yup, avg NCAA tourny coach made 800k 2 yrs ago[/quote]And thatās possibly watered down a bit due to one-bid conferences. I wonder what the average salary for teams receiving at-large bids was.[/quote]
I think the median salary would be the best way to evaluate this.[/quote]Take your measures of central tendency and shove them.[/quote]
Iām not in the mode to put up with you right nowā¦
yup, avg NCAA tourny coach made 800k 2 yrs ago[/quote]Comparing Bobby to an average NCAA Tourney coach is like comparing Judy to Marilyn Monroe.
yup, avg NCAA tourny coach made 800k 2 yrs ago[/quote]And thatās possibly watered down a bit due to one-bid conferences. I wonder what the average salary for teams receiving at-large bids was.[/quote]
I think the median salary would be the best way to evaluate this.[/quote]
Mode!
yup, avg NCAA tourny coach made 800k 2 yrs ago[/quote]And thatās possibly watered down a bit due to one-bid conferences. I wonder what the average salary for teams receiving at-large bids was.[/quote]
I think the median salary would be the best way to evaluate this.[/quote]Take your measures of central tendency and shove them.[/quote]
Iām not in the mode to put up with you right nowā¦[/quote]
That was meanā¦
[quote=ā9erken, post:20, topic:22735ā][quote=āNoreaster, post:18, topic:22735ā]Actually, if you want to look at actual population of the actual city that the school is in, only LA, Columbus, and Austin have larger populations than Charlotte. Many are close, and certainly many are very large cities, or in suburbs or large cities, but only USC, UCLA, Ohio State, and the University of Texas are in larger cities.
31 of the 66 BCS schools are in cities with populations under 100,000, and 10 (+/-) have populations under 50,000.[/quote] Left out New York City (St. Johns). It looks like Louisville is bigger too city-only, but metro probably smaller.
Youāre right though, metropolitan areas would be more accurate to say āmanyā are larger than Charlotte (Chicago, Boston, Seattle, Miami, Atlanta, DC, Milwaukee, Austin (surprisingly to me), Pittsburgh, Philadelphia, NYC, and Phoenix(Tempe) fall in this category). Still, based on what you say, more than half are in cities over 100,000, and 5/6 of them are cities over 50,000.[/quote]
Got me on NYā¦ Louisville is only 270k, though. I also was surprised by Austin, but it is a capital city. Charlotte as a metro area is somewhere between 1.3m and 2.1m, depending on the statistical definition of āmetropolitan areaā you want to use. We will find out for sure next year, I suppose.
I get it. you donāt like Lutz. The point has been made. How 'bout not making 9 topics and flooding the chatbox with this info?
This board has blown goat since Tuesday. Your point have been made. Take it up with the administration, but stop strangling the board.
I donāt care if we are paying him $10k per year or $1M per yearā¦ he isnāt getting the job done. Extending his contract after a 20 loss season was and epic fail by Judy.
I know everyone keeps saying we canāt afford to fire Lutzā¦ I understand that. If we donāt have the money to buy him out, we donāt have it.
Butā¦ can we afford to keep him? Basketball is our bread and butter sport right now. No NCAA appearances in the last 5 years costs us moneyā¦ there is a nice payout for playing NCAA games. Fan support is dwindling quickly in a time when we really need to be growing it leading up to the start of a football program. An NCAA appearance this year might have led to a nice boost in FSL salesā¦ especially since we have a fairly high contingent of fair weather fans. How long is this going to continue before we make a change?
Now Max Power got the reason for my post! Bobby signed our contract to lead our team for the money offered by the University. If he didnāt like our offer then go to South Alabama or wherever. The number of bonus options in his contract would allow him to make much more money than the base amount. The problem is ā¦ heās failing on nearly everyone of the the triggers. If he makes the bonus triggers and had a great NCAA year, then we give him a raise with higher goals and richer triggers. I think the contract was a good one for Bobby, but unfortanately for him and our school he is still failing. If you are giving any money what so ever to the foundation (I have been a season ticket holder since 1978, Green Jacket or above) you have the right to complain to Judy and the administration that with football on the way we are going to be in more debt than the federal government with football on the way if we donāt get a guy who can lead us in basketball with consistancy and excellence. I have seen most home basketball games since I was a student (Bill Foster was the coach), went to Final Four in Atlanta with Lee Rose and everything since and I am now feeling a little like I did toward the end with Wissel! Give your money and your time to your school to support our teams. When you do that you have every right in the world to say as much as you want to the Administration and Judy for change! Not only on this board, but with a letter, email or by appointment! :-X
[quote=āMax Power, post:27, topic:22735ā]I donāt care if we are paying him $10k per year or $1M per yearā¦ he isnāt getting the job done. Extending his contract after a 20 loss season was and epic fail by Judy.
I know everyone keeps saying we canāt afford to fire Lutzā¦ I understand that. If we donāt have the money to buy him out, we donāt have it.
Butā¦ can we afford to keep him? Basketball is our bread and butter sport right now. No NCAA appearances in the last 5 years costs us moneyā¦ there is a nice payout for playing NCAA games. Fan support is dwindling quickly in a time when we really need to be growing it leading up to the start of a football program. An NCAA appearance this year might have led to a nice boost in FSL salesā¦ especially since we have a fairly high contingent of fair weather fans. How long is this going to continue before we make a change?[/quote]
QFT
Also quite a few coaches who have worse contracts who have performed better.[/quote]
No that many (maybe over 1-2 years) over a decade or more. Please provide names if you disagree.
[quote=āMax Power, post:27, topic:22735ā]I donāt care if we are paying him $10k per year or $1M per yearā¦ he isnāt getting the job done. Extending his contract after a 20 loss season was and epic fail by Judy.
