Ken Pomeroy's RPI, 12/27/04

EEK! :scared: Tulane is 329 of 330 teams in Division I and their SOS is dead last in the NCAA. The 49ers moved up 28 spots with the win over Indiana but 143 is still way down. Two victories at Santa Clara should us help short term (unless one of them is against CCSU).

49ers Non-conference Opponents
RPI 194, SOS 53 - Long Beach State, 2-7, last week: RPI 252, SOS 151
RPI 119 SOS 115 - Rutgers, 5-3, last week: RPI 113, SOS 84
RPI 167, SOS 28 - Valparaiso, 2-6, last week: RPI 141, SOS 16
RPI 107, SOS 100 - Louisiana Lafayette, 4-5, last week: RPI 100, SOS 23
RPI 21, SOS 71 - Alabama, 9-1, last week: RPI 43, SOS 98
RPI 184, SOS 128 - Davidson, 2-5, last week: RPI 198, SOS 165
RPI 195, SOS 116 - Georgia State, 2-6, last week: RPI 230, SOS 173
RPI 257, SOS 127 - UNC Asheville, 1-6, last week: RPI 241, SOS 101
RPI 219, SOS 64 - Indiana, 2-6, last week: RPI 181, SOS 46
RPI 168, SOS 84 - Yale, 2-6, last week: RPI 170, SOS 92
RPI 117, SOS 160 - Santa Clara, 6-5, last week: RPI 121, SOS 181
RPI 270, SOS 264 - Central Connecticut, 2-5, last week: RPI 288, SOS 289

Conference USA
RPI rank 10, SOS rank 17; last week: RPI rank 10, SOS rank 14
Non conference record 84-49 vs. Division I vs. Division I; last week 70-43 vs. Division I

RPI 30, SOS 42 – Alabama Birmingham, 7-3, last week: RPI 51, SOS 162
RPI 32, SOS 94 - Marquette, 9-1, last week: RPI 38, SOS 78
RPI 44, SOS 31 - DePaul, 6-3, last week: RPI 62, SOS 52
RPI 48, SOS 256 - Cincinnati, 9-0, last week: RPI 33, SOS 189
RPI 49, SOS 43 - Texas Christian, 7-4, last week: RPI 24, SOS 5
RPI 76, SOS 110 - Louisville, 6-2, last week: RPI 79, SOS 86
RPI 96, SOS 171 - Houston, 8-4, last week: RPI 112, SOS 215
RPI 122, SOS 23 - East Carolina, 3-6, last week: RPI 117, SOS 38
RPI 143, SOS 263 - Charlotte, 7-2, last week: RPI 171, SOS 262
RPI 152, SOS 101 - Memphis, 6-6, last week: RPI 103, SOS 93
RPI 217, RPI 285 - South Florida, 5-4, last week: RPI 232, RPI 281
RPI 227, SOS 323 - Southern Mississippi, 6-2, last week: RPI 224, SOS 281
RPI 250, SOS 130 - Saint Louis, 2-8, last week: RPI 263, SOS 171
RPI 329, SOS 330 - Tulane, 3-4, last week: RPI 329, SOS 327

Atlantic 10 Conference
RPI rank 14, SOS rank 2; last week: RPI rank 14, SOS rank: 3
Non conference record 42-59; last week 35-53 vs. Division I

RPI 8, SOS 20 - George Washington, 8-1
RPI 23, SOS 1 - Temple, 4-5
RPI 31, SOS 8 - Richmond, 4-4
RPI 87, SOS 38 - Massachusetts, 5-3
RPI 93, SOS 26 - Saint Joseph’s, 3-4
RPI 115, SOS 133 - Dayton, 6-3
RPI 162, SOS 155 - Fordham, 4-4
RPI 185, SOS 126 - Xavier, 3-4
RPI 232, SOS 91 - Duquesne, 2-9
RPI 247, SOS 131 - Rhode Island, 2-6
RPI 262, SOS 112 - La Salle, 1-7
RPI 324, SOS 246 - Saint Bonaventure, 0-9

I don’t know how we could move 28 spots with a win over IU, no matter what happened with previous opponents. Jerry Palm is the most accurate and he had us at 148 before IU and currently.

Not sure pi, but Alabama, Georgia State and Long Beach all made large jumps this past week as well as Central Connecticut did in losing to UConn. Some of the SOS numbers are equally ridiculous.

