due to academic issues should immediately sue the NCAA for tons of money. They probably should do that anyway given how pathetic their investigation into this scandal has been so far. I don’t have a lot of faith that the NCAA will give an appropriate punishment, but they should get the death penalty for at least a year, if not longer, in addition to scholarship reductions in both football and basketball (and maybe some of the other sports too) for a long enough period to make everyone else think twice about trying to pull this off again.[/quote]

That was also going on with the free rental car and cell phone that were given to players at UNC CHeat.[/quote]

was car rental more than one incident?[/quote]

Multiple parking violations by a couple of vehicles. My bet is that multiple players had this car or others, but how would you know unless someone gets busted with it.

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[quote=“Niner_Alum_2000, post:739, topic:28477”][quote=“9erken, post:738, topic:28477”][quote=“woodniner, post:734, topic:28477”]How is this different than what Syracuse just got in trouble? I guess I do not understand the difference except that this is probably the biggest case of players playing that were not eligible in the history of the NCAA.[/quote] Did Syracuse offer fake classes with the primary purpose of keeping athletes eligible for decades without monitoring close enough to catch it? Syracuse had some serious academic transgressions, but I think this pales in comparison to what UNCheat was doing. There were athletic department members directly involved in putting athletes into these classes, with the knowledge that the classes weren’t real. This is far and away the worst academic/athletic scandal that has ever happened at an NCAA institution. Other past scandals had issues with boosters and money, but never this level of malfeasance related to academic integrity.

If the NCAA doesn’t come down hard, then every athlete who is ever denied eligibility due to academic issues should immediately sue the NCAA for tons of money. They probably should do that anyway given how pathetic their investigation into this scandal has been so far. I don’t have a lot of faith that the NCAA will give an appropriate punishment, but they should get the death penalty for at least a year, if not longer, in addition to scholarship reductions in both football and basketball (and maybe some of the other sports too) for a long enough period to make everyone else think twice about trying to pull this off again.[/quote]

That was also going on with the free rental car and cell phone that were given to players at UNC CHeat.[/quote] Good point. Of course, the NCAA ignored that last go around too. I wonder if they’ll include it when and if they decide to punish UNCheat.

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Pridefulness always preceeds the Great Fall…

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clt says UNCC Chapel hill seems to have a problem doing things the right way.

They need a motto, or something.

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Great statement from Cookie Newsom (former Director of Diversity Education & Assessment at UNC): Regarding the “Carolina Way”….

“I have a whole other concept of the Carolina Way. The Carolina Way is secretive, nontransparent, [and]… amazingly unethical. That is the Carolina Way. Keep your mouth shut, do what we expect to be done, which is the same old, same old, and don’t make anybody mad who could possibly be important. If you do something at Carolina, you’re going to get in trouble. If you do nothing, you’ll be fine… The culture at Carolina is: keep your mouth shut.”

It’s from page 204 of “Cheated”. The reference says “interview with Cookie Newsom, July 15, 2013”.

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Slow going as far as news.

Someone said CHeat AD Bubba Cunningham was seen on a flight to Indy (NCAA HQ) yesterday…

60 Minutes has had a copy of “Cheated” since it was released.

This was an interesting tweet: https://mobile.twitter.com/johncanzanobft/status/588091113786970112

“I don’t think (the NCAA) can hide North Carolina anymore... for 20 years that these kids weren’t going to school.”

Along those lines is this story:

The Atlanta Public School System has had about 12 administrators, teachers and principals sentenced to jail time for changing answers on standardized tests (changing grades). One was sentenced to 20 years with seven to serve. Folks at UNCheaters need to pay attention. The judge was mad about passing along students and then later in life he has to sentence them to prison time partially because they cannot read or write.(UNCheaters have some in this condition).

The video clips are also on CNN - Adminstrators get jail time, and they are brutal. If you are one of the unc cheat apologists and you get a whiff of this, you are going to start chugging Maalox.

(CNN)There was nothing routine about a sentencing hearing Tuesday in Atlanta that wrote the final legal chapter of one of the most massive school cheating scandals in the country.

Educators were convicted April 1 of racketeering and other lesser crimes related to inflating test scores of children from struggling schools.

“Everybody starts crying about these educators. This was not a victimless crime that occurred in this city!” Baxter said.

‘Search your soul’
“Everybody knew cheating was going on and your client promoted it,” Baxter said to an attorney representing Atlanta Public Schools educator Sharon Davis-Williams, who Baxter sentenced to seven years in prison.

Davis-Williams was ordered to perform 2,000 hours of community service and pay a $25,000 fine.

