UNC Charlotte College Town

the first and second plans (o’dell & assoc. and caudell-rowlett-scott, a TX firm who specialized in campus planning) were explicit in their intent to keep vehicular traffic out of the heart of the campus. it was to remain as compact as possible and pedestrian oriented. it was also a principle that parking would be located on high points and in decks so you wouldn’t look out over a vista and see parked cars. for anybody who’s really interested, there was a lot of material generated by both planning processes. the c-r-s process went on for a year or so and involved faculty, students, and townspeople. a ‘major’ undertaking! i’m sure the library has all of it.

the fiasco has been the poor planning of the transportation system (sic) AROUND the campus! what a disaster!!!

[quote=“jfickett, post:13, topic:24333”]To be honest, I think our campus is designed horribly. When we moved out here in 1964(?) there was NOTHING here. We could have master-planned the school to be set up like a town, with a grid of streets for easy access on and off campus and no real distinction between where the campus ends and the college town begins (if the rest of the area’s developers caught on, which I can’t see why they wouldn’t).

I think our campus is beautiful, the hills and plateaus make for some very nice vistas from certain places on and off campus. But the circulation is absolutely atrocious, there aren’t enough roads on campus and the ones that exist just basically circle the perimeter (with the exception of Cameron blvd that runs in front of the Union which will be closed within the next couple years.) We are boxed in by highways with minimal entrance and exit points, essentially making the campus a big island that is really hard to access. Had we actually had some vision and foresight (I know, I know, impossible for UNC Charlotte in any facet) we could have made this campus more accessible by foot or bus for commuters, alleviated the traffic problem, and given the U-City area a real “college town” feel before all the suburban sprawl caught up. There would be a higher likelihood of a “franklin street” type road emerging here too, which would do wonders for the “suitcase” problem we have.

Just another blunder in the long list of things this school could have nipped in the bud with a little vision. Oh well.[/quote]

This sounds all well and good today, but if you know the history of the school we had to scrap and fight for every dime even more so back in the 60s (and before) than we do now (hard to believe I know). There was no money for such things (as real planning). We used every dime to pay for the basics (concrete office buildings/classrooms) and roads were cut in as cheaply as possible as well. Also, I think the real problems with our design is not the on-campus layout, but the off-campus area. The highways and strip malls, but remember when those were built (the 70s and 80s primarily) and don’t forget the areas around campus were not owned by the school and thus there was only so much that we could plan/prevent within the private sector. This was after the collapse of real “Downtown” layouts, during the era of urban/suburban sprawl. In the last 10-20 years, design has come full circle and the downtown, urban feel is king again. We are making efforts to do some of that, but we have simply been the victim of poor funding and bad timing, IMO.

[quote=“919R, post:22, topic:24333”][quote=“jfickett, post:13, topic:24333”]To be honest, I think our campus is designed horribly. When we moved out here in 1964(?) there was NOTHING here. We could have master-planned the school to be set up like a town, with a grid of streets for easy access on and off campus and no real distinction between where the campus ends and the college town begins (if the rest of the area’s developers caught on, which I can’t see why they wouldn’t).

I think our campus is beautiful, the hills and plateaus make for some very nice vistas from certain places on and off campus. But the circulation is absolutely atrocious, there aren’t enough roads on campus and the ones that exist just basically circle the perimeter (with the exception of Cameron blvd that runs in front of the Union which will be closed within the next couple years.) We are boxed in by highways with minimal entrance and exit points, essentially making the campus a big island that is really hard to access. Had we actually had some vision and foresight (I know, I know, impossible for UNC Charlotte in any facet) we could have made this campus more accessible by foot or bus for commuters, alleviated the traffic problem, and given the U-City area a real “college town” feel before all the suburban sprawl caught up. There would be a higher likelihood of a “franklin street” type road emerging here too, which would do wonders for the “suitcase” problem we have.

Just another blunder in the long list of things this school could have nipped in the bud with a little vision. Oh well.[/quote]

This sounds all well and good today, but if you know the history of the school we had to scrap and fight for every dime even more so back in the 60s (and before) than we do now (hard to believe I know). There was no money for such things (as real planning). We used every dime to pay for the basics (concrete office buildings/classrooms) and roads were cut in as cheaply as possible as well. Also, I think the real problems with our design is not the on-campus layout, but the off-campus area. The highways and strip malls, but remember when those were built (the 70s and 80s primarily) and don’t forget the areas around campus were not owned by the school and thus there was only so much that we could plan/prevent within the private sector. This was after the collapse of real “Downtown” layouts, during the era of urban/suburban sprawl. In the last 10-20 years, design has come full circle and the downtown, urban feel is king again. We are making efforts to do some of that, but we have simply been the victim of poor funding and bad timing, IMO.[/quote]

agree w/ most the above. especially about the ‘planning’ of the surrounding area. the vast majority of the funds available for planning came from private sources, mainly a grant colvard got from the z. smith reynolds and mary babcock foundations.

[quote=“earlyniner, post:23, topic:24333”][quote=“919R, post:22, topic:24333”][quote=“jfickett, post:13, topic:24333”]To be honest, I think our campus is designed horribly. When we moved out here in 1964(?) there was NOTHING here. We could have master-planned the school to be set up like a town, with a grid of streets for easy access on and off campus and no real distinction between where the campus ends and the college town begins (if the rest of the area’s developers caught on, which I can’t see why they wouldn’t).