Man, if you toss out Alabama, the RPI of all our OOC opponents is absolutely dreadful. :blink:

Conference play cannot get here soon enough but not sure even that will get us in a RPI comfort zone but it will help a little bit. Still think that we’re going to have to rely on our overall record come March and a few big wins in conference come committee time.

We look tragically like the Memphis teams of the last few years…beating up on the sisters of the poor-type schedule and having to beg for an NCAA bid despite a 21-7 record. That RPI won’t get above 80 unless we go 15-1 in CUSA play. Only Marquette, Cincy, and Louisville can do us any good. Maybe DePaul and UAB, but not much.

How can 7-2 suck so much?!?!?
-G-

[i]Originally posted by GMadness[/i]@Dec 28 2004, 05:42 AM [b]

How can 7-2 suck so much?!?!?
-G- [/b]

Long Beach State
Rutgers
Valparaiso
Louisiana-Laf.
Davidson
Georgia State
UNC-Asheville

That’s pretty much how. :stuck_out_tongue: And after tonight, throw in perennial powerhouse Yale to the mix.

Our opponents have played pretty tough schedules. SOS are much better than their RPI. They still can do well in their leagues and help us some.

Has anyone noticed that the A-10’s SOS is #3? They’ve taken a beating but schools (for whatever reasons: buy game, geography, player going home, TV guarantee) with name recognition (at least their conference does) have scheduled them. We’ve seemed to have some problems at times in this area. Will the Atlantic 10’s scheduling coattails possibly extend to the 49ers in the future?

Dayton – Cincinnati, DePaul, Saint Louis, Vanderbilt
Dusquene – Boston College, Pittsburgh, Santa Clara, West Virginia
Fordham – Boston University, Villanova
George Washington – Maryland, Michigan State, Wake Forest, West Virginia
LaSalle – Cincinnati, Southern California, Villanova
Massachusetts – Boston College, Boston University, Connecticut, Florida State, Gonzaga, Miami
Rhode Island – Boston University, DePaul, Providence, Rutgers, Seton Hall
Richmond – Alabama Birmingham, Arizona, Colorado, Pittsburgh, Seton Hall, South Florida, Virginia, Wake Forest
Saint Bonaventure – Syracuse, West Virginia
Saint Joseph’s – Kansas, Ohio State
Temple – Alabama, Arizona State, Auburn, Duke, Georgetown, Maryland, South Carolina, Villanova, Wake Forest
Xavier – Cincinnati, Creighton, Iowa State, Mississippi State, Tennessee

I wish I could find week-by-week RPI numbers from last year. It would be interesting to see how big of a drop/gain a few teams go through.

Anyway, for reference, here’s the top 75. It’s safe to say some of these teams won’t be holding their current position (Boston College) too much longer. I would expect us to end up around 50ish if we beat the teams we should in conference and lose only a few to the likes of Cincy or L’ville.

The Collegiate Basketball News Men’s RPI College Basketball Ratings
Through games of Sunday, December 26, 2004

CARMEL, INDIANA - The Rating Percentage Index (RPI) has been used by the NCAA since 1981 to supplement the selection of at-large teams and the seeding of all teams for the NCAA basketball tournament. This list is an independent duplication of the RPI without input from the NCAA, which does not release the RPI to the public. It is derived from three component factors: Div. I winning percentage (FI, 25%), schedule strength (FII, 50%); and opponent’s schedule strength (FIII, 25%). This list does not included the adjusted RPI, which is available only to subscribers to The RPI Report. The adjusted RPI takes into account good wins, bad losses, and good and bad non-conference schedules. Games against non-Division I opponents are not used in calculating the RPI. Copyright © 2004 by Collegiate Basketball News Co. All Rights Reserved.

