UNC System Funding

Okay so I am tired of hearing the “13th out of 16th” term. Not that I don’t think it should be expressed often, but that is based off of funding from 2 years ago.

Whats changed? Where are we at now? Dubois has been the Chancellor for 2 and a half years, we asked David Dunn to get more funding, what has changed?

Are we still 13th? have we dropped, have we gotten better? Just curious to know how the “chapel hill ass kiss” strategy has been working for us.

I’d also like some clarity on what exactly they define as funding… since that Mary whatever article she brought up per student, per sq foot and so on. What is the 13th out of 16th for?

I’m searching, so I may add more as I go:

From a powerpoint presentation from Dr. Connaughton (TIAA CREF Prof of Economics)

[LIST] [*][FONT=Arial][SIZE=3][COLOR=black]UNC-Charlotte is the 2nd lowest-funded in the UNC-System in per student funding[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT] [*][FONT=Arial][SIZE=3][COLOR=black]From 1993-2005 average FTE spending was $7,734.[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT] [*][FONT=Arial][SIZE=3][COLOR=black]UNC-Charlotte[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Arial][SIZE=3][COLOR=#003366][COLOR=black]’s 12 year average was $5,959 or –22.96% from the average per student funding[/COLOR] .[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][/LIST]
[B]Dr. Dubois' call-to-arms, oddly enough directed to Charlotte, not state lawmakers [/B] [URL]http://www.publicrelations.uncc.edu/default.asp?id=15&objId=229[/URL]

2007-2008 Budget with 2008-2009 projections:

http://www.ncleg.net/Sessions/2007/Bills/House/PDF/H1473v10.pdf

2007-2008 Institutional Profiles
http://intranet.northcarolina.edu/docs/assessment/Profiles/2007-08/Whole_Inst._Profile_07-08.pdf
*The enrollment data is for 2006-2007. There’s no way you can use enrollment data for 2007-2008 to calculate the per student funding, since the budget is due July 1st and the semester starts in August.

UNC Charlotte
17032 undergraduates 21519 total
Operating budget: 161,588,211 Per student: 7509

NC State
23730 undergraduates 31330 total
Operating budget: 349,253,626 Per student: [COLOR=Green]11147[/COLOR]

UNC Chapel Hill
17124 undergraduates 27717 total
Operating budget: 269,229,699 Per student: [COLOR=Green]9713[/COLOR]*
[SIZE=1] *They also get substantial funding for the medical school ($188M) however it’s probably not fair to include it as a lot is used to pay medical school faculty, who treat patients as well as training students (both medical and PhDs)[/SIZE]

UNC Asheville
3613 undergraduates 3639 total
Operating budget: 33,648,196 Per student: [COLOR=Green]9246[/COLOR]

App State
13447 undergraduates 15117 total
Operating budget: 121,866,775 Per student: [COLOR=Green]8061[/COLOR]

East Carolina
18587 undergraduates 24351 total
Operating budget: 200,929,741 Per student: [COLOR=Green]8251[/COLOR][COLOR=Green][COLOR=Black]*
[SIZE=1]*like UNC-CH, receives medical school funding ($48 million)

[/SIZE][/COLOR][/COLOR]Elizabeth City State University
2620 undergraduates 2681 total
Operating budget: 31,770,080 Per student: [B][COLOR=Green]11850

[/COLOR][/B][COLOR=Green][COLOR=Black]Fayetteville State University
5399 undergraduates 6301 total
Operating budget: 53,131,616 Per student: [B][COLOR=Green]8432

[/COLOR][/B][COLOR=Green][COLOR=Black]NC&AT University
9687 undergraduates 11098 total
Operating budget: 91,017,204 Per student: [COLOR=Green][B]8201

[/B][COLOR=Black]North Carolina Central University
6614 undergraduates 8675 total
Operating budget: 76,599,430 Per student: [COLOR=Green]8829[/COLOR]
[/COLOR][/COLOR][/COLOR][/COLOR][/COLOR][/COLOR]
NC School of Arts
727 undergraduates 845 total
Operating budget: 24,650,862 Per student: [COLOR=Green]29172
[/COLOR]
[COLOR=Green][COLOR=Black]um, wtf?

