These are the kind of statements that prove you to be utterly ridiculous.
13th seed 2011 (7 players) and 12th seed 2012 (13 players) and you consider that getting better. :o
Do you know anything about this game or progress?[/quote]
Donāt you understand, we played Freshman. Itās because we got Freshman and the team is young. Donāt worry, weāll get more FRESHMAN so we can have this same excuse next yearā¦ But we are playing FRESHMAN.
When you finish 13th in a league of 14 teams marginally better is not acceptable. If you are satisfied with being marginally better then you have accepted losing. I sure hope we arenāt āmarginally betterā next year.
Trying to prevent the rebuilding is what got us into this mess.
Rebuilding takes time. Be patient. I know thatās a hard concept for some people.
Iām disappointed how this season has ended, but we were destined to take our knocks this year.
When you finish 13th in a league of 14 teams marginally better is not acceptable. If you are satisfied with being marginally better then you have accepted losing. I sure hope we arenāt āmarginally betterā next year.[/quote]
Well shit in one hand and hope in the other and see which one fills up faster.
You are the guy who looks at the dead man and thinks he is better off because he got shot 5 times instead of 2. :o UNFU&KING BELIEVABLE !!!
You have proved nothing except you like most other NNN frat boys have an extremely high tolerance for losing.
Your logic would be laughed at in any culture that fosters WINNING BASKETBALL.
and you are the guy who says that a 13 win team is worse than a 10 win team and 5 wins in conference is worse than 2 wins in conference.
[quote=āJ Felt, post:103, topic:26450ā]Trying to prevent the rebuilding is what got us into this mess.
Rebuilding takes time. Be patient. I know thatās a hard concept for some people[/quote]
Good point.
[quote=ābball49er, post:96, topic:26450ā][quote=āninersfan99, post:44, topic:26450ā][quote=āHonest Niner, post:43, topic:26450ā]I honestly donāt know what to feel about this team. We won more games which is good, but we did not get a marquee win which is bad.
Additionally I am not to comfortable with what we have comming in next year. There are no real stand out recruits to be excited about. Which leaves us hoping and praying that the freshman are all going to make a jump in ability. It just feels like we are going to watch this movie again next year.[/quote]
Thatās what Iām worried about. Sitting through this crap again isnāt going to be fun.[/quote]I have some advice for you. If you arenāt excited about any of the freshmen you saw this year or comfortable with the guys coming in next year, donāt attend the games. These are exactly the type of guys we need to get because these are the guys we are most capable of getting. [/quote]
^^^This is the āI am just glad we have a D-1 Programā kind of thinking I was talking about! āThese are exactly the type of guys we need to get because these are the guys we are most capable of getting.ā What kind of circular logic is that!?! ??? ???The guys we need =the guys we are capable of getting b/c the the guys we can get = the guys we need?? So according to this logic if the guys we are capable of getting suck then we need sucky players!!! 
(Not saying the next class sucks but that is the logic one can follow hereā¦)
[quote=āHonest Niner, post:108, topic:26450ā][quote=ābball49er, post:96, topic:26450ā][quote=āninersfan99, post:44, topic:26450ā][quote=āHonest Niner, post:43, topic:26450ā]I honestly donāt know what to feel about this team. We won more games which is good, but we did not get a marquee win which is bad.
Additionally I am not to comfortable with what we have comming in next year. There are no real stand out recruits to be excited about. Which leaves us hoping and praying that the freshman are all going to make a jump in ability. It just feels like we are going to watch this movie again next year.[/quote]
Thatās what Iām worried about. Sitting through this crap again isnāt going to be fun.[/quote]I have some advice for you. If you arenāt excited about any of the freshmen you saw this year or comfortable with the guys coming in next year, donāt attend the games. These are exactly the type of guys we need to get because these are the guys we are most capable of getting. [/quote]
^^^This is the āI am just glad we have a D-1 Programā kind of thinking I was talking about! āThese are exactly the type of guys we need to get because these are the guys we are most capable of getting.ā What kind of circular logic is that!?! ??? ???The guys we need =the guys we are capable of getting b/c the the guys we can get = the guys we need?? So according to this logic if the guys we are capable of getting suck then we need sucky players!!! ??? ??? (Not saying the next class sucks but that is the logic one can follow hereā¦)[/quote]
As weird as this post is worded, I kind of agree with it-----I think. If that was our thinking years/decades ago we would never have signed guys like Henry Williams, Diego Guevara, Demarco Johnson, Curtis Withers, Charles Heyward, etc.
Are you really this dense, or is it just an act?
We arenāt getting blue chippers here. They go to the blue blood programs. We arenāt going to get NBA-ready players as freshmen.
We have to develop players.
Most programs donāt rely on freshmen. Most programs either red shirt freshmen or give them just enough minutes to help them get acclimated to the college game.
And newsflash. Sometimes those freshmenā¦ make mistakes, look lost, arenāt strong enough, play sloppy, appear to be complete idiots, etc.
