OT: ODU board votes today on football

ODU board is voting on football today.

http://home.hamptonroads.com/stories/story…7755&ran=130405

When are we getting an advisory board on this again…

If I was an alum of Old Dominion that would be fantastic news… BUT I’M NOT.

It’s pretty bad when ODU can get the ball rolling on this and our school won’t. <_<

ODU
Old
Dirty bastard
University.
How can we get beat by Old, I mean Odu? Damn, Judy blows buffalo nuts!

[b]Asked about an expected future increase in student fees to help fund the sport, Perry said, “Of course we’d want that to be as small as possible. But you’ve got to pay to play. We’re investing in the future of the university.

“Anybody who has bought into ODU’s plan for the future, this feeds right into it. We’re shedding the image of the commuter school. I think it would be incredibly beneficial for ODU.”[/b]

Commuter school, where have I heard that before?

Good luck Old Dominion, you’re a braver school then we have here; And over time, if we don’t get football, you’ll be a much better school aswell.

AGAIN, HOW DOES FOOTBALL MAKE US A BETTER SCHOOL?

I am sick of this comment without substantiation. Does it help our academics? Our curriculum? The only thing football will bring us is a stellar UNC-Pembroke vs. Charlotte Saturday afternoon matchup and MILLIONS of dollars in debt.

Great. Where do I sign up?

Oh ATL, why are you so negative? Life is good! Football is good! School spirit is good!

Is it all that traffic in Atlanta that makes you sad?

Come back to Charlotte for a while, see how our university has grown and is continuing to grow!

Be happy! Football is coming one day! :smiley:

by 2 touchdowns 14-0 vote by the board… ODU moves closer
Board wants ODU playing football by 2009

[i]Originally posted by 49RFootballNow[/i]@Jun 14 2005, 04:41 PM [b] Oh ATL, why are you so negative? Life is good! Football is good! School spirit is good!

Is it all that traffic in Atlanta that makes you sad?

Come back to Charlotte for a while, see how our university has grown and is continuing to grow!

Be happy! Football is coming one day! :smiley: [/b]


I’m not negative…I’m just realistic…and college football/the BCS is the most corrupt system in existence.

You are right though, school spirit is good…great even…we just need to channel it properly and football is a losing game to 80% of schools that are in D1.

And for the record, I don’t commute in Atlanta…I live in Midtown and wouldn’t have moved here if I’d have had to fight traffic. I did enough of that in Charlotte commuting uptown from the University area.

Also, I have seen how our University has grown ever since I first visited in 1994 and football has had absolutely nothing to do with that growth.

I appreciate your enthusiasm and spirit, but we have bigger issues currently other than football.

Making sure the fine print is read…

[b]The university must have received pledges totaling $8 million by June 1, 2006.[/b]
Better be some super deep pockets in Norfolk within 350 days.
[b]Tickets would be priced at $20 each, with projected paid attendance of 6,000. Students wouldn’t have to pay for tickets, but would support football and the other new programs by paying higher activity fees. Those fees would increase gradually over three years and in the end total $7 per credit hour. For a student taking 15 hours of coursework a semester, the addition fee would amount to $210.[/b]
20,800 students are paying $35-42 per game (based on 5-6 home games) for the same $20 tickets in which only 2,300 students will be given free tickets. I'm sorry but IMO, that's not a good deal.
[b]We have a huge untapped market out there. We talk to people all the time who don’t give, and they say it’s because they don’t feel connected to the university. When we ask what we need to do to make them feel connected, they say, 'Start football.’” [/b]

Wonder if Judy would ever ask our alumni the same question?

Who expects to find football fans on a basketball only board anyway?

Mark my words though, football will happen at Charlotte.

Congratulations O.D.U.!

Yes! Congratulations ODU! Now you can look forward to wasting not only your money, but also your Saturdays on that vaunted ODU-Virginia Union matchup!

Can’t wait to tune into ESPN 8, the Ocho, for that one!

Congratulations ODU. I wuld rather watch an ODU vs. Virginia Union football game in person than sit in my boxer shorts at home and read and post on this board.

GO ODU! I do understand that football would cost us some money, but if we continue to step down in conferences (yes the A10 is down… at best it is lateral) we will be losing money across the board anyway! Just because it costs us money is no reason not to do it. Women’s sports costs us tons of money with little return… come to think of it I would bet with the exception of basketball all our sports cost us money with little return! Does that mean we should abandon them all? ODU has the vision and leadership that we do not. I would love to go see the Niners play on the field… against anyone! Going to a football game… even a bad football game is alot of fun! Hanging out… tail gating… seeing students at an event is a blast and something that our current student body misses out on. Basketball games are just games… football games are events!

