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First of all, you would still be defending Major if you thought it would do any good.

Next of all, I still fail to understand your logic of thinking Major’s 9 win season was better than the preceding 19 win season? Yes, that 19 win team had issues and tanked at season’s end (sort of like Major’s teams have done), but we were at least in post season discussions going into our final week of regular season. Yes, Spears should have been dismissed Major’s first year but that is still no excuse for only winning 9 games that year. If what you say about the intentional dismantling is true, Major and staff should have been let go a long time ago.

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what a stupid thread. Surprising i know.

Look, major needs to go. He’s done here and its time to move on. But its silly things like this thread that make his detractors look petty and dumb. And its been their modus operandi since day one.

Criticizing a coach for using coach speak and cliches smacks of a willful detachment from the world of sports. I heard Calipari on ESPN last week during all the snow and it sounded like someone gave him a “Coach Speak for Dummies” book for Christmas. They. All. Do. It.

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Look I’m actually fine with him giving us coach speak for 75% of the time, but you also have to admit last year when Calipari’s team was stinking out of the gym, he was telling the media his team was bad and needed to get better.

I just want Major to own up to it and stop with the “parity” “quick fix” “play the right way” crap.

If he came out and said the guys are working hard but we aren’t winning and that isn’t acceptable I would gain a lot more respect for the man.

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First of all, you would still be defending Major if you thought it would do any good.

Next of all, I still fail to understand your logic of thinking Major’s 9 win season was better than the preceding 19 win season? Yes, that 19 win team had issues and tanked at season’s end (sort of like Major’s teams have done), but we were at least in post season discussions going into our final week of regular season. Yes, Spears should have been dismissed Major’s first year but that is still no excuse for only winning 9 games that year. If what you say about the intentional dismantling is true, Major and staff should have been let go a long time ago.[/quote]

DOBA…Good job Over!

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Look I’m actually fine with him giving us coach speak for 75% of the time, but you also have to admit last year when Calipari’s team was stinking out of the gym, he was telling the media his team was bad and needed to get better.

[b]I just want Major to own up to it and stop with the “parity” “quick fix” “play the right way” crap.

If he came out and said the guys are working hard but we aren’t winning and that isn’t acceptable I would gain a lot more respect for the man.[/b][/quote]

I agree that it would be better for him to come out and say that. It still doesn’t change the situation, but at least he wouldn’t seem like an ostrich with his head stuck in the ground.

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[quote=“casstommy, post:22, topic:28619”]what a stupid thread. Surprising i know.

Look, major needs to go. He’s done here and its time to move on. But its silly things like this thread that make his detractors look petty and dumb. And its been their modus operandi since day one.

Criticizing a coach for using coach speak and cliches smacks of a willful detachment from the world of sports. I heard Calipari on ESPN last week during all the snow and it sounded like someone gave him a “Coach Speak for Dummies” book for Christmas. They. All. Do. It.[/quote]

I think for me is compare that to what K will say or Roy Williams or some other coaches. If their team is playing like shit they will own up to it. Sure they throw in all the cliches and coach speak, but at the heart of what they say it’s this is my job and I am not doing a good enough job. Hell Bobby said that when he got fired. I just want Major to take ownership of the shit show he has given us. T-Will owned but not his head coach. Also if you use coach speak at least use some that make sense.

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If you are anticipating logic from him, you are setting yourself up for constant disappointment.[/quote]
says the clown with a bag over his head

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[quote=“casstommy, post:22, topic:28619”]what a stupid thread. Surprising i know.

Look, major needs to go. He’s done here and its time to move on. But its silly things like this thread that make his detractors look petty and dumb. And its been their modus operandi since day one.

Criticizing a coach for using coach speak and cliches smacks of a willful detachment from the world of sports. I heard Calipari on ESPN last week during all the snow and it sounded like someone gave him a “Coach Speak for Dummies” book for Christmas. They. All. Do. It.[/quote]
its called trolling the quiditch gang…its worked

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First of all, you would still be defending Major if you thought it would do any good.

