I too will give Football a pass for the Covid year but yeah, if we had went 5-1 or so he’d get big ups. It’s a bit hypocritical but depends on how you look at it I suppose.
Rutgers what have they been successful in the past 7-8 years other than one 20 win basketball season? Miami Ohio has had the same football coach since 2014 and he is 38-52 and their basketball hasn’t been more than one game above .500 since 2008-09 season. Hawaii, hasn’t been above .500 in football the past two years and their basketball is middling at best. Navy has had the same athletic director for 20 years no so good try there.
As for the notion of grading Hill compared to App that is a non started consider Doug Gillin took over what was already a well ran athletic department. As for the basketball success they were 13-12 before getting hot and making a run in the conference tournament. That is more than Sanchez has done but App hasn’t been turned into a power Sun Belt team in basketbal. App has been playing football since 1928 and has always been successful. There transition was built on top of that, where our program basically started playing FBS.
Coastal has been a success store for sure and their current AD has been at the school since the 90’s I believe in varying rolls.
I really thought the point was to prove that Hill shouldn’t need more than a couple years but the examples you point out are not of guys who took a program in the dumpster and turn it around in a couple years.
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I gave football a pass for the Covid year until I watched us play this year and we looked just as lost and unprepared. I don’t think last year had as much to do with Covid as it did our coaching staff’s ability to prepare and develop our players. I know Covid didn’t help but this year was just more of what we saw last season.
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I’d write the Covid year off had we played well this year. We had no interruptions this year and were flat bad. Makes last year seem far more on brand than year 1. Going into year 4, I still don’t have the foggiest clue if Healy knows what he is doing.
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I was giving examples of teams that had turnarounds from having shitty seasons to winning the next but it doesn’t matter. Your stance is known, have it
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This is year 4 for Sanchez. I believe he is 38-54. Healy has been here 3 years and is 14-17. That’s more than a couple of years with things trending in the wrong direction for both. It the programs appeared to be improving I could over look the records.
Healy at least brings enthusiasm to the games. I watched the Ark hoops game and wanted to gouge my eyes out
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Preparation and development are two huge gaps they can’t seem to fill.
It’s like Will gets so caught up with being Will he just shoots himself in the foot. He leads us to a bowl game but then just screws off for 2 weeks and has his team totally unprepared and gets blown out.
This year he gets the Duke win and then spends the rest of the year finding ways to lose games and can’t get us to a bowl.
He lacks on the follow through.
In reality he’s likely just 2 wins away from a much better job. He just gets in his own way. May be who he is. Culture.
The AAC’s initial plans were to get Colorado St, Air Force, UAB and us (after Boise’s refusal). Also when the 6 were selected ODU (largest budget and in a big metro area) didn’t make the cut. Being in Charlotte aided us getting into the AAC but there were other factors such as geography (especially TX schools) winning (UAB), and budget.
Getting left in the remnants of CUSA appeared to me to be a real possibility, kudos to Hill for allowing us to avoid that fate. Now if he could have secured the invite a couple of years ago it would have been a bigger game changer but that’s a big ask with our lack of winning at that time.
Yup this year is far more concerning to me S than the CoVid year. I know it’s getting said a lot but next year is a big one for Healy.
Would being in the AAC with Ciny, UCF, and Houston really be good for us though? The teams replacing them give us more chances to get wins rather than coming to a conference as a doormat. There are some still brand names and overall better teams in the AAC than what we were. The goal should be for us to be the next Cincy, not be in a conference with a bunch of teams that are all going to go 10-2 in football… Plus if we move up to a conference it’s always going to be because we are backfilling others. We aren’t Texas or Oklahoma.
Also you all are crazy comparing your careers moving across the state for what…a $50k or at most a $100k pay bump? Jumping from our school up to the next tier as and AD or HC is going to net you and your family millions more, most people will make that decision in a heartbeat!!
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I don’t disagree with what you are saying. Whether we were first choice or 4th choice, the fact that we got in at all had more to do about location than anything else. 75/25, 80/20 or 90/10. I reiterate, if we are in Gadsen, Alabama then we don’t get in.
Exactly… Hill hypothetically moving to the P5 as an AD more than doubles his salary.
Good point. Hypothetically, how do we finish this year in the future AAC in football and basketball?
Someone is full of Holiday cheer today.
If you want to be the best you have to think like the best. If our sales pitch is come here because we’re a stepping stone, we’re never going to be the best. If we aren’t striving to be the best, then let’s just shut it all down because I don’t see the point. It’s just simply the wrong message to be sending. You’re encouraging our fans to jump ship to a P5. Based on your logic everyone should be an Alabama football fan and a Duke basketball fan, because those are arguably the 2 most coveted jobs in the country.
There’s no definitive path or reality. It’s just your path or reality. Others can see it differently. Even if that percentage is small, it doesn’t make it not true. The reality is constantly changing too. 30 years ago Nebraska, FSU, Tenn, Miami, FL, Colorado were arguably 5 of the best programs in the country. Now it’s OSU, Alabama, UGA, ND, Oregon. Yet, Oregon loses their coach to Miami and then was possibly getting their next coach from UCLA.
You gave the examples of OU and ND losing their coaches. Do you think their fans were saying, yep, USC is better than us? It was just the opposite. Tenn was even more vocal after Kiffin took the USC job. UF fans were pissed with Meyer going to OSU. We all know the pecking order in this state between WF and UCH-CH. Yet, you think Wake fans are actively campaigning for their successful coach to become the next football coach for UNC-CH?
Now, is the task at hand difficult, of course. Is the likelihood of a succesfull coach or AD moving on, of course. I wouldn’t begrudge them in doing so either. But it’s the wrong message to be sending, to be encouraging them to leave.
He’s talking about just maintaining a simple dose of reality.
He never said nor insinuated anything about who fans pull for or should pull for. And he never said or insinuated that there are only 2 jobs in the country everyone wants…
His point is just that the reality of where we are and what upper tier jobs are available represents a BIIIIIIIG gap in between. There are not 2 more attractive jobs than here…there are dozens and dozens. That pay more money, have bigger Conference exposure, pay more money, have better facilities, pay more money, have bigger boosters, and that also pay more money.
Not sure how you can argue that.
Again…you might find someone that just wants to be here forever that is also very good but you also might find a supermodel that loves you for your personality and is obsessed with having sex with you 24/7 for the rest of her life too. It’s just not likely. So, if you spend all your time asking out supermodels you’re probably gonna waste a lot time and constantly be disappointed.
He never said or insinuated that Wake Forest fans would campaign for their coach to leave for the UNC job. He’s insinuating that a successful Wake Forest coach moving to a higher tier job should not and would not be shocking to Wake Forest fans and would be ultimately expected.
Understanding where we are in the scheme of things is not a defeatist attitude. Just as in life. Not everyone runs the company. Not everyone manages people. Not everyone sweeps floors. Everyone has dreams of where they want to go…but you don’t go from sweeping floors to owning the company in one step.
We all have the same dream of where we want to go and where we want to be…you just seem to think we can act like we’re there already. Which we are not…and not even remotely close. We got a lot of steps to go…it’s not wrong to have a little self awareness of that. You can have dreams and self awareness…they are not mutually exclusive.
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What TRL said.
I just dont want to hire people that when they get the job at Charlotte think Ive made it to the pinnacle of college athletics. I want them hungry for more.
Eh, sure. But it would be nice for someone to get here and pull a Mark Few. I’m aware we would need to pay a ton more for that to happen.
But yeah, I don’t have an issue being a stepping stone. That would mean we’re winning.
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