Note: Conference rankings follow team rankings

		      Sched SS

Rank Team W L Strg Rk RPI
1 Kansas 8 0 .6781 13 .7302
2 Wake Forest 10 1 .6700 15 .7133
3 Arizona 8 2 .7419 3 .7053
4 Oklahoma St. 8 0 .6173 37 .6980
5 Illinois 11 0 .5816 73 .6889
6 Washington 9 1 .6815 7 .6857
7 Boston College 9 0 .5873 62 .6753
8 Iowa 10 1 .6178 36 .6716
9 Wisconsin 7 2 .6806 10 .6642
10 Oregon 7 1 .6338 29 .6624
11 George Washington 8 1 .6093 41 .6614
12 Virginia 8 1 .5865 64 .6589
13 Alabama 9 1 .5710 86 .6523
14 North Carolina 9 1 .5691 90 .6519
15 Gonzaga 9 1 .5788 78 .6518
16 Duke 8 0 .4955 177 .6517
17 Temple 4 5 .7995 1 .6452
18 Hawaii 8 0 .5099 157 .6452
19 Michigan St. 7 2 .6422 24 .6440
20 Marquette 9 1 .5373 123 .6352
21 Kent St. 6 2 .6227 33 .6291
22 Ohio St. 9 2 .5822 71 .6290
23 Pacific 5 2 .6449 22 .6266
24 Maryland 7 2 .5931 54 .6260
25 South Carolina 7 2 .5852 66 .6240
26 Connecticut 6 1 .5434 116 .6224
27 Texas 7 2 .5734 83 .6181
28 Georgia Tech 8 1 .4895 182 .6139
29 UCLA 6 2 .5661 93 .6103
30 Cincinnati 9 0 .4358 244 .6102
31 DePaul 6 3 .6195 34 .6078
32 Kentucky 8 1 .4928 180 .6078
33 Providence 6 4 .6595 18 .6072
34 UAB 7 3 .5998 47 .6054
35 Texas A&M-CC 6 2 .5837 69 .6052
36 Southern Illinois 8 2 .5432 117 .6050
37 Bradley 7 1 .4969 174 .6046
38 Arkansas 10 1 .5038 163 .6027
39 Minnesota 7 3 .5839 68 .5988
40 Wichita St. 7 0 .4077 267 .5987
41 Holy Cross 5 3 .6342 28 .5966
42 Wyoming 6 3 .5973 49 .5965
43 UNLV 5 4 .6501 20 .5948
44 Iowa St. 6 2 .5564 101 .5941
45 Rice 4 3 .6418 25 .5925
Arizona St. 9 1 .4625 217 .5925
47 TCU 7 4 .5940 52 .5923
48 Clemson 8 3 .5647 95 .5921
49 Kansas St. 7 0 .3750 293 .5920
50 Richmond 4 4 .6790 11 .5917
51 Western Kentucky 7 1 .4740 201 .5890
52 Georgetown 6 3 .5704 88 .5889
53 Oklahoma 7 2 .5075 160 .5886
54 Georgia 5 3 .6179 35 .5885
55 Louisville 6 2 .5476 110 .5859
56 Massachusetts 5 3 .6037 43 .5856
57 Pittsburgh 9 0 .3774 289 .5851
58 St. Francis PA 4 4 .6808 9 .5836
59 Syracuse 11 1 .4429 235 .5826
60 Old Dominion 10 1 .4311 249 .5822
61 Texas Tech 5 3 .5792 77 .5803
62 Colorado 6 2 .5357 126 .5791
63 Southern Cal 6 4 .6010 46 .5784
64 Vanderbilt 7 4 .5676 91 .5777
65 Mississippi St. 11 2 .4611 219 .5773
66 Princeton 5 3 .5613 97 .5732
67 Hofstra 8 0 .3765 291 .5711
68 Auburn 8 4 .5470 111 .5684
69 Nevada 6 3 .5185 146 .5670
70 UNC Greensboro 4 3 .5827 70 .5657
71 Bowling Green 5 1 .4292 250 .5652
72 Illinois Chicago 2 5 .7560 2 .5650
73 North Texas 5 3 .5525 104 .5648
74 Boston University 7 2 .4705 209 .5634
75 Michigan 6 5 .5969 50 .5631

My expectations of who I think is going to be falling in the next few weeks in bold

[i]Originally posted by Florida49er[/i]@Dec 28 2004, 10:21 AM [b] I would expect us to end up around 50ish if we beat the teams we should in conference and lose only a few to the likes of Cincy or L'ville.

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I think that’s a fair assumption based on where most of the CUSA teams will be sitting, RPI-wise after OOC play. And if that’s the case, expect another nail biting Selection Sunday because we’ve found ourselves on the bubble in the past with our RPI sitting in the upper 30’s/low 40’s, along with more quality OOC wins than we currently have. As it has been said, we simply cannot afford to lose either of the next two OOC games and we likely can’t afford more than 3 or 4 conference losses. Beating Cincy, Louisville and/or Marquette will certainly help the cause. Please correct me if I’m wrong, but I just don’t remember (in the recent past) us having this poor of a RPI/SOS with only two out-of-conference games left.

Strength of Schedule 263 or whatever = not hearing “Charlotte” on selection Sunday. RPI is horrible. Lutz managed to get our boys an absolutely horrible cupcake schedule. That, in return, will manage to get our boys in the NIT though. Brutal.

