Offensive Plan & Game Day Coaching Is TERRIBLE....

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I’m not as concerned with one loss like tonight against ETSU that could of gone either way. My problem is our offensive game plan is brutal. In our offensive sets we score very little. I would say more then half of our points come off transition/turnovers/fouls then points off our offensive set.

Standing 4 guys around the 3pt arch and pass back and forth does nothing for us. What ever happened to penetrating drawling the defense in and then passing out to the open shooter? We do NOT get as many open shots in this offense. This is also causing our Rebounding issues. With 4 guys around the 3pt arch when we shoot it means it leave 1 guy under the basket with a chance to rebound. Chances are, we’ll get beat rebounding every game with this offensive game plan.

And what happens after 36 minutes of running this Offense and failing? Coach changes the play and we turn over the ball and back to the standard 4 guy around the arch for rest of game. Come on, I can’t see how any GUARD would want to play in this offense. It’s brutal…

This reminds me of watching a John Fox offense in Football. Our 49ers offense is brutally boring…

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I think I remember reading this same logic on here a few years ago.

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Or the same thing we saw in recent years when the 2-3 zone was thrown at us. At least we didn’t hold the ball and try to throw over the top. Henry and others looked to penetrate but didn’t.

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We’ve had a lot of open shots in every game, except tonight, just haven’t hit them consistently.

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My last comment on this game. Derrio wasn’t effective but you have to get him back in flow of the game and have to have him in instead of Mayfield up 2 with 8 seconds left. He and Briscoe should have been shooting Fts, not Mayfield.

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THIS IS SO TRUE. Major is proving to be very poor decision maker when it comes to matching personnel with time and score.

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If you were not at the pre-game meal, the scouting report showed we had some serious match up problems. They were bad match-ups even without foul trouble. Braswell’s foul trouble in the first half made it horribly worse.

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I third that, you know they have to foul why are your best FT shooters not in the game? Another example of poor player management. Also, we’re suppose to hang our hat on defense but we give up 44 in the 2nd half not much defense there.

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We missed 5 fts in the game. 4 of them were Mayfield.

Also, I think it is clear that whoever is playing better between Green and Briscoe is going to play.

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Poor player management with the rotation and knowing who you have on the floor relative to the score and time left.

Supposedly a defensive minded team, but yet other teams get into the paint easily and we give up open looks consistently.

Offensively we are stagnant. We station 4 guys around the outside and just swing the ball hoping to get it inside. When that doesn’t work we shoot a three. No cutting, no movement, no nothing.

Bobby’s defense was just as good as this and hell his offensive sets at least set screens for guys.

I know Major is a young head coach and we are going to have to grow with him. I am not throwing in the towel at all, but thus far it feels like as a coach he has regressed. If we don’t see some significant improvement in this team over the next 10 or so games all will not be well in Niner Land.

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The more I watch, the more I’m convinced we don’t have an offensive game plan. We are painful to watch with the ball.

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[quote=“NinerWupAss, post:10, topic:25927”]Poor player management with the rotation and knowing who you have on the floor relative to the score and time left.

Supposedly a defensive minded team, but yet other teams get into the paint easily and we give up open looks consistently.

Offensively we are stagnant. We station 4 guys around the outside and just swing the ball hoping to get it inside. When that doesn’t work we shoot a three. No cutting, no movement, no nothing.

Bobby’s defense was just as good as this and hell his offensive sets at least set screens for guys.

I know Major is a young head coach and we are going to have to grow with him. I am not throwing in the towel at all, but thus far it feels like as a coach he has regressed. If we don’t see some significant improvement in this team over the next 10 or so games all will not be well in Niner Land.[/quote]

Only thing I agree with about this is that we had the wrong person in shooting fts at the end of the game.

We forced 23 turnovers, we gave it back 22 times. They scored easily in transition, we slowed the ball in transition. We moved the ball well on offense and got a lot of open shots, we just couldn’t hit them. Our offense was working to create good shots for the most part, we have to hit them. Or, we had poor passing that lead to easy buckets for the other team. Our defense was really strong in half court sets. Look at how few assists they had vs how well they shot. It was a lot of open floor baskets, not a lot of set plays beating the defense.

Yes, our transition D needs work, but turnovers put you in a huge hole. We need to push the issue in transition, especially if we’re forcing that many turnovers. There were a few times Bras was open under the basket and the man with the ball took up a contested shot instead. There was only one fastbreak play that really stood out as a smart play. Deuce driving, passes off to bras, bras bounce passed back to Deuce for the layup and one. We stopped the ball on the break almost ever time (much to the gentleman behind me’s chagrin). I think that is something we need to work on, especially if we are going to force so many turn overs.

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[quote=“Powerbait, post:12, topic:25927”][quote=“NinerWupAss, post:10, topic:25927”]Poor player management with the rotation and knowing who you have on the floor relative to the score and time left.

Supposedly a defensive minded team, but yet other teams get into the paint easily and we give up open looks consistently.