Repeatedly, Baxter appeared frustrated when more educators did not simply accept the deal and plainly vocalize their guilt.

“These stories are incredible. These kids can’t read,” he said.

“This is the time to search your soul,” Baxter said. “It’s just taking responsibility. … No one has taken responsibility that I can see.”

In 2013, a Fulton County grand jury indicted 35 educators from the Atlanta Public Schools district, and more than 20 took a plea deal. Among them were teachers, principals and testing coordinators.

The cheating is believed to date back to 2001, when scores on statewide aptitude tests improved greatly, according to a 2013 indictment. The indictment also states that for at least four years, between 2005 and 2009, test answers were altered, fabricated or falsely certified.

A review that former Gov. Sonny Perdue ordered, determined that some cheating had occurred in more than half the district’s elementary and middle schools.

Michael Bowers, a former Georgia attorney general who investigated the cheating scandal, said in 2013 that there were “cheating parties,” erasures in and out of classrooms, and teachers were told to make changes to student answers on tests.

“Anything that you can imagine that could involve cheating – it was done,” he said at the time.

During his investigation, he heard that educators cheated out of pride, to earn bonuses, to enhance their careers or to keep their jobs, he said.

This is NOT good news for them. At all.

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[quote=“Chip Diller, post:747, topic:28477”]Slow going as far as news.

Someone said CHeat AD Bubba Cunningham was seen on a flight to Indy (NCAA HQ) yesterday…

60 Minutes has had a copy of “Cheated” since it was released.

This was an interesting tweet: https://mobile.twitter.com/johncanzanobft/status/588091113786970112

“I don’t think (the NCAA) can hide North Carolina anymore... for 20 years that these kids weren’t going to school.”

Along those lines is this story:

The Atlanta Public School System has had about 12 administrators, teachers and principals sentenced to jail time for changing answers on standardized tests (changing grades). One was sentenced to 20 years with seven to serve. Folks at UNCheaters need to pay attention. The judge was mad about passing along students and then later in life he has to sentence them to prison time partially because they cannot read or write.(UNCheaters have some in this condition).

http://patch.com/georgia/buckhead/atlanta-public-schools-educators-sentenced-0

The video clips are also on CNN - Adminstrators get jail time, and they are brutal. If you are one of the unc cheat apologists and you get a whiff of this, you are going to start chugging Maalox.

(CNN)There was nothing routine about a sentencing hearing Tuesday in Atlanta that wrote the final legal chapter of one of the most massive school cheating scandals in the country.

Educators were convicted April 1 of racketeering and other lesser crimes related to inflating test scores of children from struggling schools.

“Everybody starts crying about these educators. This was not a victimless crime that occurred in this city!” Baxter said.

‘Search your soul’
“Everybody knew cheating was going on and your client promoted it,” Baxter said to an attorney representing Atlanta Public Schools educator Sharon Davis-Williams, who Baxter sentenced to seven years in prison.

Davis-Williams was ordered to perform 2,000 hours of community service and pay a $25,000 fine.

Repeatedly, Baxter appeared frustrated when more educators did not simply accept the deal and plainly vocalize their guilt.

“These stories are incredible. These kids can’t read,” he said.

“This is the time to search your soul,” Baxter said. “It’s just taking responsibility. … No one has taken responsibility that I can see.”

In 2013, a Fulton County grand jury indicted 35 educators from the Atlanta Public Schools district, and more than 20 took a plea deal. Among them were teachers, principals and testing coordinators.

The cheating is believed to date back to 2001, when scores on statewide aptitude tests improved greatly, according to a 2013 indictment. The indictment also states that for at least four years, between 2005 and 2009, test answers were altered, fabricated or falsely certified.

A review that former Gov. Sonny Perdue ordered, determined that some cheating had occurred in more than half the district’s elementary and middle schools.

Michael Bowers, a former Georgia attorney general who investigated the cheating scandal, said in 2013 that there were “cheating parties,” erasures in and out of classrooms, and teachers were told to make changes to student answers on tests.

“Anything that you can imagine that could involve cheating – it was done,” he said at the time.

During his investigation, he heard that educators cheated out of pride, to earn bonuses, to enhance their careers or to keep their jobs, he said.

This is NOT good news for them. At all.[/quote]

clt says good ol skipper at espn cannot protect them anymore.