UNC Greensboro
13024 undergraduates 16872 total
Operating budget: 145,859,443 Per student: [B][COLOR=Green]8645

[/COLOR][/B][COLOR=Green][COLOR=Black]UNC Pembroke
5158 undergraduates 5827 total
Operating budget: 53,241,514 Per student: [COLOR=Green]9137[/COLOR]
[/COLOR][/COLOR] [/COLOR][/COLOR]
UNC Wilmington
10955 undergraduates 12098 total
Operating budget: 94,683,871 Per student: [COLOR=Green][B]7826

[/B][COLOR=Black]Western Carolina University
7146 undergraduates 8861 total
Operating budget: 84,117,070 Per student: [B][COLOR=Green]9492

[/COLOR][/B][COLOR=Green][COLOR=Black]Winston Salem State University
5329 undergraduates 5650 total
Operating budget: 66,379,070 Per student: [COLOR=Green]11748[/COLOR]
[/COLOR][/COLOR][/COLOR][/COLOR]
Our rank: Dead last.

The raw budget numbers for funding for UNC schools is here: http://www.ncleg.net/Sessions/2007/Bills/House/PDF/H1473v10.pdf
That’s total funding, not divided by student. About a 3% overall increase in funding over this year. That’s less than the current rate of inflation! http://www.inflationdata.com/Inflation/Inflation_Rate/CurrentInflation.asp

There are dark forces at work in this state when it comes to funding, and they are spearheaded by folks who like to say ‘legislata’s’ when they speak of goverment.

Hey Mary, How 'bout a article on funding with one example being the NC State conf center they nearly got through the ‘legislata’s’ a few yrs back, but was pulled when it got into ‘the light of day’ that it was to include a 5 star resort hotel and TPC golf course, all paid for by the state. Where was Mr’s Friday and Spangler on that one?

There’s plenty of dirt and inequity to dredge up on this issue.

There are dark forces at work in this state when it comes to funding, and they are spearheaded by folks who like to say 'legislata's' when they speak of goverment.

This what ticks me off about CHP, he thinks he’s going to somehow improve our funding situation with butt kissing and whatever else he has planned, it’s NEVER going to get better, the only thing that he has control over is getting money from alums and businesses, football and changing the name will do that. He’s going to be begging from Crapel Hole till the cows come home.

Thanks to NLP for compiling the list, we are now dead last in funding. From now on no more 13 out of 16th, we are DFL, so don’t give us the benefit of those 3 spots.

Nobody is within $500 bucks of us, which is 2x more than the possible increase in football student fee.

I'm searching, so I may add more as I go:

From a powerpoint presentation from Dr. Connaughton (TIAA CREF Prof of Economics)

Dr. Dubois’ call-to-arms, oddly enough directed to Charlotte, not state lawmakers

http://www.publicrelations.uncc.edu/default.asp?id=15&objId=229

2007-2008 Budget with 2008-2009 projections:

http://www.ncleg.net/Sessions/2007/Bills/House/PDF/H1473v10.pdf

2007-2008 Institutional Profiles
http://intranet.northcarolina.edu/docs/assessment/Profiles/2007-08/Whole_Inst._Profile_07-08.pdf
*The enrollment data is for 2006-2007. There’s no way you can use enrollment data for 2007-2008 to calculate the per student funding, since the budget is due July 1st and the semester starts in August.

UNC Charlotte
17598 undergraduates 22338 total
Operating budget: 161,588,211 Per student: 7233

NC State
23730 undergraduates 31330 total
Operating budget: 349,253,626 Per student: [COLOR=Green]11147[/COLOR]

UNC Chapel Hill
17124 undergraduates 27717 total
Operating budget: 269,229,699 Per student: [COLOR=Green]9713[/COLOR]*
[SIZE=1] *They also get substantial funding for the medical school ($188M) however it’s probably not fair to include it as a lot is used to pay medical school faculty, who treat patients as well as training students (both medical and PhDs)[/SIZE]

UNC Asheville
3613 undergraduates 3639 total
Operating budget: 33,648,196 Per student: [COLOR=Green]9246[/COLOR]

App State
13447 undergraduates 15117 total
Operating budget: 121,866,775 Per student: [COLOR=Green]8061[/COLOR]

East Carolina
18587 undergraduates 24351 total
Operating budget: 200,929,741 Per student: [COLOR=Green]8251[/COLOR][COLOR=Green][COLOR=Black]*
[SIZE=1]*like UNC-CH, receives medical school funding ($48 million)