Next of all, I still fail to understand your logic of thinking Major’s 9 win season was better than the preceding 19 win season? Yes, that 19 win team had issues and tanked at season’s end (sort of like Major’s teams have done), but we were at least in post season discussions going into our final week of regular season. Yes, Spears should have been dismissed Major’s first year but that is still no excuse for only winning 9 games that year. If what you say about the intentional dismantling is true, Major and staff should have been let go a long time ago.[/quote]

55 has a good point. The 19 win team lost virtually every game in Feb and Mar. You can pick and choose your comparisons, but bear in mind that Lutz was in his 11th season as head coach here as opposed to to Major’s 1st season as head coach. Lets compare Lutz last 8 games to Majors first 8 games. Major tripled Lutz’ wins during that stretch. Or, maybe we should consider most recent years here. Mayor won 21 games with a A10 tournament win. How does that compare to Lutz’ 19 win and no wins in the conf. tourney? I suppose the thinking is that Lutz would have done so much better the following year with his stellar recruiting class coming in. (Jarvis Davis, who is averaging about 2.5 pts as a senior at Gardner Webb)

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First of all, you would still be defending Major if you thought it would do any good.

Next of all, I still fail to understand your logic of thinking Major’s 9 win season was better than the preceding 19 win season? Yes, that 19 win team had issues and tanked at season’s end (sort of like Major’s teams have done), but we were at least in post season discussions going into our final week of regular season. Yes, Spears should have been dismissed Major’s first year but that is still no excuse for only winning 9 games that year. If what you say about the intentional dismantling is true, Major and staff should have been let go a long time ago.[/quote]

55 has a good point. The 19 win team lost virtually every game in Feb and Mar. You can pick and choose your comparisons, but bear in mind that Lutz was in his 11th season as head coach here as opposed to to Major’s 1st season as head coach. Lets compare Lutz last 8 games to Majors first 8 games. Major tripled Lutz’ wins during that stretch. Or, maybe we should consider most recent years here. Mayor won 21 games with a A10 tournament win. How does that compare to Lutz’ 19 win and no wins in the conf. tourney? I suppose the thinking is that Lutz would have done so much better the following year with his stellar recruiting class coming in. (Jarvis Davis, who is averaging about 2.5 pts as a senior at Gardner Webb)[/quote]

All that matters is Bobby went 5 years without getting us to the NCAAs with 2 NITs. Major is in year 4 of most likely not getting us to the NCAAs with one NIT. Bobby had a track record that showed he at least could get us there. Major has a track record of nothing. Bobby’s teams collapsed to close the season. Major’s teams have collapsed to close the season. Bobby’s teams got him canned, rightfully so. Major’s teams have thus far got him an extension.

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[quote=“NinerWupAss, post:30, topic:28619”]All that matters is Bobby went 5 years without getting us to the NCAAs with 2 NITs. Major is in year 4 of most likely not getting us to the NCAAs with one NIT. Bobby had a track record that showed he at least could get us there. Major has a track record of nothing. Bobby’s teams collapsed to close the season. Major’s teams have collapsed to close the season. Bobby’s teams got him canned, rightfully so. Major’s teams have thus far got him an extension.[/quote]Well, Bobby got extensions as well for performance that wasn’t up to standards here either. That’s not unique experience to Major.

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True he got the extension and then got fired. The point is I don’t care who the coach, thats a bunch of losing and a sign of a program that continues to flounder and reward mediocrity.

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BOTTOM LINE.

In February, 2005, this program was competitive, had a bright future and was something proud to talk about.

SINCE THEN.

nothing.

I don’t give a shit who’s in charge, head coach, who did/didn’t get extensions, etc. I’m tired of my school having a basketball team that causes me to bury my head in the sand.

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[quote=“Crusader, post:33, topic:28619”]BOTTOM LINE.

In February, 2005, this program was competitive, had a bright future and was something proud to talk about.

SINCE THEN.

nothing.

I don’t give a s*** who’s in charge, head coach, who did/didn’t get extensions, etc. I’m tired of my school having a basketball team that causes me to bury my head in the sand.[/quote]

yup

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[quote=“ninerfan55, post:17, topic:28619”][quote=“Card49, post:10, topic:28619”][quote=“EE9er, post:9, topic:28619”][quote=“Card49, post:1, topic:28619”]“w​e are in a quick fix society”
“parity thing…I told people last summer, thats the thing”[/quote]

These are the two that irk me the most… he’s in YEAR FOUR!!

