Getting back on topic⌠In Lambertâs defense, he has hit the max recruiting potential without the support of the Prez or AD.
Top 2 things needed and should be done immediately.
If you build it, they will come.
[quote=âhateappstate, post:481, topic:31078â]Getting back on topic⌠In Lambertâs defense, he has hit the max recruiting potential without the support of the Prez or AD.
Top 2 things needed and should be done immediately.
If you build it, they will come.[/quote]
His teams would still commit the dumbest penalties possible even if they played in the nicest stadium in the world. He canât develop the guys he does recruit.
[quote=âhateappstate, post:481, topic:31078â]Getting back on topic⌠In Lambertâs defense, he has hit the max recruiting potential without the support of the Prez or AD.
Top 2 things needed and should be done immediately.
If you build it, they will come.[/quote]
Some local high schools will not send kids here. His shit recruiting is his own doing.
[quote=âhateappstate, post:481, topic:31078â]Getting back on topic⌠In Lambertâs defense, he has hit the max recruiting potential without the support of the Prez or AD.
Top 2 things needed and should be done immediately.
If you build it, they will come.[/quote]
We dont need an indoor facility. The Panthers donât even have one. So many other things to do before that.
Uh-oh, NLP done laid out the LAW!
Yâall in trouble now! :-* 
:o ;D
While I donât agree, I can see Duboisâ point to Collie on paragraphs 1-2. Paragraph 3, CHP was way out of line. Itâs like your Minister saying donât make a suggestion at church because you donât give enough.
Mr. Collie, I donât want to argue with you, but I do think itâs out of line to tell recruits to go elsewhere. And Unc & State might have held us down in late 90âs to early 00âs. Now they think weâre a joke.
CHP essentially said, âF U. Your opinion and email isnât even worthy of a response but I canât pass the opportunity to dig on your history of giving. You prob donât make much and donate peanuts so crawl back into your hole. In closing, you just got Manzieled.â
Is CHP the person ultimately responsible for Judy? If so, I think more anger should def go to CHP and his boss/board for not keeping his AD accountable for results and pissing away money.
[quote=âcibik02, post:486, topic:31078â]CHP essentially said, âF U. Your opinion and email isnât even worthy of a response but I canât pass the opportunity to dig on your history of giving. You prob donât make much and donate peanuts so crawl back into your hole. In closing, you just got Manzieled.â
Is CHP the person ultimately responsible for Judy? If so, I think more anger should def go to CHP and his boss/board for not keeping his AD accountable for results and pissing away money.[/quote]
True he Manzielâd me, but I make more than Judy Rose today. He could use a piece? Iâd say myself an my 4 best UNCC baseball friends gross right at $2 mil a year combined, one doing a million a year? UNCC gets nada from us, and wonât til its made right. I know several baseball guys killing it financially 500K incomes giving nothing. Lesson 1 of revenue streams, donât burn potential clients, especially ones who might spread the word. Bigger lesson, is our stadiums are emptyâŚHe needs all the $1000 alum he can muster at the moment (when I wrote this for Lutz)âŚjust my sober analysis
[quote=âpunchdrunk, post:452, topic:31078â]Just remember folks what Choo Choo Dubois thinks of modest season ticket holders:
Dear Mr. Collie:
I appreciate your advice. I also remember your sharing just about a year ago a strongly worded (and, in my view, inaccurate) characterization of my actions relative to the football issue and of the performance of Judy Rose. So, with that base of experience, Iâm less inclined to pay too much attention to your opinion today. With that said, I agree with all of the things you say about the team today compared to last year.
Iâve never believed that we could leave the hiring or firing of coaches (or anyone else) to fans, donors, alumni, or students. They see the public face of the program (as you have described); they are simply not close enough to the real situation to be able to make considered judgments about the content or length of contractual obligations. Nevertheless, their opinions do matter because we need their support to be able to put together the kind of financial packages that make it possible to recruitâand then retainâgood coaches. Season ticket sales are 500 below what they were just five years ago. If people want us to stand behind this coach or that coach, then we need their help.