[/SIZE][/COLOR][/COLOR]Elizabeth City State University
2620 undergraduates 2681 total
Operating budget: 31,770,080 Per student: [B][COLOR=Green]11850

[/COLOR][/B][COLOR=Green][COLOR=Black]Fayetteville State University
5399 undergraduates 6301 total
Operating budget: 53,131,616 Per student: [B][COLOR=Green]8432

[/COLOR][/B][COLOR=Green][COLOR=Black]NC&AT University
9687 undergraduates 11098 total
Operating budget: 91,017,204 Per student: [COLOR=Green][B]8201

[/B][COLOR=Black]North Carolina Central University
6614 undergraduates 8675 total
Operating budget: 76,599,430 Per student: [COLOR=Green]8829[/COLOR]
[/COLOR][/COLOR][/COLOR][/COLOR][/COLOR][/COLOR]
NC School of Arts
727 undergraduates 845 total
Operating budget: 24,650,862 Per student: [COLOR=Green]29172
[/COLOR]
[COLOR=Green][COLOR=Black]um, wtf?

UNC Greensboro
13024 undergraduates 16872 total
Operating budget: 145,859,443 Per student: [B][COLOR=Green]8645

[/COLOR][/B][COLOR=Green][COLOR=Black]UNC Pembroke
5158 undergraduates 5827 total
Operating budget: 53,241,514 Per student: [COLOR=Green]9137[/COLOR]
[/COLOR][/COLOR] [/COLOR][/COLOR]
UNC Wilmington
10955 undergraduates 12098 total
Operating budget: 94,683,871 Per student: [COLOR=Green][B]7826

[/B][COLOR=Black]Western Carolina University
7146 undergraduates 8861 total
Operating budget: 84,117,070 Per student: [B][COLOR=Green]9492

[/COLOR][/B][COLOR=Green][COLOR=Black]Winston Salem State University
5329 undergraduates 5650 total
Operating budget: 66,379,070 Per student: [COLOR=Green]11748[/COLOR]
[/COLOR][/COLOR][/COLOR][/COLOR]
Our rank: Dead last.


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[QUOTE=NLP;300616]UNC Charlotte
17,032 undergraduates 21,519 total
Operating budget: $161,588,211 Per student: [B]$7,509[/B]

NC School of Arts
727 undergraduates 845 total
Operating budget: $24,650,862 Per student: [COLOR=Green]$29,172[/color][/QUOTE]

:wow: What! Are you kidding me?!?! Now I know where the priorities are!

:wow: What! Are you kidding me?!?! Now I know where the priorities are!

Come on guys, you know they have to buy all that paint and stone sculpture stuff. :blink:

Total enrollment: 202,381 system wide
Total funding provided by the state (Academic Affairs only): 1,723,067,920
Average funding per student: 8513

EDIT: Guys I made a mistake on our calculation. We’re still last, but I was using the 2007-2008 enrollment for Charlotte and the 2006-2007 for everyone else. I corrected that error. My bad.

Total enrollment: 202,381 system wide Total funding provided by the state (Academic Affairs only): 1,723,067,920 Average funding per student: 8513

we are shorted alot of dough

avg per system student 8513
our uncc number 7213

$1300 bucks per kid. outrageous

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I agree sticky this!!!

Per student (in order)

[QUOTE]

  1. NC School of Arts
    727 undergraduates 845 total
    Operating budget: 24,650,862 Per student: 29172

  2. Elizabeth City State University
    2620 undergraduates 2681 total
    Operating budget: 31,770,080 Per student: 11850

  3. Winston Salem State University
    5329 undergraduates 5650 total
    Operating budget: 66,379,070 Per student: 11748

  4. NC State
    23730 undergraduates 31330 total
    Operating budget: 349,253,626 Per student: 11147

  5. UNC Chapel Hill
    17124 undergraduates 27717 total
    Operating budget: 269,229,699 Per student: 9713*
    *They also get substantial funding for the medical school ($188M) however it’s probably not fair to include it as a lot is used to pay medical school faculty, who treat patients as well as training students (both medical and PhDs)