Now does having football make us a better school? I do not see that correlation. Football simply adds another dimension to what we can offer our students and prospective students. There are plenty of great schools with crappy teams or no teams at all and there are plenty of crappy schools with great programs.

If all these schools… much smaller than us… in markets much smaller than ours can at least attempt to start a team there is no excuse for us. It is simply because Judy Rose and Woodward were against the idea.

The longer we wait the harder and the more expensive it will be. I am still waiting on a letter from the school asking if I want a team and if I can contribute to help start one. Until then the money excuse rings hollow and simply points at lack of desire, commitment, vision and understanding of our place in the collegiate sports arena.

I heard that uncw was making moves to get f-ball. Anyone hear any details on this?
Again, where is the $$$ coming from?

[b]I appreciate your enthusiasm and spirit, but we have bigger issues currently other than football. [/b]

Like what? What issue is more important then football? Please don’t tell me you’re talking about the name change, because its not?

[b]Also, I have seen how our University has grown ever since I first visited in 1994 and football has had absolutely nothing to do with that growth.[/b]

Great and continued growth will eventually mean football. I wonder how much we might have grown had we had football already. Every major NCAA championship winner over the past few years (except Cal St Fullerton) has D1-A football. Football is the heart and soul of college athletics. The NCAA was created because of football. Without football we’ll always be second tier at best

Where do you get this stuff?

Okay, here’s just one item that’s more important to me than college football: GETTING OUR COLLEGE BASKETBALL PROGRAM TO THE NEXT LEVEL. How in the world are we gonna do that if we crap money away on this football pipe dream.

And also, to clarify, the CFA was created because of college football not the NCAA.

So, to summarize my stance, college football is a waste of time. Consider these questions/comments and get back to me.

  1. Where will the money come from?
  2. How will it make money?
  3. How will we improve/take our hoops program to the next level?
  4. Who wants to see UNC-Pembroke vs. Charlotte in football?
  5. It’s too late to start football. We missed our opportunity 10 years ago when we were the last school in CUSA and now we are in a lesser conference that gives us no incentive to start a low level college football program.
  6. The whole college football system is corrupt with the BCS and no playoff and the rich keep getting richer, so I don’t waste my time with college football to begin with.
  7. I’d like to fill seats in Halton before I’d ever like to see an intramural level football game like the ones you propose seeing every Saturday.
  8. I’d like to see a top-tier college basketball coach on campus first.
  9. I’d like to see a disciplined college hoops team on Halton’s floor too.
  10. I could go on and on but this is it. College football simply means nothing to me on any level, Charlotte or not.
[b]And also, to clarify, the CFA was created because of college football not the NCAA.[/b]

In 1910 the Intercollegiate Football Rules Committee changed its name to National Collegiate Athletic Association. Source: Rites of Autumn by Richard Whittingham.

[b]1) Where will the money come from?[/b]

At 20,000 students a $75 student few per semester plus 10,000 summer students will give an income of $3,750,000, I just found half the money for a D1-A program.
At 30,000 students (2015 ad) that # is $5,250,000. Its a start.

[b]2) How will it make money? [/b]

Does the basketball team produce income of significance? Not everthing has MONETARY value.

[b]3) How will we improve/take our hoops program to the next level?[/b]

You won’t, with or without football. We’re in NORTH CAROLINA. Trying to be a top flight basketball program in NC without the ACC is impossible. Getting football is more likely then being better then most NC-ACC programs.

[b]4) Who wants to see UNC-Pembroke vs. Charlotte in football?[/b]

By NCAA rules we as D1 cannot play a D2 school except in exhibition.

[b]5) It's too late to start football. We missed our opportunity 10 years ago when we were the last school in CUSA and now we are in a lesser conference that gives us no incentive to start a low level college football program.[/b]

What’s so special about 1995? We are under no obligation to play all our sports in the same conference.

[b]6) The whole college football system is corrupt with the BCS and no playoff and the rich keep getting richer, so I don't waste my time with college football to begin with.[/b]

True, but its still the #2 sport behind the NFL. Not having it reduces our attraction for potential students and future conferences.

[b]7) I'd like to fill seats in Halton before I'd ever like to see an intramural level football game like the ones you propose seeing every Saturday. [/b]

The only way to fill Halton constantly is to bring top flight teams here. Bobby’s doing the best he can with what he has. As for football, ACC Fball coaches are more willing to play schools like us (see ECU) then their Bball counterparts.

