This thread is just begging for an NLP post âin soviet russiaâŚâ
What a load of fecies. I really enjoyed Utterâs commentary. Wasnât really just play by play, just commentary on what was happening.
Well, if they threaten to close that loophole, you tell them that I've got a loophole for them I plan to close... :fastgun:
LoL You chevy guys, always pluggin holesâŚ
:eek:
Has the Weather Channel contacted Jim, yet?
I know he was describing the weather conditions during the USC game. He was cutting into the profits of websites that generate money by forecasting the weather.
[QUOTE=survivor45;242842]Has the Weather Channel contacted Jim, yet?
I know he was describing the weather conditions during the USC game. He was cutting into the profits of websites that generate money by forecasting the weather.[/QUOTE]
LOL. I think the weather channel is staying out of it since the officials delayed the start of game due to a possibility of rain from the weather channel, but I would tell jim to watch out for them in the future. :biggrin:
From the Louisville Courier-JournalâŚ
[URL=http://www.courier-journal.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070611/SPORTS02/706110450/1028][B]Courier-Journal reporter ejected from U of L game[/B][/URL]
[URL=http://www.courier-journal.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070612/SPORTS/706120464][B]NCAA criticized for ejecting reporter who blogged at game[/B][/URL]
[URL=http://forums.courier-journal.com/viewtopic.php?t=55991][B]Comments[/B][/URL] (lots of them!)
I donât think the point was what Jim was saying. Describing weather, talking about what was happening with the locals, saying what just happened in the game, etc.
The issue is not WHAT he was saying, the issue for the NCAA according to the rules is that something was being said (live reports â i.e. blogging). This is my novice understanding.
This is yet another example of rules and technology not matching up.
Think about the issues of blacking out games that are not sold out ⌠this is the modern leap from such rules.
It is about such issues and territorial rights to âliveâ events.
Of course the come back is that once the ball goes over the fence and Jim says âHOME RUNâ in the shout box is it really live anymore. We are heading towards a need for a technological definition of âliveâ
So on one hand you have territorial and contractural rights and on the other you have technological advances and the 1st Amendment. The NCAA will argue for the slippery slope that if blogging is allowed (they will argue it is live) that then what keeps someone with a video camera and a live feed from broadcasting from the stands. Do I buy that slippery slope, no ⌠but someone trying to protect territory will try it.
As a former high school teacher specializing in 1st Amendment issues and Civil Rights, I predict this could get interesting.
And from all of us NINERS, thanks Jim!
The great irony of course is that the blogging actually INCREASES interest in the NCAA events.
The concept of this whole thing is whatâs laughable. I know the NCAA has a rule in place, but was his blogging of the game taking away potential ESPN viewers or paying customers at the gate? H%!! no!! I would much rather watch the game than watch a messageboard. His blogging was simply for those fans who could not get to a TV or to the game in person. Whatâs next, a 3-day delay for all newspapers for televised sporting events?
So what can the NCAA do to stop me from being my web enabled phone to the game and post updates in the shout box? How far do they want to take this?
I think if they warned you not to do it WB, and you continued to do so, they could escort you outta the stadium maybe?
The rules just need to be updated, because at this rate, as WB mentioned, there gonna start banning cellphones and stuff.
[QUOTE=Gill2003;242850]I think if they warned you not to do it WB, and you continued to do so, they could escort you outta the stadium maybe?
The rules just need to be updated, because at this rate, as WB mentioned, there gonna start banning cellphones and stuff.[/QUOTE]
I just donât see how they can keep up with it all. I mean really how are they gonna catch me in the stands at a game typing on my phone? The NCAA is a bunch of tools. They need to drop this whole we protect student athletes crap and just come out and say they are all about making money.
If youâre not credentialed (and thus, trying to make money by covering these events), they donât care what you do. Itâs not about the information. Itâs about the money. Weâre trying to make money, theyâre trying to make money, and weâre both using the same event. They can limit how we make money, so they do. At some point, the ink-on-paper way of delivering the news will be secondary to the internet and text messaging directly to your cell phone or some other medium we havenât imagined yet. If we canât cover the events live at that point, if thatâs what people expect, whatâs our motivation for going at all?
[QUOTE=s9er;242800]http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/baseball/more/06/11/blogger.ejected.ap/index.html
âItâs a real question that weâre being deprived of our right to report within the First Amendment from a public facility,â Fleischaker said. âOnce a player hits a home run, thatâs a fact. Itâs on TV. Everybody sees it. [The NCAA] canât copyright that fact.â
Louisville won the game 20-2 to advance to the College World Series in Omaha, Neb.
