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Calling kevinharbin⌠I think this a great idea. :))
clt blames chp for the rock underground
I heard Bonnie Cone had the rocks planted all over campus and then covered with dirt so a football stadium could never be built. You know, since her son was paralyzed playing football and all⌠;D
Did you have to stand or were there seats with chairbacks, cushions, and cupholders?
Well, somebody could climb the pole for the EPIC webcam and turn it a few degrees clockwise⌠
Well, somebody could climb the pole for the EPIC webcam and turn it a few degrees clockwiseâŚ
http://oxblue.com/pro/open/turner/epic[/quote]
Hehe, well letâs see what happens hereâŚ
http://www.landdesign.com/work/projects/on-the-boards/EPIC-UNCC-Building.aspx
This has the stadium mixed inâŚwhat a sight!
Just a little background - I work for a small company that does geotech work. My boss has done some pretty extensive travel all over the world, particularly the middle-east (and can he tell stories about being a white dude in some off-beat areas). About 2 weeks ago, a couple co-workers were hired to travel to western Mexico to investigate earthquake damage and I believe weâve even done work as far south as South America. A âtypical?â job might be, say, a 20-story building with a 3-story underground parking garage to be constructed above organic material. Weâll have to perform a soil investigation, design the xx-ton titan piles, set up crack gauges or liquid-leveling to monitor the neighboring buildings, design the staged underpinning, design the steel work and the wood-lagged H-Pile walls that will support the excavation, handle 275lb recently paroled construction workers, and so on. I donât think we were ever hired for stadium work, although I thumbed through a file in the cabinet about the Metsâ Citi Field in Queens, NY).
Strong, shallow bedrock, is rarely a problem and itâs so much cheaper to build on it. And when I say ârockâ, donât think big round boulders that you can scoop out ⌠more like a thick layer of the earthâs crust. Mother nature can create a building material much stronger than anything man can duplicate - which can be very convenient for foundation design.
Iâm trying to think of examples where shallow bedrock did pose a challenge. I was on one job where we had to figure out a way to build two adjacent lap pools for two very wealthy neighbors whose homes were build directly on Schist bedrock. (one neighbor came from Disney money). And they wanted those lap pools to be built in their basements. Woe to the contractor that had to navigate the removal of bedrock for a freakinâ swimming pool in a basement with relatively narrow headroom.
Another job was when someone bought a nice, large corner lot (maybe 200âx200â) in a very urban area that had the misfortune of outcropping of bedrock that jutted 15-30â out of the ground straight up and then kind of plateued in the middle. There was a shanty town on top of the bedrock with tents for the homeless (they did have an awesome view, I just donât know how the hell they got up there. We had to use makeshift ladders and tie rope to trees.) The contractor called me on my cell at the site and asked me the best way of getting a drill rig on the site. I responded, âUhm⌠helicopter?â ;D (we used a crane to hoist up a portable rig and re-assembled the pieces at the top). The other thing I remember about that job was the icy conditions in the dead of winter- I nearly killed myself several times by tumbling right off the rock onto the street below while taking surveying elevation shots. The building plans were fascinating - rather than blast or cut the bedrock, they planned on building from the ground where they could, and then third story of the building directly on the Prudential-like outcrop. The only place where they planned rock removal was for the elevator. So when you walked along the street, all you would see is rock-rock-rock-rock-elevator-rock-rock-rock-rock.
When I heard about the football stadium project, it sounded basic. Layer-of-topsoil/fill-then-bedrock? Easy 'nuff. So I was pretty skeptical when I heard, âOh yeah. We canât build the football stadium. Sorry, no program for you. Thereâs, uhm, shallow bedrock. Canât construct a grass field on that, nossir.â âWhy not?â âYou wouldnât understand.â
But now the picture is becoming clearer. The bedrock has got to be granite, no? Granite is a well-loved for itâs strength. If there was a hill where Halton is now, it isnât unreasonable to assume that they needed to level off a sloping âhillâ of granite bedrock there. I wish metro was here since I think heâd know a lot more than I do about construction equipment used for granite (without blasting) but maybe the contractor misinterpreted the amount of weathering of the rock and assumed he could just chip it away with a hoe ram or something. Just a guess, I really donât know. Also, I see the stages in the design of the stadium now. The lower bowl is intentionally sunk into the ground with the intention of one day building the upper bowl at level ground. Hopefully, that fill layer is deep and the excavation wonât pose much problems.
One thing I do know for sure - conditions underground can change dramatically even at distances of five feet apart. You really wonât know the depth or conditions of the rock unless you investigate. Depending on the geotech reportâs conclusions, there may be some changes to help lower costs or there may be no changes whatsoever. So far so good, I guess.
