to add to metroâs thread, [B][U]can someone answer me why we need $7 million a year for Division 1AA football[/U][/B], on top of the huge facility costs?
Somehow Appalachian has managed to win the championship 3 years running on less than $3 million a year. Can someone please explain how we plan on spending 2.5x more than the best team in the nation? Can someone explain how weâll spend 2x more than Furman and Wofford which are both private?
Can someone explain how weâll spend more than UCF does for D1a?
[QUOTE=ninerID;324263]to add to metroâs thread, [B][U]can someone answer me why we need $7 million a year for Division 1AA football[/U][/B], on top of the huge facility costs?
Somehow Appalachian has managed to win the championship 3 years running on less than $3 million a year. Can someone please explain how we plan on spending 2.5x more than the best team in the nation? Can someone explain how weâll spend 2x more than Furman and Wofford which are both private?
Can someone explain how weâll spend more than UCF does for D1a?[/QUOTE]
My impression is that the numbers theyâre using fit the model for a fast ramp-up to D-I. Certainly you could go cheaper, but if you want to draw the community beyond Charlotte alums and students, youâll canât.
Go back to the original intent of adding football:
â Protect basketball.
â Get to a BCS conference in next realignment.
â Create connection with wider community.
None of those is really served by a long stay in FCS. Have the goals changed?
[QUOTE=Mike_Persinger;324265]My impression is that the numbers theyâre using fit the model for a fast ramp-up to D-I. Certainly you could go cheaper, but if you want to draw the community beyond Charlotte alums and students, youâll canât.
Go back to the original intent of adding football:
â Protect basketball.
â Get to a BCS conference in next realignment.
â Create connection with wider community.
None of those is really served by a long stay in FCS. Have the goals changed?[/QUOTE]
I donât think any of those, other than getting into a BCS conference, are the highest priority for most fans. Most people just want football.
[QUOTE=Mike_Persinger;324265]My impression is that the numbers theyâre using fit the model for a fast ramp-up to D-I. Certainly you could go cheaper, but if you want to draw the community beyond Charlotte alums and students, youâll canât.
Go back to the original intent of adding football:
â Protect basketball.
â Get to a BCS conference in next realignment.
â Create connection with wider community.
None of those is really served by a long stay in FCS. Have the goals changed?[/QUOTE]
Those are the main reasons I want Football at Charlotte University!!
to add to metro's thread, [B][U]can someone answer me why we need $7 million a year for Division 1AA football[/U][/B], on top of the huge facility costs?
Somehow Appalachian has managed to win the championship 3 years running on less than $3 million a year. Can someone please explain how we plan on spending 2.5x more than the best team in the nation? Can someone explain how weâll spend 2x more than Furman and Wofford which are both private?
Can someone explain how weâll spend more than UCF does for D1a?
Easy to explain: âfootball related expensesâ. App State probably lists womenâs lacrosse as a âwomenâs lacrosse expenseâ and football as a âfootball expenseâ.
Hereâs a quick and easy breakdown for Charlotte (with several ommissions)
scholarships - 1.3million
coaches - 1.4 million
travel/recruiting - 0.6million
equipment - 0.2million
game guarantees - 0.3million
= $3.8million
I have no problem with aiming high at this point in the process. I just hope that if becomes obvious that we canât pull in the kind of money we need to make this happen, we lower our expectations/budget rather than scrapping football plans all together.
When I graduated I set goals to buy a new car and a house within 3 years. I did not limit my choices to a Bentley and a 5.9 million dollar house on the 7th at Quail Hollow. I understand having a realistic picture about what to expect down the road but realism goes both ways. If I open a hamburger joint tomorrow I donât expect to take a 3rd of McDonalds customers by Friday.
This whole argument by CHP lacks any realism in terms of ramping up the program or growth of the university- we arenât going to be at 20K for ever. Growth is lost on this guy.
[QUOTE=Max Power;324274]I have no problem with aiming high at this point in the process. I just hope that if becomes obvious that we canât pull in the kind of money we need to make this happen, we lower our expectations/budget rather than scrapping football plans all together.[/QUOTE]
CHP could save some respect if he did something like this.
Although Iâm not gonna hold my breath waiting for it.
Iâm still holding on to the claim that he is trying to justify why we canât afford it.
My impression is that the numbers they're using fit the model for a fast ramp-up to D-I. Certainly you could go cheaper, but if you want to draw the community beyond Charlotte alums and students, you'll can't.
Go back to the original intent of adding football:
â Protect basketball.
â Get to a BCS conference in next realignment.
â Create connection with wider community.
None of those is really served by a long stay in FCS. Have the goals changed?
My impression is that the numbers they're using fit the model for a fast ramp-up to D-I. Certainly you could go cheaper, but if you want to draw the community beyond Charlotte alums and students, you'll can't.
Go back to the original intent of adding football:
â Protect basketball.
â Get to a BCS conference in next realignment.
â Create connection with wider community.
None of those is really served by a long stay in FCS. Have the goals changed?
Youâre telling me that App St, Western Car, Furman, Georgia Southern, Furman do not draw support for their community, besides alum?
As somebody else mentioned, I believe the main purpose for getting football is for getting football, having something to do on campus on Saturdays in the fall. The items you mentioned are the results of having a successful football program. But youâve got to have football first.
[QUOTE=SilvioDante;324284]CHP could save some respect if he did something like this.
Although Iâm not gonna hold my breath waiting for it.
Iâm still holding on to the claim that he is trying to justify why we canât afford it.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, Iâm holding out some hope that CHP is just trying to drum up some bit time donors⌠but I am starting to get a little worried that he doesnât believe he can make it happen after his recent comments. I donât buy the ânot leaning either wayâ thingâŚ
I just canât believe heâd say we canât afford it when the majority of schools our size have a football program⌠and after the student vote overwhelmingly on favor⌠and the unanimous decision by the committee. But, who knows? It will be a long few months before he announces his decision in Sept.
I think he will say yes, but put some kind of limitations on it⌠maybe starting in 2015 instead of 2012⌠maybe setting no timeline for a move to DIâŚ
[QUOTE=ninerID;324263]to add to metroâs thread, [B][U]can someone answer me why we need $7 million a year for Division 1AA football[/U][/B], on top of the huge facility costs?
Somehow Appalachian has managed to win the championship 3 years running on less than $3 million a year. Can someone please explain how we plan on spending 2.5x more than the best team in the nation? Can someone explain how weâll spend 2x more than Furman and Wofford which are both private?
Can someone explain how weâll spend more than UCF does for D1a?[/QUOTE]
Survivorâs comments could be the reason, or he could have already prepared a D1 budget. He is dead set on going to D1 as soon as the NCAA will let us, regardless of whether we are ready financially or competitively. That number sounds like a D1 budget number, but itâs all in what costs you choose to put in it. If you lump all the Title iX requirements in with it like Survivor stated, it adds up to nearly that number. Some schools put only football expenditures in their football budgets, others put all resulting football expenditures in their football budgets. Thatâs why itâs so difficult to compare our situation to other schools that have started up football. The state university policies in other states are different, and they group their expenses and donations differently than we will have to. Some schools allow you to designate your giving for specific sports, but most do not. So when you go look at their budgets versus donations for football, itâs deceiving.