I am really concerned about our RPI, our top 2 RPI games on the rest of the schedule are on the road:

@UAB (their last 4 games were against top 100 teams, they went 2-2 and jumped up in RPI, we have no games against 50- 100 RPI teams right now)
@Marquette

Both games are huge, these are the two teams we will be competing with for at large bids, also Santa Clara (why is this game considered on a neutral court, it is a road game!). We need 2 out of these 3.

If only we could have pulled out the Rutgers and Alabama games we’d be around 50 and wouldn’t be worried about our weak schedule.

Interesting you point that out HP. Makes me wonder if being in the A-10 is going to get us more high RPI games. It would look odd if every other A-10 team got to schedule Duke, Cincy, Wake, Gonzaga, Pittsburgh, Maryland… etc. except for us. I’m hoping we will get to have similar OOC schedules once we’re in the A-10. Richmond’s OOC schedule is particulary brutal.

2 Questions:

  1. Why is it Bobby’s fault that we have a rotten non-con schedule?
  2. Does the current position take into account our 3 road wins(the extra R.P.I pull)?

If things hold, we should have 6 games(UAB, Marquette, Alabama, UC x 2, Depaul) with top 50 teams (Louisville might also sneak in there). We win four of those (7 games) and we’re fine.
Also we should get a little boost if we can win this tourney due to the nuetral court factor.

Tintin

Uh oh, CCS wins beats Santa Clara, their RPI is 271,

OOC schedule is horrid, just horrid. You can’t tell me that we couldn’t have done a better job of scheduling.

I am sick and tired of hearing that “no way we should give UNC, Duke, NCSU, etc a two for one”. YES WE SHOULD. We also should have maybe tried to schedule a home and home with someone like ETSU.

I know people are going to say “We’ve reached a level where should never go to ETSU or any So Con school for that matter”. The reality is we either do some things like two for ones and home and home with some of the better mid-majors, or we’re going to be on the outside looking in on a certain Sunday in March.

Question, would you rather play twice at Maryland for once at Halton or twice at Halton with UNC-A for once at the elite Asheville Civic Center? Please don’t say the latter.

from a fan travel stand point the Asheville game was fun. We could go a little further and play at U Tenn. Knoxville is fun. Nice little bar district.

Checked RPI today and somehow we are now 106 0n Ken’s site and 115 on Nolan’s site. Not sure how that happened with a game over Yale but I’ll take it. Go Yale versus Santa Clara.

I also noticed Louisiana-Laf, Rutgers, and Indiana also had big improvements in their RPI’s. We need them to keep winning.

Also here is to Davidson whopping Seton Hall tonight.

[i]Originally posted by hootie[/i]@Dec 29 2004, 10:45 AM [b] OOC schedule is horrid, just horrid. You can't tell me that we couldn't have done a better job of scheduling.

I am sick and tired of hearing that “no way we should give UNC, Duke, NCSU, etc a two for one”. YES WE SHOULD. We also should have maybe tried to schedule a home and home with someone like ETSU.

I know people are going to say “We’ve reached a level where should never go to ETSU or any So Con school for that matter”. The reality is we either do some things like two for ones and home and home with some of the better mid-majors, or we’re going to be on the outside looking in on a certain Sunday in March.

Question, would you rather play twice at Maryland for once at Halton or twice at Halton with UNC-A for once at the elite Asheville Civic Center? Please don’t say the latter. [/b]


Get a clue dufus.

This tournament was the fill in for Lute Olson turning tail on us. What the f*** more do you want? The man bailed on the game cause he knew he’d lose.

Gheez. Look at the top 25 teams last night…

Arizona… not vs Charlotte, too hard, so 2-9 Eastern Washington instead
UNC-CH vs 5-4 UNCW
Ga Tech vs 3-7 Lafayette
UConn vs 1-8 Sacred Heart
Maryland vs 1-8 Liberty

Somehow, it’s perfectly ok for these teams to play total chumps, yet we play a scrappy Yale team that gave RPI #1 BC an OT game, and it’s not good enough.

We win you whine, we lose you whine. We ARE the freaking forty WHINERS, and we’re know-nothings to boot. Thanks. :rolleyes:

[i]Originally posted by NinerAdvocate+Dec 29 2004, 10:30 AM-->
[b]QUOTE[/b] (NinerAdvocate @ Dec 29 2004, 10:30 AM)