  6. Western Carolina University
    7146 undergraduates 8861 total
    Operating budget: 84,117,070 Per student: 9492

  7. UNC Asheville
    3613 undergraduates 3639 total
    Operating budget: 33,648,196 Per student: 9246

  8. UNC Pembroke
    5158 undergraduates 5827 total
    Operating budget: 53,241,514 Per student: 9137

  9. North Carolina Central University
    6614 undergraduates 8675 total
    Operating budget: 76,599,430 Per student: 8829

  10. UNC Greensboro
    13024 undergraduates 16872 total
    Operating budget: 145,859,443 Per student: 8645

  11. Fayetteville State University
    5399 undergraduates 6301 total
    Operating budget: 53,131,616 Per student: 8432

  12. East Carolina
    18587 undergraduates 24351 total
    Operating budget: 200,929,741 Per student: 8251*
    *like UNC-CH, receives medical school funding ($48 million)

  13. NC&AT University
    9687 undergraduates 11098 total
    Operating budget: 91,017,204 Per student: 8201

  14. App State
    13447 undergraduates 15117 total
    Operating budget: 121,866,775 Per student: 8061

  15. UNC Wilmington
    10955 undergraduates 12098 total
    Operating budget: 94,683,871 Per student: 7826

  16. UNC Charlotte
    17598 undergraduates 22338 total
    Operating budget: 161,588,211 Per student: 7509
    [/QUOTE]

Total Operating budget

[QUOTE]

  1. NC State
    Operating budget: 349,253,626

  2. UNC Chapel Hill
    Operating budget: 269,229,699

  3. East Carolina
    Operating budget: 200,929,741

  4. UNC Charlotte
    Operating budget: 161,588,211

  5. UNC Greensboro
    Operating budget: 145,859,443

  6. App State
    Operating budget: 121,866,775

  7. UNC Wilmington
    Operating budget: 94,683,871

  8. NC&AT University
    Operating budget: 91,017,204

  9. Western Carolina University
    Operating budget: 84,117,070

  10. North Carolina Central University
    Operating budget: 76,599,430

  11. Winston Salem State University
    Operating budget: 66,379,070

  12. UNC Pembroke
    Operating budget: 53,241,514

  13. Fayetteville State University
    Operating budget: 53,131,616

  14. UNC Asheville
    Operating budget: 33,648,196

  15. Elizabeth City State University
    Operating budget: 31,770,080

  16. NC School of Arts
    Operating budget: 24,650,862
    [/QUOTE]

Percentage

[QUOTE]
NC State 18.80%
UNC Chapel Hill 14.49%
East Carolina 10.81%
UNC Charlotte 8.70%
UNC Greensboro 7.85%
App State 6.56%
UNC Wilmington 5.10%
NC&AT University 4.90%
Western Carolina University 4.53%
North Carolina Central University 4.12%
Winston Salem State University 3.57%
UNC Pembroke 2.87%
Fayetteville State University 2.86%
UNC Asheville 1.81%
Elizabeth City State University 1.71%
NC School of Arts 1.33%

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[QUOTE=Mr. Bojangles;300641]I agree sticky this!!!

Per student (in order)

Total Operating budget

Percentage[/QUOTE]

I don’t know how anyone cannot see that our per student state funding level needs to increase by +$1200 immediately! The disparity is incredible.

PS: The difference from 15 to last (us) is $600/ student!!!

Someone needs to chart this and send to Mayor Pat and every legislata from Mecklenburg and the surrounding counties. Even a third grader can figure this out!

dead ****ing last. :doh:

The annual aggregate $ deficiency from what we should recieve based on average funding per student is in excess of $21.5 MILLION. That’s 13.5% of our entire current operating budget. That’s just to make us average. Average.

That’s incredible.

Just as a reminder, our funding/student is [B][SIZE=5]7509 [/SIZE][/B]and not 7233.

Again, I used the wrong student count for us and only us but that has now been corrected. I still see posts with the wrong figure listed so it’s worth mentioning.

Sorry. :weep:

My post uses the right number. So there :tongue:

On a serious note, that’s annual operating budget NLP. That is, of course, made up of several revenue sources, including tuition and state funding.

Do we have a definitive schedule of state funding per school/student?

Someone needs to research into this and find out why this is. This is ****ing ridiculous!!! If they’re going to **** us, they might as well give us an explanation of why we are being ****ed. I think most of us have a clue of why, but I’d like to hear their explanation.