the formula hasnât changed since the days when we were ALWAYS in the top 40[/QUOTE]
Yes it has. The 1.4/.6 away/home rule makes a huge difference.
Our RPI woes are due primarily to not winning enough road games, opponents be damned.
Yes it has. The 1.4/.6 away/home rule makes a huge difference.Our RPI woes are due primarily to not winning enough road games, opponents be damned.
The RPI is not biased against us as he insinuated.
What would our RPI be if we were undefeated?
[QUOTE=VA49er;282781]What would our RPI be if we were undefeated?[/QUOTE]
#1.
What would our RPI be if we were undefeated?#22.
Our opponents suck. :unhappy:
:lmao::weep:the formula hasnât changed since the days when we were ALWAYS in the top 40
our conference has
Here's my method (I don't factor in home/road):Todayâs simple RPI
Record: (9-5) 0.643 [x25%]
Opponentâs Record (87-85) 0.506 [x50%]
Opponentâs Opponentâs Record ~0.500 [x25%]
= 0.5386Simple RPI assuming wins over Hofstra & Monmouth
Record: (11-3) 0.786 [x25%]
Opponentâs Record (85-87) 0.494 [x50%]
Opponentâs Opponentâs Record ~0.500 [x25%]
= 0.5685Improve +0.299
It would have bumped us from #116 to #72.
Let me re-state a few things.
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The âsimpleâ home-loss record does not apply. In order to get the correct RPI, you must take into consideration where our wins/losses take place. We are 7-1 at home, 1-2 away, and 1-2 neutral. Yes, that does convert âsimplyâ into 9-5 (.6429). But, the the new RPI, we are 4.2-1.4 at home, 1.4-1.2 away and 1-2 neutral. That makes us 6.6-4.6 (.5893) for the year.
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You have our opponents as 87-85 (.506) for the year. The opponentâs winning percentage is NOT the aggregate wins-aggregate losses. You must figure each opponentâs winning percentage SEPARATELY, then average them together. When you do this, you get an opponentâs winning percentage of .5124.
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The opponentâs opponents winning percentage is figured the same as #2. When you do this, the opponentâs opponentâs winning percentage is .5228.
Assuming wins against Monmouth (Neutral) and Hofstra (Away), you would get these new numbers:
Our winning percentage .7500
Opponents winning percentage .5124 (unchanged)
Opponentâs Opponents winning percentage .5338
(.25*.75) + (.5*.5124)+ (.25*.5338) = .5772, which would be good for #52-55.
What would our RPI be if we were undefeated?
#1.
#22.Our opponents suck. :unhappy:
If we were undefeated, weâd have an RPI of .6438, which would be good for #9.
[QUOTE=cptn319;282808]Let me re-state a few things.
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The âsimpleâ home-loss record does not apply. In order to get the correct RPI, you must take into consideration where our wins/losses take place. We are 7-1 at home, 1-2 away, and 1-2 neutral. Yes, that does convert âsimplyâ into 9-5 (.6429). But, the the new RPI, we are 4.2-1.4 at home, 1.4-1.2 away and 1-2 neutral. That makes us 6.6-4.6 (.5893) for the year.
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You have our opponents as 87-85 (.506) for the year. The opponentâs winning percentage is NOT the aggregate wins-aggregate losses. You must figure each opponentâs winning percentage SEPARATELY, then average them together. When you do this, you get an opponentâs winning percentage of .5124.
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The opponentâs opponents winning percentage is figured the same as #2. When you do this, the opponentâs opponentâs winning percentage is .5228.
Assuming wins against Monmouth (Neutral) and Hofstra (Away), you would get these new numbers:
Our winning percentage .7500
Opponents winning percentage .5124 (unchanged)
Opponentâs Opponents winning percentage .5338
(.25*.75) + (.5*.5124)+ (.25*.5338) = .5772, which would be good for #52-55.[/QUOTE]
sigh
why does everything always have to be so damn complicated? I blame Syracuse.
[QUOTE]Opponents winning percentage .5124 (unchanged)[/QUOTE]
I still donât get that. If our opponents lose to us twice⌠then how could their winning percentages be unchanged?
*sigh*why does everything always have to be so damn complicated? I blame Syracuse.
I still donât get that. If our opponents lose to us twice⌠then how could their winning percentages be unchanged?
It seems that Syracuse takes the blame for alot of things, no? Or was that Canada?
OK⌠Opponentâs winning percentages⌠let me give a quick example.
Charlotte has played against Monmouth, which is 4-11 overall. When figuring Monmouthâs winning percentage for Charlotteâs RPI, you do not include the win over Charlotte (or loss, if that were the case)⌠thus, making Monmouthâs record 3-11 for calculating Charlotteâs RPI.
Letâs assume that Charlotte defeated Monmouth. That would make Monmouthâs overall record 3-12. Again, you do not figure this game when calculating RPI for Charlotte. Taking that loss out of the equation, Monmouthâs record for calculating Charlotteâs RPI is 3-11-- the same as when calculating a Monmouth win over Charlotte. This would be the case for all of the other opponents (if you were to switch a loss for a win or vice versa).
I hope this helps.
[QUOTE=Mike Niner Hunt;282705]What a shockâŚ[/QUOTE]
bagâŚ
I just did a quick "what if" we had won the Hofstra and Monmouth games. If we had won those, our RPI would be in the 52-55 range.Everybody that wants to give Lutz an extension should read this.