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http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball/writer/jon-solomon/25152596/JonSolomonCBS

[size=14pt][b]Big Ten: NCAA sports is 'house of cards' if education can't be defended[/b][/size]

In acknowledging that freshman ineligibiliity may not be the answer, the conference created a forum for a “national discussion” that addresses the criticism that too few athletes in major college football and basketball are being properly educated. The paper states college sports is at a “critical moment” due to media scrutiny, Congressional scrutiny, litigation and unionization efforts that portray the NCAA’s stated educational mission is a facade. The NCAA recently got sued over the North Carolina academic scandal.

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I’m now at the point that new evidence is not a big deal. I’m more interested in if/when the NCAA will finally do something about this. Public outcry from the general public or demand from the media may be what it finally takes to force the NCAA into taking action.

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I think Atlanta Public Schools is worse. These kids can’t read. Not to defend UNC-Cheat, but these are grown ups who agreed to go along with everything. They aren’t little kids with no choice. They aren’t little kids who can’t read. There will be no criminal charges, and I doubt the NCAA does anything. The NCAA doesn’t care about fans & media.

Haha, Gassman thinks the NBA is fair. I guess that’s why Nader did a lawsuit after the Kings lost to LA years ago in a 7 game series, and Game 7 had highly suspicious calls to get LA to OT. And the NFL never does anything with New England. After NE cheated in the AFC Championship Game with no penalties, they put in a player who should be sitting out per concussion rules to win the Super Bowl. No investigation.

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NCAA finally on the move?

http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=12736816. @1:50 mark.

There’s also a 7 page thread on the Inside Carolina Premium board -

http://northcarolina.scout.com/forums/1411-basketball-premium/13814941-ncaa?s=78

That thread took off yesterday and already has 251 replies (and counting).

Also one on the premium football board called “NCAA and the basketball team” -

http://northcarolina.scout.com/forums/1409-tar-pit-premium/13814949-ncaa-and-the-basketball-team?s=78

Something is up. Its a damn good thing the hometown paper is already all over this latest development in the scandal that affects their biggest readership…

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[quote=“NinerAdvocate, post:752, topic:28477”]NCAA finally on the move?

http://collegespun.com/acc/north-carolina/uncommitted-5-star-sf-brandon-ingram-says-that-unc-told-him-that-they-received-ncaa-allegations-on-april-17

http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=12736816. @1:50 mark.

There’s akso a 7 page thread on the Inside Carolina Premium board -

http://northcarolina.scout.com/forums/1411-basketball-premium/13814941-ncaa?s=78

That thread took off yesterday and already has 251 replies (and counting).

Also one on the premium football board called “NCAA and the basketball team” -

http://northcarolina.scout.com/forums/1409-tar-pit-premium/13814949-ncaa-and-the-basketball-team?s=78

Something is up. Its a damn good thing the hometown paper us already all over this latest development in the scandal that affects their biggest readership…[/quote]

clt predicts good ol Roy has coached his last game at uncccc chapel hil.

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CLT, you act like you think anyone at UNC-CH cares. No one is firing Roy. He could rape a goat while blowing a bull, driving drunk, over little kids, & he’s not getting fired.

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I think you are way off. Many people at UNC-Ch do care. They are the academics. Many alums also care. The people that dont care are the athletic folks adn people that didn’t actually go there. Keep in mind when push comes to shove the academics always win when things get real. Accreditation being called into question is a pretty major blow for the academics and if they put pressure on the AD for sweeping changes it wouldn’t surprise me. In addition to that the NCAA is at a cross roads of it’s life. If it does nothing they have basically signed their own death warrant as their word and rules mean absolutely nothing. If they want to stay relevant they have to bring the hammer. It is too open and too public to sweep under the rug and schools around the nation are watching. Spease told me at a football game word around ADs is that they are going to get something significant because if not then they provide a blue print to every school how to game the system.

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[quote=“stonecoldken, post:754, topic:28477”]CLT, you act like you think anyone at UNC-CH cares. No one is firing Roy. He could rape a goat while blowing a bull, driving drunk, over little kids, & he’s not getting fired.[/quote] If they get significant sanctions, he may decide to retire early. Roy doesn’t seem the type to cope with difficulty.
He will. of course, blame the world on his way out.

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So if Roy does have to retire or get fired, will he say it’s a bigger tragedy than a hurricane in Haiti? :stuck_out_tongue:

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[quote=“stonecoldken, post:757, topic:28477”]So if Roy does have to retire or get fired, will he say it’s a bigger tragedy than a hurricane in Haiti? :p[/quote] No, but he will come up with some stupid parting shot. The guy is psycho.

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clt says good ol Roy will likely be canned.

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clt says that years of massive academic fraud is hurting good ol roy’s recruiting: http://www.charlotteobserver.com/sports/college/mens-basketball/article19768254.html

poor guy.