The Parity thing doesn’t hold any water either, just look at the standings there are good teams, bad teams and medoicre teams in this league. We are at mediocre trending to bad![/quote]
And took over 19 win team, a total I doubt he reaches for 3rd time in 4 years…[/quote]

nobody on here is defending major anymore but you need to stop with the took over a 19 win team. that team was mediocre and was run by a troublemaker in spears. the team had to be dismantled. i am not critical of major in terms of recruiting and the talent he assembles, i just do not think he is the coach to help them play to their capabilties but you need to stop with the 19 win team argument.[/quote]

Bobby’s 19 win team was much better then Major’s 21 win team for exactly this reason. "

“Major won 10, 13 and 21 games his first three seasons. But he won 21 with a non-conference schedule so soft it could have been designed by ESPN commentator Seth Greenberg when he coached at Virginia Tech.”

Read more here: http://www.charlotteobserver.com/2014/02/15/4697756/sorensen-charlotte-49ers-basketball.html#.UwAuMGJdVWW#storylink=cpy

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[quote=“bballtazzmania, post:35, topic:28619”]Bobby’s 19 win team was much better then Major’s 21 win team for exactly this reason. "

“Major won 10, 13 and 21 games his first three seasons. But he won 21 with a non-conference schedule so soft it could have been designed by ESPN commentator Seth Greenberg when he coached at Virginia Tech.”

Read more here: http://www.charlotteobserver.com/2014/02/15/4697756/sorensen-charlotte-49ers-basketball.html#.UwAuMGJdVWW#storylink=cpy[/quote]
These 2 teams will never play each other, but okay, i’ll bang my head against this wall…
2013 we won 21 games, had an RPI of 71, and a SOS of 112
2010 we won 19 games, had an RPI of 75, and a SOS of 98

But carry on, this is Lutz vs. Major or something. Here is the deal, Lutz took his teams as far as he could and it wasn’t good enough. Major is taking his teams as far as he can, and it isn’t good enough. On this message board, people know how many games we won 4 years ago. If you compare just the numbers but don’t mention what year it was or who the coach was, the parallels of Lutz/Major are very similar.

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[quote=“bballtazzmania, post:35, topic:28619”][quote=“ninerfan55, post:17, topic:28619”][quote=“Card49, post:10, topic:28619”][quote=“EE9er, post:9, topic:28619”][quote=“Card49, post:1, topic:28619”]“w​e are in a quick fix society”
“parity thing…I told people last summer, thats the thing”[/quote]

These are the two that irk me the most… he’s in YEAR FOUR!!

The Parity thing doesn’t hold any water either, just look at the standings there are good teams, bad teams and medoicre teams in this league. We are at mediocre trending to bad![/quote]
And took over 19 win team, a total I doubt he reaches for 3rd time in 4 years…[/quote]

nobody on here is defending major anymore but you need to stop with the took over a 19 win team. that team was mediocre and was run by a troublemaker in spears. the team had to be dismantled. i am not critical of major in terms of recruiting and the talent he assembles, i just do not think he is the coach to help them play to their capabilties but you need to stop with the 19 win team argument.[/quote]

Bobby’s 19 win team was much better then Major’s 21 win team for exactly this reason. "

“Major won 10, 13 and 21 games his first three seasons. But he won 21 with a non-conference schedule so soft it could have been designed by ESPN commentator Seth Greenberg when he coached at Virginia Tech.”

Read more here: http://www.charlotteobserver.com/2014/02/15/4697756/sorensen-charlotte-49ers-basketball.html#.UwAuMGJdVWW#storylink=cpy[/quote]

I don’t really care to rehash which mediocre team was better. It is currently 2014 and our program is in the sh*tter.

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[quote=“bballtazzmania, post:35, topic:28619”][quote=“ninerfan55, post:17, topic:28619”][quote=“Card49, post:10, topic:28619”][quote=“EE9er, post:9, topic:28619”][quote=“Card49, post:1, topic:28619”]“w​e are in a quick fix society”
“parity thing…I told people last summer, thats the thing”[/quote]

These are the two that irk me the most… he’s in YEAR FOUR!!