And so, with that said, I hope youâll consider more significant and consistent financial support. Your lifetime giving to Athletics is modest for someone who has been out of school for 12 years and you have purchased season tickets, in fact, only three of the last six years. So, if you want to put your money where your mouth is, there is ample opportunity.
Best,
Phil[/quote]
Two things:
[quote=âpunchdrunk, post:487, topic:31078â][quote=âcibik02, post:486, topic:31078â]CHP essentially said, âF U. Your opinion and email isnât even worthy of a response but I canât pass the opportunity to dig on your history of giving. You prob donât make much and donate peanuts so crawl back into your hole. In closing, you just got Manzieled.â
Is CHP the person ultimately responsible for Judy? If so, I think more anger should def go to CHP and his boss/board for not keeping his AD accountable for results and pissing away money.[/quote]
True he Manzielâd me, but I make more than Judy Rose today. He could use a piece? Iâd say myself an my 4 best UNCC baseball friends gross right at $2 mil a year combined, one doing a million a year? UNCC gets nada from us, and wonât til its made right. I know several baseball guys killing it financially 500K incomes giving nothing. Lesson 1 of revenue streams, donât burn potential clients, especially ones who might spread the word. Bigger lesson, is our stadiums are emptyâŚHe needs all the $1000 alum he can muster at the moment (when I wrote this for Lutz)âŚjust my sober analysis[/quote]
I agree he was wrong. Was just sayin he doesnât give a F. He has to be in FU mode this late in his career.
The salary talk is back!
Hell ya I did and itâs a huge problem. 20 years ago we could pull 9000 people into the old coliseum. Then uncc had 40,000 alum with an avg age of 30 making 50k at best? Now uncc has 125,000 alum avg age 45 making 100k? We penetrate our available market a fraction what we did 2 decades ago. We miss out on truck loads of cash in the uncc pool of $$
Or you could milk $800 from kids and be lazy
Hell ya I did and itâs a huge problem. 20 years ago we could pull 9000 people into the old coliseum. Then uncc had 40,000 alum with an avg age of 30 making 50k at best? Now uncc has 125,000 alum avg age 45 making 100k? We penetrate our available market a fraction what we did 2 decades ago. We miss out on truck loads of cash in the uncc pool of $$
Or you could milk $800 from kids and be lazy[/quote]
This is the absolute truth, like it or not. The failure to capitalize on maturity of the fan-base in both size and wealth has been the biggest shortcoming. Its a chicken and egg argument though. Judy and the leadership needed to have a product people wanted to support. Lousy leagues, lousy records arenât a ticket to success. They failed miserably, and alienated people in the processâŚ
Hell ya I did and itâs a huge problem. 20 years ago we could pull 9000 people into the old coliseum. Then uncc had 40,000 alum with an avg age of 30 making 50k at best? Now uncc has 125,000 alum avg age 45 making 100k? We penetrate our available market a fraction what we did 2 decades ago. We miss out on truck loads of cash in the uncc pool of $$
Or you could milk $800 from kids and be lazy[/quote]
This is the absolute truth, like it or not. The failure to capitalize on maturity of the fan-base in both size and wealth has been the biggest shortcoming. Its a chicken and egg argument though. Judy and the leadership needed to have a product people wanted to support. Lousy leagues, lousy records arenât a ticket to success. They failed miserably, and alienated people in the processâŚ[/quote]
The people giving that money would want results though, the whales just want Mayberry here.
[quote=ârtown49er, post:488, topic:31078â][quote=âpunchdrunk, post:452, topic:31078â]Just remember folks what Choo Choo Dubois thinks of modest season ticket holders:
Dear Mr. Collie:
I appreciate your advice. I also remember your sharing just about a year ago a strongly worded (and, in my view, inaccurate) characterization of my actions relative to the football issue and of the performance of Judy Rose. So, with that base of experience, Iâm less inclined to pay too much attention to your opinion today. With that said, I agree with all of the things you say about the team today compared to last year.
