How to Win With Our Guys

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#1

Since some have been questioning whether or not we can win with the guys that we haveā€¦Iā€™ve decided to start a thread where we can all post our opinions about how we should run the offense.

Effective plays/sets/ideas that we ran yesterday:

High/Low. Chris Nance high and Withers Low. It works because Nance can hit the 15 footer if given space and Curt needs to get the ball in low. I also saw Dumptruck feed Curt an entry pass early last night that let to an easy putback. On other occasions depending on Matchup Curt could go high and possibly shoot the 15 footer or pass inside to Coleman. This also pulls the opposing 5 from being able to double down on Curt. The help usually comes from his weak side rather than a guard dropping down. If the help coming weak side its going to leave that guards open for a 3.

Any open 3 point shots: Contrary to popular beliefs our guys when wide open can hit the shot. Mitch hit 2 that were wide open. Leemire was probably 2/3 from 3ā€™s when wide open. Bennet was 1/2 when wide open and Alexander hit 2 wide open looks. However these looks usually came from Indiana collapsing the post or helping of dribble penetration.

Plays that were ineffective:
Corner (Play that runs a shooter across the baseline using screens to get open). Our guys just donā€™t set good screens and donā€™t know how to use them well. We end up shooting contested 3 pointers when we run this play.

The double sceen for a shooter at the top of the key. Ineffective because our guys again donā€™t set good screens and donā€™t know how to use the screen causing the shot to be contested.

Zipper with a downscreen. This is the screen roll look where Curt flashes a screen and pops to the post and Dā€™Angelo pops out trying to get an entry pass to Curt. Itā€™s ineffective for two reasons. First the screen doesnā€™t force the guard out of position which in turn never holds the big man. Second by the time Dā€™Angelo gets the ball, the opposing 5 is already in position for the help. To make this play more effective we need to make sure Nance pops to the Free Throw line to get the short 15 foot jumper, and the 2 should be in the corner to prevent his man from crashing in on Nance.

And of course the wild jacked up ad lib plays. Our guys are not good enough to penetrate one on one and make a play. Nor can they shoot a 20 footer with a hand in their face. That stuff has to go out of the playbook.

What we need to practice:

We need to practice setting and holding better screens. The screens we are setting are attrocious. Maybe thats why we struggle defensively to guard real screens, cause we set pansy ones all week in practice. So much of the playbook involves screening between guards and posts. When players donā€™t set good screens, they donā€™t get good looks for teammates or themselves.

Anytime someone jacks a shot. The whole team should run sprints. Do it enough and when someone jacks a wild one. Everyone will want to punch him.

All of our guys including our guards need to practice jump shots from inside the two point line. Leemire especially gets some good looks off his crossover but can never hit them. These guys are not good shooters because they only practice 3 pointers.

#2

Good post,

We try to run the high low, but our entry passes are too often feeble. We try to go up top and end up throwing up short, high lobs that stay in the air a half second too long and are too easily picked off. We have to get better at that for this approach to work.

Lutz has been upset about the way we set screens for a couple of years now. Itā€™s a broken record. Itā€™s always going to get blamed on the coach, but at the same time, we donā€™t have guys and havenā€™t recruited guys that will set them. Itā€™s been years since we had a guy that would do this for us. That should be addressed in recruiting in the future and with laps/etc for this team.

Also, I donā€™t think itā€™s a coincidence that weā€™ve struggled against teams with good or lots of big men. Even mediocre Miss St & NW had a lot of size, Valpo had that Kone kid, and IU has Killinsgworth, Vaden and DJ White. This goes back years (remember the Illinois game in the NCAAs? or SLU even the years theyw erent that good but had four interchangeable 6ā€™10 guys?). Over the years weā€™ve never successfully addressed our inability to deal with size and physicality.