[b]8) I'd like to see a top-tier college basketball coach on campus first. [/b]

Why should he come here? Without football we have no chance to move up conferences to play better competion or to recruit better players.

[b]9) I'd like to see a disciplined college hoops team on Halton's floor too. [/b]

Me too!

[b]10) I could go on and on but this is it. College football simply means nothing to me on any level, Charlotte or not. [/b]

I didn’t expect to find many on this basketball only board, still, football is vital to the future of our athletic programs, that is, if we want them to play the best competion and recieve their proper recognition.

[b]Okay, here's just one item that's more important to me than college football: GETTING OUR COLLEGE BASKETBALL PROGRAM TO THE NEXT LEVEL. How in the world are we gonna do that if we crap money away on this football pipe dream. [/b]

The ONLY way to get to the next level is with football. Every conference shake up will be driven by football and those without football will be relegated to 2nd tier status. We are very very close to seeing this happen to us. Our comperable CUSA brethren stepped up to the Big East, we went sideways at best.

[b]So, to summarize my stance, college football is a waste of time. Consider these questions/comments and get back to me.
  1. Where will the money come from?
  2. How will it make money?
  3. How will we improve/take our hoops program to the next level?
  4. Who wants to see UNC-Pembroke vs. Charlotte in football?
  5. It’s too late to start football. We missed our opportunity 10 years ago when we were the last school in CUSA and now we are in a lesser conference that gives us no incentive to start a low level college football program.
  6. The whole college football system is corrupt with the BCS and no playoff and the rich keep getting richer, so I don’t waste my time with college football to begin with.
  7. I’d like to fill seats in Halton before I’d ever like to see an intramural level football game like the ones you propose seeing every Saturday.
  8. I’d like to see a top-tier college basketball coach on campus first.
  9. I’d like to see a disciplined college hoops team on Halton’s floor too.
  10. I could go on and on but this is it. College football simply means nothing to me on any level, Charlotte or not. [/b]

1.Money can come from corporate sponsors, the community, students and alumni. Until a realistic comprehensive cost analysis is done the money arguement holds no water.
2.Football would generate more interest in our school. This can lead to increased merchandising, increases application fees, more alumni giving, possible TV contracts with established conferences and ofcourse the gate at the games.
3.Without atleast the prospect of football we will never break into one of the power conferences. Those conferences are the ones that win championships and recruiting battles.
4.I will go see a UNC Charlotte vs. anyone game. While playing LaSalle in basketball gets no one excited, the mere thought of a football game will bring interest. Even at Duke the football games are a blast and they suck (yes I have been to plenty of Duke games)!
5.It is never too late. If you accept that it is too late you are dooming yourself with your “get to the next level” quest for the basketball team.
6.The BCS will change at some point, and besides we would not be able to be D-1 for awhile anyway. Have you ever been to an App State game? Huge fun and at their level no BCS mess.
7.Seats at Halton will never be filled the way you would like without football. We make it too easy for our students to maintain their ties to other schools. Many spend their fall weekends where the party is… at a football game in Chapel Hill, Raleigh or somewhere else. If you want Halton filled give the students a reason to stay on campus in the fall and kick their prior fan hoods to the curb.
8.Top-Tier basketball will never happen witthout football. Where are we going to take top-tier recruits to convince them to sign with us? Big schools take them to a football game… show them the excitement… we take them to where? Concord Mills where they can watch a game at Jillians?
9.This comment has nothing to do with a football team.
10.You obviously are not a football fan in the first place. That my friend makes you the minority in this country. Football is the #1 sport… basketball and baseball are WAY behind.

I think you just have a personal objection to football and that even IF the school started a team meeting all the things you asked for you would still not support it.

I love you guys’ passion but unless you have some very deep pockets this is never gonna fly. I’d be willing to bet that it doesn’t at ODU. Raising [b]$8 million/B] in 350 days?

Also consider these figures…

  • Students taking 15 hours a semester will pay $1,890 for all student activities in the coming school year.

  • The estimated costs of football, plus women’s crew, softball and volleyball would grow from $1.3 million in 2007-08 to $9.9 million in 2014-15.

  • The capital costs to start up the four sports – including outfitting Foreman Field with nine luxury suites, building locker rooms and other amenities – would be $27 million.

How big is all of this? The costs for beginning four sports at ODU is $35 million!

Board votes 14-0 in favor of reviving ODU football, The Virginian-Pilot