Study: Football would spike U Charlotte fees

  1. Wouldn’t this be a good opportunity to run a story on funding provided (historically) to the 16 campus system and where Charlotte falls with-in the mix. How many projects, like the SAC were we responsible for raising the funds to “get it done”. Charlotte has been tasked to grow in order to provide space for the number of high school grads that want to pursue higher education and it doesn’t appear the state/system is providing the funds to do so.

  2. Was it Spangler that said if a student wanted to attend a school with football than they should consider unc-ch or ncsu? I was under the assumption that they allocated all their spots for freshmen, so this isn’t really an option.

  3. My daughter, a fall 2007 freshman at charlotte will transfer. It’s unfortunate, but having lived in Raleigh and attended state football games she missed the college football atmosphere. She still considers herself to be more of a niner and has attended 150+ Charlotte basketball games but she wants the most out of her college experience. She only regrets that we weren’t having the football conversation 8 years ago.

I have a hard time believing it will really take $7 Million a year to run our program, when no D-1AA program spends close to that, and even some D-1A teams don’t either. I know ours includes Title IX implications, and initial start up costs, but I would think after a year or two we wouldn’t be paying so much, atleast until the jump to D-1A. I want to be highly competitive and to have this be a success, but let’s be realistic here and not commit financial suicide.

getting in the Big East is the elixir to finances. CUSA football pays out roughly 600k according to Indy Star, and Big East football teams get about 3m from BCS. I based this off of Cincy’s last year of CUSA and UCONN football. Neither team two years ago was good.

[URL]http://www2.indystar.com/NCAA_financial_reports/revenue_stat/show[/URL]

I have a hard time believing it will really take $7 Million a year to run our program, when no D-1AA program spends close to that, and even some D-1A teams don't either. I know ours includes Title IX implications, and initial start up costs, but I would think after a year or two we wouldn't be paying so much, atleast until the jump to D-1A. I want to be highly competitive and to have this be a success, but let's be realistic here and not commit financial suicide.
I think Mac Everett is an extrememly smart businessman and has presented an extremely detailed and well thought out plan covering all costs including title nine. I think it is way off base for you to suggest he is asking us to committ financial suicide.
clt mocks your sentence structure.....where did you go to college?

clt is MK’s hero.:lmao::lmao:

I think Mac Everett is an extrememly smart businessman and has presented an extremely detailed and well thought out plan covering all costs including title nine. I think it is way off base for you to suggest he is asking us to committ financial suicide.

I’m not way off base and it’s no shot at Mac Everett, I’ve met him and would be the first to tell you he’s a nice and approachable guy, and is doing wonders for this school, but to see the budgets for other schools and see what is proposed for us makes me wonder why our total was put so high.

If the numbers are put up that high and it gets passed and we undershoot those operating costs, well then Everett is one bad ass businessman (Like purposely overpricing something you sell, then when you get talked down, the buyer feels good and you still feel good b/c you still got equal or more value then you should have), but if this is a reason we get denied a team (b/c this cost is directly related to the rise in student fees), then you have to wonder why? and what should have been?

I’m just someone that isn’t totally nieve and takes everyone for their word, I just want all bases covered, sometimes that is a problem and sometimes it is not.

[QUOTE=919R;300485]I guess my point is the article and headlines stress that it would be the highest “athletic fees” in the system, yet fails to really point out that overall student fees (to me thats the bottomline) would still NOT be the highest.[/QUOTE] I noticed the same thing. Someone just called and told me they’re opposed to the TUITION at “UNCC” being the highest in the state just so we can have football.

Good article. Lousy headlines.

[QUOTE=CharSFNiners;300516]I’m not way off base and it’s no shot at Mac Everett, I’ve met him and would be the first to tell you he’s a nice and approachable guy, and is doing wonders for this school, but to see the budgets for other schools and see what is proposed for us makes me wonder why our total was put so high.

If the numbers are put up that high and it gets passed and we undershoot those operating costs, well then Everett is one bad ass businessman (Like purposely overpricing something you sell, then when you get talked down, the buyer feels good and you still feel good b/c you still got equal or more value then you should have), but if this is a reason we get denied a team (b/c this cost is directly related to the rise in student fees), then you have to wonder why? and what should have been?

I’m just someone that isn’t totally nieve and takes everyone for their word, I just want all bases covered, sometimes that is a problem and sometimes it is not.[/QUOTE]

I think just like many budgets they tried to go on the high side. Budget the worst case scenerio and then hope for better.

I think just like many budgets they tried to go on the high side. Budget the worst case scenerio and then hope for better.