The Parity thing doesn’t hold any water either, just look at the standings there are good teams, bad teams and medoicre teams in this league. We are at mediocre trending to bad![/quote]
And took over 19 win team, a total I doubt he reaches for 3rd time in 4 years…[/quote]

nobody on here is defending major anymore but you need to stop with the took over a 19 win team. that team was mediocre and was run by a troublemaker in spears. the team had to be dismantled. i am not critical of major in terms of recruiting and the talent he assembles, i just do not think he is the coach to help them play to their capabilties but you need to stop with the 19 win team argument.[/quote]

Bobby’s 19 win team was much better then Major’s 21 win team for exactly this reason. "

“Major won 10, 13 and 21 games his first three seasons. But he won 21 with a non-conference schedule so soft it could have been designed by ESPN commentator Seth Greenberg when he coached at Virginia Tech.”

Read more here: http://www.charlotteobserver.com/2014/02/15/4697756/sorensen-charlotte-49ers-basketball.html#.UwAuMGJdVWW#storylink=cpy[/quote]

19-win season
SOS rank: 98
RPI rank: 77
v. Top-100: 4-9
Best Win: home against Temple (8 RPI)
Worst Loss: home against UMass (181 RPI)

21-win season
SOS rank: 104
RPI rank: 68
v. Top-100: 7-8
Best Win: @ Butler (22 RPI)
Worst Loss: @ GWU (143 RPI)

I like Sorenson, but that’s not the entire truth. Last year we played more and had a better win % against the top-100. The SOS numbers were almost identical. That season wasn’t as easy as everyone pretends, with the A-10 being so strong. For comparison from this year, Louisville has a SOS of 104 (same as we did last year) and has one win over a borderline top-25 RPI team in UConn. They’ve obviously won a great deal more- but they’re ranked 5th/11th in the two polls, so SOS wasn’t the issue.

Last year was a solid, but not spectacular year, and it came in a very difficult conference with some good wins and no really terrible losses. We were in the conversation right up until the end and had every right to be proud of that team and still hope for more.
I don’t think trying to compare the two seasons is all that fruitful to this discussion. The decision to fire Lutz and the decision to hire/fire Major are independent of each other. Even if major hasn’t/doesn’t work out, that doesn’t mean that moving on from Lutz was the wrong decision.

Edit: Stats pulled from realtimerpi.com

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[quote=“Mr. Bojangles, post:37, topic:28619”][quote=“bballtazzmania, post:35, topic:28619”][quote=“ninerfan55, post:17, topic:28619”][quote=“Card49, post:10, topic:28619”][quote=“EE9er, post:9, topic:28619”][quote=“Card49, post:1, topic:28619”]“w​e are in a quick fix society”
“parity thing…I told people last summer, thats the thing”[/quote]

These are the two that irk me the most… he’s in YEAR FOUR!!

The Parity thing doesn’t hold any water either, just look at the standings there are good teams, bad teams and medoicre teams in this league. We are at mediocre trending to bad![/quote]
And took over 19 win team, a total I doubt he reaches for 3rd time in 4 years…[/quote]

nobody on here is defending major anymore but you need to stop with the took over a 19 win team. that team was mediocre and was run by a troublemaker in spears. the team had to be dismantled. i am not critical of major in terms of recruiting and the talent he assembles, i just do not think he is the coach to help them play to their capabilties but you need to stop with the 19 win team argument.[/quote]

Bobby’s 19 win team was much better then Major’s 21 win team for exactly this reason. "

“Major won 10, 13 and 21 games his first three seasons. But he won 21 with a non-conference schedule so soft it could have been designed by ESPN commentator Seth Greenberg when he coached at Virginia Tech.”

Read more here: http://www.charlotteobserver.com/2014/02/15/4697756/sorensen-charlotte-49ers-basketball.html#.UwAuMGJdVWW#storylink=cpy[/quote]

I don’t really care to rehash which mediocre team was better. It is currently 2014 and our program is in the sh*tter.[/quote] +1. Thank you

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Not a Lutz argument, not sure why he was brought up, the question is Alans own standard. He said on air everyone “wants a quick fix”.

Sorry, but 4yr is ample fix time