Iâve never believed that we could leave the hiring or firing of coaches (or anyone else) to fans, donors, alumni, or students. They see the public face of the program (as you have described); they are simply not close enough to the real situation to be able to make considered judgments about the content or length of contractual obligations. Nevertheless, their opinions do matter because we need their support to be able to put together the kind of financial packages that make it possible to recruitâand then retainâgood coaches. Season ticket sales are 500 below what they were just five years ago. If people want us to stand behind this coach or that coach, then we need their help.
And so, with that said, I hope youâll consider more significant and consistent financial support. Your lifetime giving to Athletics is modest for someone who has been out of school for 12 years and you have purchased season tickets, in fact, only three of the last six years. So, if you want to put your money where your mouth is, there is ample opportunity.
Best,
Phil[/quote]
Two things:
I am more supportive of the current football coach than I am of Judy and Phil. Firing Lambert and hiring a new coach is like putting a band aid on an athletic department that is hemorrhaging blood.
[quote=âMr. Bojangles, post:494, topic:31078â][quote=ârtown49er, post:488, topic:31078â][quote=âpunchdrunk, post:452, topic:31078â]Just remember folks what Choo Choo Dubois thinks of modest season ticket holders:
Dear Mr. Collie:
I appreciate your advice. I also remember your sharing just about a year ago a strongly worded (and, in my view, inaccurate) characterization of my actions relative to the football issue and of the performance of Judy Rose. So, with that base of experience, Iâm less inclined to pay too much attention to your opinion today. With that said, I agree with all of the things you say about the team today compared to last year.
Iâve never believed that we could leave the hiring or firing of coaches (or anyone else) to fans, donors, alumni, or students. They see the public face of the program (as you have described); they are simply not close enough to the real situation to be able to make considered judgments about the content or length of contractual obligations. Nevertheless, their opinions do matter because we need their support to be able to put together the kind of financial packages that make it possible to recruitâand then retainâgood coaches. Season ticket sales are 500 below what they were just five years ago. If people want us to stand behind this coach or that coach, then we need their help.
And so, with that said, I hope youâll consider more significant and consistent financial support. Your lifetime giving to Athletics is modest for someone who has been out of school for 12 years and you have purchased season tickets, in fact, only three of the last six years. So, if you want to put your money where your mouth is, there is ample opportunity.
Best,
Phil[/quote]
Two things:
I am more supportive of the current football coach than I am of Judy and Phil. Firing Lambert and hiring a new coach is like putting a band aid on an athletic department that is hemorrhaging blood.[/quote]
Kind of. A new coach would generate a little excitement and buy us some time until Judy retires.
This coaching staff might go 2-10 next season but the Rich would be emptier than it is now. Lambert plays a boring style of football that isnât successful.
Iâd rather us go back to losing 47-41, 48-40 and 63-56 like in 2014 than knowing we have to be lucky to score a touchdown and canât kick FGâs at all.
this is gold 6 and a half years later
[quote=âExpectations Manager, post:496, topic:31078â]this is gold 6 and a half years later
Disgusting to see âoh my goshâ. Jesus
âWe had our list of what we were looking for and âwow factorâ was on there,â Rose said. âBut see, I think we got wow factor. Is it wow factor compared to Bill Curry or Coker, older guys who have been there and done that and come back? In a lot of peopleâs minds maybe no. But a wow factor in what heâs accomplished.â
[quote=âExpectations Manager, post:496, topic:31078â]this is gold 6 and a half years later
It is apparent Judy just makes impulsive decisions based on her gut feeling at the moment. Logic and reason donât become a factor.
a guy she had never heard of had âwowâ factor.