That’s what I’m hoping. It will mean better return on their product, and show the UNC system they’re not going to blow their money and put it where their mouth is.

[QUOTE=NLP;300455]I excluded any mention of facilities from the article for a couple reasons.

-too soon

-by the time we’re in FBS I think BofA stadium will be Field Turf, and the Richardsons more amenable to us using the facility without fear of tearing up the sod the day before a game (but still at a price of course)

-facilities are much more likely to get one-time whale donations because people like hanging their names on things, possibly reducing the bill by at least $15 million[/QUOTE]

That would be ideal, but I was told by a Panthers official that Jerry would ALWAYS have a natural grass field.

I like that Dubois seems to be riding this funding deficiency some. He needs to. It was a point that needed to be made in that article considering it's subject.

QFT. Come on Phil, speak up where you see an injustice. The whole school is behind you.

Everyone should go online and read for themselves the report submitted by Mac Everett and his committee. It is easily avilable in its entirity. Read in and not just the Observers’ slant on it. Anyone can take either side with items out of context and make a case. Read the report and make your own decision.

wow… thats me and my boys chilling at the wall yesterday… i didnt even know that a pic was even being taken… really weird

[QUOTE=chasmo101;300503]1. Wouldn’t this be a good opportunity to run a story on funding provided (historically) to the 16 campus system and where Charlotte falls with-in the mix. How many projects, like the SAC were we responsible for raising the funds to “get it done”. Charlotte has been tasked to grow in order to provide space for the number of high school grads that want to pursue higher education and it doesn’t appear the state/system is providing the funds to do so.
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Hey, how ‘expensive’ would football be if out of all this discussion Charlotte finally get’s to just the average (#8 vs #12) in state funding? Uh huh, you got my point.

[QUOTE=Mike_Persinger;300472]Mike P points out that alumni should be ashamed if they don’t increase their donation by at least the $300 students will be forced to pay.[/QUOTE]

The student fee increase also gets students access to tickets.

Ergo, a reasonable expectation would be for alums to buy season tickets and supplement their yearly donation with the difference.

[QUOTE=Roasty;300648]The student fee increase also gets students access to tickets.

Ergo, a reasonable expectation would be for alums to buy season tickets and supplement their yearly donation with the difference.[/QUOTE]

That would be a reasonable expectation if you increase by $225 for each ticket you purchase (plus the $75 ticket cited in the report is $300), but I suspect people won’t do that. But $300, honestly, won’t get you there in my fairness book if you don’t find far more than the current 1,000 donors.

[QUOTE=Mike_Persinger;300654]That would be a reasonable expectation if you increase by $225 for each ticket you purchase (plus the $75 ticket cited in the report is $300), but I suspect people won’t do that. But $300, honestly, won’t get you there in my fairness book if you don’t find far more than the current 1,000 donors.[/QUOTE]

The grassroots campaign started by Jimmy (and helped by myself and the rest of the CFI/S) worked under significantly different constraints and access to no significant source of leads. In fact, a lot of the higher-end leads Jimmy DID have, he steered clear from so as to not potentially ruin the relationship with them (in other words, it was better to let the school approach them when an official campaign was underway rather than asking them to submit fantasy dollars to us).

A campaign under the official school banner will garner a surprising amount of support, I think. It would be BIG NEWS, and should be reported as such (hint! hint!):biggrin::biggrin:

[QUOTE=CharSFNiners;300505]I have a hard time believing it will really take $7 Million a year to run our program, when no D-1AA program spends close to that[/QUOTE]

The $7.7 million figure is not for only football.

[B][U]Football[/U] = $5,572,895[/B]

  • Scholarships = $1,379,840
  • Coaches = $1,409,400
  • Football Staff = $820,995
  • Expenses (Travel, recruiting, game guarantees, rent, equipment, officials, video, training, etc.) = $1,962,660

[U]Additional Staff[/U] (marketing directors, ass’t ADs, etc) = $1,015,101

[U]Women’s Field Hockey, Lacrosse, and Swimming[/U] = $577,239

[U]Other[/U] (marching band, promotional printing expenses, etc.) = $574,000

Cost of Football = $7,739,235

But you can’t add football without the Title IX sports, so those are related and necessary costs.

[QUOTE=Mike_Persinger;300674]But you can’t add football without the Title IX sports, so those are related and necessary costs.[/QUOTE]

Yes.

But SF was comparing Charlotte’s football budget to the football budgets of other programs - and was wondering why Charlotte’s budget was so high. It’s because the other programs are listing women’s lacrosse expenses under ‘women’s lacrosse’ and we are listing women’s lacrosse expenses under ‘football’.