#3

We need to stop forcing shots, especially three pointers. We need better ball movement and a more attacking offense. We canā€™t have one person standing there dribbling the ball while the other 4 are standing still. The plays that worked last year for Brendan and Eddie DO NOT work for this team! We are not as skilled a shooting team as we were last year, and we need to use our inside presence to our advantage. Curt having 8 points is pathetic. Mitch needs to drive to the basket more, regardless if its blocked or not. Good things will happen if you attack the basket instead of trying to shoot over defenders. One more thing, when a team is shooting lights out from three, GUARD THEM! Bobby has never taught defense, and its obvious once again.

#4

[QUOTE=49erFan1;145298]Since some have been questioning whether or not we can win with the guys that we haveā€¦Iā€™ve decided to start a thread where we can all post our opinions about how we should run the offense.

Effective plays/sets/ideas that we ran yesterday:

High/Low. Chris Nance high and Withers Low. It works because Nance can hit the 15 footer if given space and Curt needs to get the ball in low. I also saw Dumptruck feed Curt an entry pass early last night that let to an easy putback. On other occasions depending on Matchup Curt could go high and possibly shoot the 15 footer or pass inside to Coleman. This also pulls the opposing 5 from being able to double down on Curt. The help usually comes from his weak side rather than a guard dropping down. If the help coming weak side its going to leave that guards open for a 3.

Any open 3 point shots: Contrary to popular beliefs our guys when wide open can hit the shot. Mitch hit 2 that were wide open. Leemire was probably 2/3 from 3ā€™s when wide open. Bennet was 1/2 when wide open and Alexander hit 2 wide open looks. However these looks usually came from Indiana collapsing the post or helping of dribble penetration.

Plays that were ineffective:
Corner (Play that runs a shooter across the baseline using screens to get open). Our guys just donā€™t set good screens and donā€™t know how to use them well. We end up shooting contested 3 pointers when we run this play.

The double sceen for a shooter at the top of the key. Ineffective because our guys again donā€™t set good screens and donā€™t know how to use the screen causing the shot to be contested.

Zipper with a downscreen. This is the screen roll look where Curt flashes a screen and pops to the post and Dā€™Angelo pops out trying to get an entry pass to Curt. Itā€™s ineffective for two reasons. First the screen doesnā€™t force the guard out of position which in turn never holds the big man. Second by the time Dā€™Angelo gets the ball, the opposing 5 is already in position for the help. To make this play more effective we need to make sure Nance pops to the Free Throw line to get the short 15 foot jumper, and the 2 should be in the corner to prevent his man from crashing in on Nance.

And of course the wild jacked up ad lib plays. Our guys are not good enough to penetrate one on one and make a play. Nor can they shoot a 20 footer with a hand in their face. That stuff has to go out of the playbook.

What we need to practice:

We need to practice setting and holding better screens. The screens we are setting are attrocious. Maybe thats why we struggle defensively to guard real screens, cause we set pansy ones all week in practice. So much of the playbook involves screening between guards and posts. When players donā€™t set good screens, they donā€™t get good looks for teammates or themselves.

Anytime someone jacks a shot. The whole team should run sprints. Do it enough and when someone jacks a wild one. Everyone will want to punch him.

All of our guys including our guards need to practice jump shots from inside the two point line. Leemire especially gets some good looks off his crossover but can never hit them. These guys are not good shooters because they only practice 3 pointers.[/QUOTE]

I agree on the screens, the zipper play has not worked all year.

Demon and Rodney would run this plan often to get the ball in Rodneyā€™s hands.
Curt sets a slow weak pick. The defender is ready for it.

#5

Somebody e-mail this thread to Lutz.

#6

Zipper play has worked great all year. Bobby calls it in. Defense of the other team realizes what the play is and takes the ball.

#7

[QUOTE=NinerAdvocate;145308]Good post,

Lutz has been upset about the way we set screens for a couple of years now. Itā€™s a broken record. Itā€™s always going to get blamed on the coach, [/QUOTE]

As the inability to do simple, fundamental things over a lengthy period of time SHOULD be on the coach.

And again, if we donā€™t recruit kids who would ā€˜doā€™ these things, thats on coach, too. Or if he canā€™t ā€˜makeā€™ kids do these thingsā€¦guess what? Yup, on coach again.