Offensively we are stagnant. We station 4 guys around the outside and just swing the ball hoping to get it inside. When that doesn’t work we shoot a three. No cutting, no movement, no nothing.

Bobby’s defense was just as good as this and hell his offensive sets at least set screens for guys.

I know Major is a young head coach and we are going to have to grow with him. I am not throwing in the towel at all, but thus far it feels like as a coach he has regressed. If we don’t see some significant improvement in this team over the next 10 or so games all will not be well in Niner Land.[/quote]

Only thing I agree with about this is that we had the wrong person in shooting fts at the end of the game.

We forced 23 turnovers, we gave it back 22 times. They scored easily in transition, we slowed the ball in transition. We moved the ball well on offense and got a lot of open shots, we just couldn’t hit them. Our offense was working to create good shots for the most part, we have to hit them. Or, we had poor passing that lead to easy buckets for the other team. Our defense was really strong in half court sets. Look at how few assists they had vs how well they shot. It was a lot of open floor baskets, not a lot of set plays beating the defense.

Yes, our transition D needs work, but turnovers put you in a huge hole. We need to push the issue in transition, especially if we’re forcing that many turnovers. There were a few times Bras was open under the basket and the man with the ball took up a contested shot instead. There was only one fastbreak play that really stood out as a smart play. Deuce driving, passes off to bras, bras bounce passed back to Deuce for the layup and one. We stopped the ball on the break almost ever time (much to the gentleman behind me’s chagrin). I think that is something we need to work on, especially if we are going to force so many turn overs.[/quote]

I don’t deny we got open looks from swinging the ball - we have been getting them all season. I still don’t like that we have almost no movement in a half court offensive set though. If the jump shots aren’t falling we have to do something besides pass the ball around the perimeter. When everyone collapsed on Braz we rarely had anyone cutting to the basket. Just would like to see more player movement and take care of the damn ball.

Defensively we did cause turnovers but they got into the lane far to easy and got plenty of open shots. I just don’t see this as clamp down D. We were up 10 and rather than smothering them and ending the game we let them make a run. If ETSU does this I am not looking forward to some of our later opponents.

I too wanted to see us push the ball more. Best way to punish a team for a press is to score in transition.

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The defense was/is a joke. Who cares if you get turnovers when you let them shoot 50%? It would actually be a shame for a team to lose shooting that %.

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[quote=“NinerWupAss, post:13, topic:25927”]I don’t deny we got open looks from swinging the ball - we have been getting them all season. I still don’t like that we have almost no movement in a half court offensive set though. If the jump shots aren’t falling we have to do something besides pass the ball around the perimeter. When everyone collapsed on Braz we rarely had anyone cutting to the basket. Just would like to see more player movement and take care of the damn ball.

Defensively we did cause turnovers but they got into the lane far to easy and got plenty of open shots. I just don’t see this as clamp down D. We were up 10 and rather than smothering them and ending the game we let them make a run. If ETSU does this I am not looking forward to some of our later opponents.

I too wanted to see us push the ball more. Best way to punish a team for a press is to score in transition.[/quote]

We got the ball into the interior, but they double teamed Bras the entire game. He had no easy looks and was clearly not operating at 100% (that shot that got stuck on the side of the rim, shooting over the basket, etc.)

There were a few times in the 2-3 that they managed to pass to the baseline and have an open lane the basket. That is, unfortunately, one of the drawbacks to the 2-3.

Most of their easy looks came in transition though, off our bad decisions. We also got outrebounded by a smaller team, but a big part of that was a function of their higher fg % than us for most of the game and us turning them over before they could get a shot in the half court. Of course, we didn’t convert on our transition attempts, so they got easy boards off of that.

There are a lot of things about the game that irked me, but the biggest one is that we had a 4 pt lead with 11 seconds left and we lost because we made poor decision. JB passing the ball back to Mayfield. Major having Mayfield on the court. This is the second time he’s gone to the line in crunch time and been ineffective. That was a poor decision and one he needs to not make again.

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My Summary:

Press kills us
Zone Defense kills us

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[quote=“upperdeck, post:16, topic:25927”]My Summary:

Press kills us[/quote]
Disagree.

Zone Defense kills us
Agree.
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4 guy’s (none of which can hit a shot with any regularity) stand outside of the arc with Braz in the paint and we wonder why he can’t get off.

I remember reading here that Major was better at adapting than the prior regime (coughPUT THORNE INcough)… Looks like we have 1 plan and don’t have the players to execute. I hope they didn’t just come to the realization that we have no one who can shoot. We still look like a one trick pony.

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But now we’re a one trick pony that doesn’t even utilize screens to even try to get guys open. Woop woop.

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The swinging the ball back and forth alone the 3 point line is some of the most disgusting offense I’ve seen. Sure ETSU had turnovers (like us), but they moved the ball in and out much more effectively than us. I figured with bras being double/triple teamed, we would at least get some mid-range shots. Or pull Braz out a bit, and get looks at the rim. I really don’t remember more than 1 or 2 mid-range shots we took.