[QUOTE=EJNiner;283252]still an asshole and probably still in school[/QUOTE]
Youâre half wrong, Iâm not in school.
Real simple. Every game, the SOS schedule moves depending on who you play. IF all of the tough A-10 games are in late February and early March, our SOS will stay high until we play those games. Fairly simple, really.
Please review the âcode of conductâ at the top of the page please.
[QUOTE=Mike Niner Hunt;283692]Youâre half wrong, Iâm not in school. [/QUOTE]
:lmao: :lmao: :lmao:
[QUOTE=Over40NINER;283696]:lmao: :lmao: :lmao:[/QUOTE]
Saw ya at the game Over40, we need to drink a couple of beers this season.
We are #119 with schedule strength of 123. Wake and State are 73 & 79 respectively with schedule strengths of 231 & 215. I'll never understand this formula...
I was bit***** about it in another thread. Here are some of the problems that Iâve seen. It doesnât consider head to head comparisons at all. So when comparing Charlotte and WF, as far as a RPI goes, it doesnât matter that we beat them head-to-head. It doesnât matter how much a team loses by. In fact, somebody can lose to a good team by 40 and be ahead, RPI wise, of Charlotte losing to Monmouth by 2, if the team they lost to by 40 has a good win/loss percentage. In other words, they weigh an opponentâs record too heavily. Just a week ago NC A&T was 80 spots ahead of us in the RPI. Their record was 1-8 and had been blown out by more than 30 in 5 of those games.
I was bit***** about it in another thread. Here are some of the problems that I've seen. It doesn't consider head to head comparisons at all. So when comparing Charlotte and WF, as far as a RPI goes, it doesn't matter that we beat them head-to-head. It doesn't matter how much a team loses by. In fact, somebody can lose to a good team by 40 and be ahead, RPI wise, of Charlotte losing to Monmouth by 2, if the team they lost to by 40 has a good win/loss percentage. In other words, they weigh an opponent's record too heavily. Just a week ago NC A&T was 80 spots ahead of us in the RPI. Their record was 1-8 and had been blown out by more than 30 in 5 of those games.
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Head to head comparisons donât factor into pitcherâs ERAs, either.
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You either win or you lose. Thereâs no in-between. âYeah, but we only lost to Monmouth by 2â is like nails on a chalkboard to me.
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NC A&T is now 50 spots behind us ⌠because theyâre not playing Tennessee, Pitt, Washington St., Miami, etc. any more. Theyâll continue to drop until the end of the season. RPI rewards teams that schedule strong - which is why schools in the top conferences benefit.
- Head to head comparisons don't factor into pitcher's ERAs, either.
You either win or you lose. Thereâs no in-between. âYeah, but we only lost to Monmouth by 2â is like nails on a chalkboard to me.
NC A&T is now 50 spots behind us ⌠because theyâre not playing Tennessee, Pitt, Washington St., Miami, etc. any more. Theyâll continue to drop until the end of the season. RPI rewards teams that schedule strong - which is why schools in the top conferences benefit.
I understand. My point is that the RPI has flows too. Is it better than just using the AP poll and over-all records? Perhaps. But even though A&T is 50 spots behind us now, they should have never been 80 spots ahead us with a 1-8 record. Thatâs what I mean by it weighing opponents winning % to heavily. It rewards a team losing to say Kansas by 40 than a team losing to Monmouth by 2. That doesnât suggest Iâm bragging about losing to Monmouth by 2 as your suggesting.
[QUOTE=Normmm;283942]I understand. My point is that the RPI has flows too. Is it better than just using the AP poll and over-all records? Perhaps. But even though A&T is 50 spots behind us now, they should have never been 80 spots ahead us with a 1-8 record. Thatâs what I mean by it weighing opponents winning % to heavily. It rewards a team losing to say Kansas by 40 than a team losing to Monmouth by 2. That doesnât suggest Iâm bragging about losing to Monmouth by 2 as your suggesting.[/QUOTE]
Except youâre talking about the RPI before conference play even starts. No one is going to say that the RPI 10 games into the season is an accurate prediction of where it will be at the end of the season.
I understand. My point is that the RPI has flows too. Is it better than just using the AP poll and over-all records? Perhaps. But even though A&T is 50 spots behind us now, they should have never been 80 spots ahead us with a 1-8 record. That's what I mean by it weighing opponents winning % to heavily. It rewards a team losing to say Kansas by 40 than a team losing to Monmouth by 2. That doesn't suggest I'm bragging about losing to Monmouth by 2 as your suggesting.
I know youâre not bragging - but whenever I hear a fan of some team bring up the fact that they lose close ⌠I say to myself, âWho cares?â I think Jeff Sagarin factors in blowouts in his ratings - which I donât like. If Memphis runs up the score, theyâll benefit over a stronger team that puts in its reserves late.
Nebraska got destroyed last year by Kansas 92-39. Rider, Mount St. Maryâs and St. Peterâs lost by one point to Monmouth last year. I donât mind Nebraska being rated as a stronger team - due to the high level of competition they have for themselves.
Besides, RPI should be treated like a stat. Itâs up to each person to come up with their own personal feelings.