If they find some undiscovered animalâs habitat in the dirt that causes PETA to shut us down, I will assanitate said animal! >:D
Yikes. I guess everyone needs love.
[quote=âsurvivor45, post:28, topic:23753â]When I heard about the football stadium project, it sounded basic. Layer-of-topsoil/fill-then-bedrock? Easy 'nuff. So I was pretty skeptical when I heard, âOh yeah. We canât build the football stadium. Sorry, no program for you. Thereâs, uhm, shallow bedrock. Canât construct a grass field on that, nossir.â âWhy not?â âYou wouldnât understand.â
But now the picture is becoming clearer. The bedrock has got to be granite, no? Granite is a well-loved for itâs strength. If there was a hill where Halton is now, it isnât unreasonable to assume that they needed to level off a sloping âhillâ of granite bedrock there. I wish metro was here since I think heâd know a lot more than I do about construction equipment used for granite (without blasting) but maybe the contractor misinterpreted the amount of weathering of the rock and assumed he could just chip it away with a hoe ram or something. Just a guess, I really donât know. Also, I see the stages in the design of the stadium now. The lower bowl is intentionally sunk into the ground with the intention of one day building the upper bowl at level ground. Hopefully, that fill layer is deep and the excavation wonât pose much problems.
One thing I do know for sure - conditions underground can change dramatically even at distances of five feet apart. You really wonât know the depth or conditions of the rock unless you investigate. Depending on the geotech reportâs conclusions, there may be some changes to help lower costs or there may be no changes whatsoever. So far so good, I guess.[/quote]
Another important question is where did the fill for that site come from? I assume a majority of those rec fields were fill simply based on the topography due to toby creeks presence. If its anything like what phase IX is being built on, well, the contractor is going to be taking a lot of soil out and bringing a lot of new soil in. I really wish I could be in on this projectâŚ
clt just hopes that the contractor doesnât build the stadium in the wrong configuration like the sac.
[quote=âzerogeneticsdc, post:31, topic:23753â][quote=âsurvivor45, post:28, topic:23753â]When I heard about the football stadium project, it sounded basic. Layer-of-topsoil/fill-then-bedrock? Easy 'nuff. So I was pretty skeptical when I heard, âOh yeah. We canât build the football stadium. Sorry, no program for you. Thereâs, uhm, shallow bedrock. Canât construct a grass field on that, nossir.â âWhy not?â âYou wouldnât understand.â
But now the picture is becoming clearer. The bedrock has got to be granite, no? Granite is a well-loved for itâs strength. If there was a hill where Halton is now, it isnât unreasonable to assume that they needed to level off a sloping âhillâ of granite bedrock there. I wish metro was here since I think heâd know a lot more than I do about construction equipment used for granite (without blasting) but maybe the contractor misinterpreted the amount of weathering of the rock and assumed he could just chip it away with a hoe ram or something. Just a guess, I really donât know. Also, I see the stages in the design of the stadium now. The lower bowl is intentionally sunk into the ground with the intention of one day building the upper bowl at level ground. Hopefully, that fill layer is deep and the excavation wonât pose much problems.
One thing I do know for sure - conditions underground can change dramatically even at distances of five feet apart. You really wonât know the depth or conditions of the rock unless you investigate. Depending on the geotech reportâs conclusions, there may be some changes to help lower costs or there may be no changes whatsoever. So far so good, I guess.[/quote]
Another important question is where did the fill for that site come from? I assume a majority of those rec fields were fill simply based on the topography due to toby creeks presence. If its anything like what phase IX is being built on, well, the contractor is going to be taking a lot of soil out and bringing a lot of new soil in. I really wish I could be in on this projectâŚ[/quote]
Sounds to me like that would be another good reason to bid as unclassified. Put all the monetary guesswork on the grading sub with respect to possible rock and cut and fill quantities. Iâd much rather overpay a little for an unclassified bid than find out halfway through grading/foundations that your cost will jump by who knows how much. How does the university normally handle these projects do they hire the GC and the grading contractor or do they hire the GC based on total bid and he would bring his own grading sub.
Hopefully the soil tests turn out ok and there wonât be much of an issue but if the university is trying to keep costs to a minimum unclassified bid would be the way to go.
[quote=âKingNiner17, post:27, topic:23753â]http://www.landdesign.com/work/projects/on-the-boards/EPIC-UNCC-Building.aspx
This has the stadium mixed inâŚwhat a sight![/quote]
Also, PORTAL has lost its dome in that drawing http://www.jnpease.com/portfolio/detail.cfm/id/A54250DE-19B9-E193-F47B867CF43D4CA9
Oh I didnt know this. Elaborate please?
Is that a new mineral 
Gill I didnât have spell check. Itâs when you kill someone or something.
assassinate?
Yes, PB.
i am not for a webcam until construction starts.