I think our campus is beautiful, the hills and plateaus make for some very nice vistas from certain places on and off campus. But the circulation is absolutely atrocious, there aren’t enough roads on campus and the ones that exist just basically circle the perimeter (with the exception of Cameron blvd that runs in front of the Union which will be closed within the next couple years.) We are boxed in by highways with minimal entrance and exit points, essentially making the campus a big island that is really hard to access. Had we actually had some vision and foresight (I know, I know, impossible for UNC Charlotte in any facet) we could have made this campus more accessible by foot or bus for commuters, alleviated the traffic problem, and given the U-City area a real “college town” feel before all the suburban sprawl caught up. There would be a higher likelihood of a “franklin street” type road emerging here too, which would do wonders for the “suitcase” problem we have.

Just another blunder in the long list of things this school could have nipped in the bud with a little vision. Oh well.[/quote]

This sounds all well and good today, but if you know the history of the school we had to scrap and fight for every dime even more so back in the 60s (and before) than we do now (hard to believe I know). There was no money for such things (as real planning). We used every dime to pay for the basics (concrete office buildings/classrooms) and roads were cut in as cheaply as possible as well. Also, I think the real problems with our design is not the on-campus layout, but the off-campus area. The highways and strip malls, but remember when those were built (the 70s and 80s primarily) and don’t forget the areas around campus were not owned by the school and thus there was only so much that we could plan/prevent within the private sector. This was after the collapse of real “Downtown” layouts, during the era of urban/suburban sprawl. In the last 10-20 years, design has come full circle and the downtown, urban feel is king again. We are making efforts to do some of that, but we have simply been the victim of poor funding and bad timing, IMO.[/quote]

agree w/ most the above. especially about the ‘planning’ of the surrounding area. the vast majority of the funds available for planning came from private sources, mainly a grant colvard got from the z. smith reynolds and mary babcock foundations. [/quote]

Every college that is as young as ours has the same sort of problem in terms of campus layout and location.

there’s a road that goes back of halton and then on around to the maintenance area (i think) that has the name of somebody you never heard of. (somebody remind me here???). he was a brick mason working up on a scaffold that blew over. (creative arts building?) killed him.

the next monday morning, in “executive staff meeting”, that guy was # 1 on the agenda! colvard wanted a consensus to take to the board of trustees that the loop road would be named for a fallen worker.
just one of my memories of colvard.

…talk about ‘standing on the shoulders of giants’!

EarlyNiner that sounds like a nice gesture, but…

After all the stories of Bonnie Cone’s son/grandson/nephew breaking a leg/getting killed playing FB, I need some proof.

i didn’t want to go into this, but the brick mason who died there as the wall of fog rolled in and the howl of the no’easter began to rise, was the son of a brother of one of bonnie’s OTHER children!
it was a dark and stormy night…
i’m sworn to secrecy beyond that.

AND…i am the only living fan with a complete tongue who knows the whole story behind “th’ suspensions”!

[quote=“earlyniner, post:25, topic:24333”]there’s a road that goes back of halton and then on around to the maintenance area (i think) that has the name of somebody you never heard of. (somebody remind me here???). he was a brick mason working up on a scaffold that blew over. (creative arts building?) killed him.

the next monday morning, in “executive staff meeting”, that guy was # 1 on the agenda! colvard wanted a consensus to take to the board of trustees that the loop road would be named for a fallen worker.
just one of my memories of colvard.

…talk about ‘standing on the shoulders of giants’![/quote]

Here’s your road choices for that general area:

Phillips Rd, Cameron Blvd, Carver Rd, Barnhardt Ln

Colvard retired in 78 so there was not much there but woods when he was Chancellor. Perhaps its been renamed.

Phillips! this is from way down in my “Cognitorium”, but i i’m sure Phillips was the guy who got killed there.

That would be the road our baseball and eventually our football stadium will be on.

That would be the road our baseball and eventually our football stadium will be on.[/quote]

Are you sure, Early? I always thought it was named Phillips to correspond with the D.L. Phillips Athletics Complex/Phillips Field at R&M Hayes Stadium…

You sure about that??

http://www.charlotte49ers.com/ViewArticle.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=23200&ATCLID=204862329

D.L. Phillips Complex
The Phillips Complex contains the athletic facilities for the 49ers baseball, softball and tennis programs as well as the Wachovia Fieldhouse which includes the locker rooms and coaches offices for both soccer programs as well as the baseball and softball programs.

Robert and Mariam Hayes Baseball Stadium/Tom and Lib Phillips Field

The playing field is called Tom and Lib Phillips Field. The playing surface was redone in the summer of 2004 and a new outfield wall was installed at that time as well.

EDIT: great minds think alike jfick

You sure about that??

not really…abt the name. i’ll check the next time i come over. but 'something phillips’ of somekind rings a bell. it’s one of the inner-camous roads.

http://www.charlotte49ers.com/ViewArticle.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=23200&ATCLID=204862329

D.L. Phillips Complex
The Phillips Complex contains the athletic facilities for the 49ers baseball, softball and tennis programs as well as the Wachovia Fieldhouse which includes the locker rooms and coaches offices for both soccer programs as well as the baseball and softball programs.

Robert and Mariam Hayes Baseball Stadium/Tom and Lib Phillips Field

The playing field is called Tom and Lib Phillips Field. The playing surface was redone in the summer of 2004 and a new outfield wall was installed at that time as well.

EDIT: great minds think alike jfick[/quote]

Here’s a campus map from 1997. http://web.archive.org/web/19970525192924/www.uncc.edu/map.html

Michael Ray Craver Road possibly?