[B]Copyright 2007 Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten, or redistributed.[/B][/QUOTE]
Umm⌠I think you may get a call about this, so be prepared.:biggrin:
Although I understand the âletter of the lawâ, if the NCAA wanted to stop this âlive bloggingâ and deprive the fans of âup to the minuteâ updates/goings on in one of itâs events, then they should at least put some of their money into supporting the technology to provide real time updates on their âgame centralâ type sites. I canât tell you how many times I was watching cstv and NNN at the same time, and finding out that the gametracker was about 10-15 mins behind the live action/updates I was seeing in the shoutbox. As Mike P mentioned, there will come a time when the old pen and paper medium beocmes extinct, so they better get on the ball with technology. Also, what about the video feed from the SC website?
[QUOTE=jdm49er;242870]Umm⌠I think you may get a call about this, so be prepared.:biggrin:
[/QUOTE]
Noted and changed. I can see the NCAA ratting on me to the AP, me doing time and having all of my remaining eligibility stripped by the NCAA⌠:lol:
[QUOTE=run49er;242831]UMass sports reporter Matt Vautour of the Springfield Republican was blogging during the Minutewomenâs run in both the A-10 and NCAA softball tournaments.[/QUOTE]
Vautour gives his 2 cents on this most important of NCAA issues⌠:biggrin:
Of course the come back is that once the ball goes over the fence and Jim says "HOME RUN" in the shout box is it really live anymore. We are heading towards a need for a technological definition of "live"
Sadly, this will be an extension of the Hearst Papers Copyright cases. âLiveâ will be considered a reasonable amount of time for the licensed publications to reasonably profit from the information. For example, delaying the news 30 minutes such that people would prefer to go to the source of instantaneous information.
Mike alludes to the NCAA not caring what the casual user does, but I disagree. I bet at some point they will accuse a personal blogger or streamer for a message board as a copyright infringer. NCAA has exclusive rights to the broadcast, and therefore negotiate away those rights to CSTV and ESPN. CSTV and ESPN are worried as to the devaluation of those rights through personal streamers and thus will ask NCAA to strictly enforce a no distribution rule by anyone.
Now, this might be ok if the NCAA took the money deal and equally distributed it among the schools, but I am willing to bet again that the NCAA takes a sizeable chunk and then the rest is disproportionately ditributed to the top athletic schools. Just another showing of how a group of grown adults forsake the rights of free press and take advantage of the young men playing the game in order to make a buck.
Maybe thatâs why they donât police crooked coaches. Makes for good entertainment, and thus attendance, and thus more money in licensing.
NOTE TO NCAA: THIS IS MY PERSONAL OPINION. PLEASE DON"T START SENDING OUT LIBEL ACTIONS. THANK YOU.
Cakewalk, is that CCNV v. Reid youâre talking about? I donât know much copyright law. I donât know of any other SC cases involving Hearst. I thought that was the work for hire/ownership case. Donât understand how it would apply. The only other Hearst case I know is that old WWII era NLRB case.
Only asking because its way past due for me to read this stuff. I need to take a seminar or somethin.
Just finished reading through Vautourâs blog on this and all of his links pertinent to the matter. The NCAA really needs to worry about something important! :rolleyes:
Cakewalk, is that CCNV v. Reid you're talking about? I don't know much copyright law. I don't know of any other SC cases involving Hearst. I thought that was the work for hire/ownership case. Don't understand how it would apply. The only other Hearst case I know is that old WWII era NLRB case.Only asking because its way past due for me to read this stuff. I need to take a seminar or somethin.
It was the International News Services v. AP case I was thinking about. Sorry, I should not have said copyright infringement. The ruling was for unfair competition. AP brought the case originally as a copyright infringement suit.
Shows I need to brush up on my case history, too.
From Jennifer Scroggs at the Cincinnati EnquirerâŚ
Itâs a good thing that all the NCAA cares about are live blogs. Otherwise, it might have to actually get up and investigate a school.
[URL=http://www.boston.com/sports/colleges/mens_basketball/articles/2007/06/08/degree_of_contention/?page=1]http://www.boston.com/sports/colleges/mens_basketball/articles/2007/06/08/degree_of_contention/?page=1[/URL]
A great read. I wish Charlotte altered [I]my [/I]transcript so I could graduate without even being aware of the classes I was taking.