I know everyone keeps saying we canāt afford to fire Lutzā¦ I understand that. If we donāt have the money to buy him out, we donāt have it.
Butā¦ can we afford to keep him? Basketball is our bread and butter sport right now. No NCAA appearances in the last 5 years costs us moneyā¦ there is a nice payout for playing NCAA games. Fan support is dwindling quickly in a time when we really need to be growing it leading up to the start of a football program. An NCAA appearance this year might have led to a nice boost in FSL salesā¦ especially since we have a fairly high contingent of fair weather fans. How long is this going to continue before we make a change?[/quote]
All of this
Guys, For the record, 49er 1975 is the first and only name I have ever used on this site. I have watched it on and off for several years as a guest. I am not part of the adminstration or have any connections with the University other than to support the Athletic and Alumni associations programs for many years. I graduated undergraduate from Charlotte in 1975. I only posted my view in hopes that 49er fans will speak to our Adminstration about the state of our basketball program and our future. I donāt have time to do this often. I do support the baseball, golf and soccer programs by attending games. If you want to voice your opinions to the people who can really effect change in the programs, go to these games and talk to the Athletic Foundation board members or even Judy. I have been sitting on my hands for way too long and plan to contact these folks direct with my opinion as well.
[quote=āTintin, post:26, topic:22735ā]I get it. you donāt like Lutz. The point has been made. How 'bout not making 9 topics and flooding the chatbox with this info?
This board has blown goat since Tuesday. Your point have been made. Take it up with the administration, but stop strangling the board.[/quote]
See this post is exactly the problem.
Who cares if anyone likes Lutz or not, I have no problem with him personally.
What I do have a problem with is the state of our program and he is the Head Coach, so the responsibility falls on him.
It is like the only way to discount how bad the program has become is to say people hate Lutz. No one hates Lutz, they hate losing.
[quote=āmetro, post:13, topic:22735ā][quote=ā9erken, post:11, topic:22735ā][quote=āmetro, post:10, topic:22735ā][quote=āeason49, post:6, topic:22735ā]It may not be the best contract, but it certainly isnāt bad. Charlotte has a pretty low cost of living.
Also, heās accomplished nothing worthwhile in 5 years, soā¦[/quote]
low cost of living? compared to where? Most BCS schools are in 50,000 population towns[/quote] āMostā? Thatās not true. Most might be in smaller cities than Charlotte, but not that much smaller.[/quote]
Athens
Columbia
Clemson
Blacksburg
Charlottesville
Knoxville
Huntington WV
Penn St
Gainsville
Tallahasse
K state
KU
Ark
Alabama
Auburn
Mizzou
etc etc etc
come onā¦this is too easyā¦of course most BCS schools are in small towns- college towns
you canāt make the argument Bobbyās salary is a good deal for him because of ācost of living in CLTāā¦its certainly cheaper here than NYC, DC, and LA[/quote]
Compare Harrisburg, NC to all those places, and I bet everyone of them are cheaper than Harrisburg. Hell, itās cheaper to live in Philly than live in Harrisburg.
49er 1975 as a Green Jacket, you hold pull with the AD Office.
Iām in the 49er Club because Iām poor. Iām pretty sure anything I say, positive or negative, goes in 1 ear, & out the other.
[quote=āmetro, post:13, topic:22735ā]Athens
Columbia
Clemson
Blacksburg
Charlottesville
Knoxville
Huntington WV???
Penn St - State College, PA
Gainesville
Tallahasse
K state - Manhattan
KU - Lawrence
Ark - Fayetteville
Alabama - Tuscaloosa
Auburn
Mizzou - Columbia
etc etc etc
come onā¦this is too easyā¦of course most BCS schools are in small towns- college towns
you canāt make the argument Bobbyās salary is a good deal for him because of ācost of living in CLTāā¦its certainly cheaper here than NYC, DC, and LA[/quote]
I see your point, but isnāt it worth a bit of research?
People are conflating cost of living with size, which isnāt true. The highest cost of living in NC is Chapel Hill, which is of course a small town. Small college towns generally have extremely high property values/housing costs. DC has the second highest cost of living in the country, but is not even one of the ten largest cities. According to Forbes Magazineās cost of living index, in which the national average is 100, Charlotte is a 94, meaning below average cost of living, though it is of course an above average size for a city.
Chapel Hill is part of a the Ral Dur metro. 1.7m
sorry, but cost of living has nothing to do with NCAA mens hoops contractsā¦
I just want to win. 5 years with no NCAAs and scant change is a very bad thing.
Just looking at the ACC, here are locales, populations (city/metro), etc.:
Boston College - Boston, MA: 621,000/4.5 mil
Clemson - Clemson, SC: 12,000/1.2 mil (Greenville/Spartanburg/Anderson)
Duke - Durham, NC: 223,000/1.7 mil (Raleigh/Durham/Cary)
Florida State - Tallahassee, FL: 172,000/360,000
Georgia Tech - Atlanta, GA: 538,000/5.4 mil
Maryland - College Park, MD: 25,000/8.2 mil (Baltimore/Washington, DC)
Miami - Coral Gables, FL: 43,000/5.4 mil (Miami)
UNC-CH - Chapel Hill, NC: 55,000/1.7 mil
NCSU - Raleigh, NC: 393,000/1.7 mil
UVa - Charlottesville, VA: 45,000/190,000
VT - Blacksburg, VA: 42,000/158,000 [nearby Roanoke pop. = 296,000]
Wake - Winston-Salem, NC: 228,000/1.6 mil (Greensboro/High Point/W-S)