This has been happening since the beginning of basketball. Newcomers to every level typically take time to adjust.
By your definition, Leemire Goldwire āsuckedā because he didnāt contribute much as a freshman. And he was on a team with plenty of outstanding upperclassmen, so his āsuckinessā was limited in scope. We rely heavily on not one, not two, but three freshmen. So hey, their āsuckinessā will be on full display.
Why did I waste my time? this is a hard concept for you to grasp. Iāll just give you the benefit of the doubt and consider you a troll.
[quote=āJ Felt, post:110, topic:26450ā]We arenāt getting blue chippers here. They go to the blue blood programs. We arenāt going to get NBA-ready players as freshmen.
We have to develop players.[/quote]
Apparently we canāt get a coach either. Guess we have to develop one of those to.
[quote=ā919R, post:109, topic:26450ā][quote=āHonest Niner, post:108, topic:26450ā][quote=ābball49er, post:96, topic:26450ā][quote=āninersfan99, post:44, topic:26450ā][quote=āHonest Niner, post:43, topic:26450ā]I honestly donāt know what to feel about this team. We won more games which is good, but we did not get a marquee win which is bad.
Additionally I am not to comfortable with what we have comming in next year. There are no real stand out recruits to be excited about. Which leaves us hoping and praying that the freshman are all going to make a jump in ability. It just feels like we are going to watch this movie again next year.[/quote]
Thatās what Iām worried about. Sitting through this crap again isnāt going to be fun.[/quote]I have some advice for you. If you arenāt excited about any of the freshmen you saw this year or comfortable with the guys coming in next year, donāt attend the games. These are exactly the type of guys we need to get because these are the guys we are most capable of getting. [/quote]
^^^This is the āI am just glad we have a D-1 Programā kind of thinking I was talking about! āThese are exactly the type of guys we need to get because these are the guys we are most capable of getting.ā What kind of circular logic is that!?! ??? ???The guys we need =the guys we are capable of getting b/c the the guys we can get = the guys we need?? So according to this logic if the guys we are capable of getting suck then we need sucky players!!! ??? ??? (Not saying the next class sucks but that is the logic one can follow hereā¦)[/quote]
As weird as this post is worded, I kind of agree with it-----I think. If that was our thinking years/decades ago we would never have signed guys like Henry Williams, Diego Guevara, Demarco Johnson, Curtis Withers, Charles Heyward, etc.[/quote]
What about some of our star players before our time? We need to include the Maxwells, Kinches, and all those players too.
[quote=āninersfan99, post:111, topic:26450ā][quote=āJ Felt, post:110, topic:26450ā]We arenāt getting blue chippers here. They go to the blue blood programs. We arenāt going to get NBA-ready players as freshmen.
We have to develop players.[/quote]
Apparently we canāt get a coach either. Guess we have to develop one of those to.[/quote]
Coach K was 10-17 and 11-17 in his 2nd and 3rd year at Duke. He had a winning record at Army and had a good first year.
Bill Self, 6-21 and 10-17 first two years at Oral Roberts
Chris Mooney, 13-17, 8-22, 16-15
[quote=āsportsman1417, post:113, topic:26450ā][quote=āninersfan99, post:111, topic:26450ā][quote=āJ Felt, post:110, topic:26450ā]We arenāt getting blue chippers here. They go to the blue blood programs. We arenāt going to get NBA-ready players as freshmen.
We have to develop players.[/quote]
Apparently we canāt get a coach either. Guess we have to develop one of those to.[/quote]
Coach K was 10-17 and 11-17 in his 2nd and 3rd year at Duke. He had a winning record at Army and had a good first year.
Bill Self, 6-21 and 10-17 first two years at Oral Roberts
Chris Mooney, 13-17, 8-22, 16-15[/quote]
Evidently our coach should win every game and recuit only McDonalds All Americans.
That is a good point but Coach K had prior coaching experience and had already been successful in his prior position. I have no doubt Major wonāt eventually gain the experience he needs to be a good head coach but my question is how long will it take? Iām not interested in multiple losing seasons while he gains that experience. Maybe he will get everything clicking next season and maybe it will be another 5 years. 5 years is too long to wait. 4 years is too long to wait. Next year is his third year and from what I saw this year I do not have a good feeling about next year.
[quote=ā919R, post:109, topic:26450ā][quote=āHonest Niner, post:108, topic:26450ā][quote=ābball49er, post:96, topic:26450ā][quote=āninersfan99, post:44, topic:26450ā][quote=āHonest Niner, post:43, topic:26450ā]I honestly donāt know what to feel about this team. We won more games which is good, but we did not get a marquee win which is bad.
Additionally I am not to comfortable with what we have comming in next year. There are no real stand out recruits to be excited about. Which leaves us hoping and praying that the freshman are all going to make a jump in ability. It just feels like we are going to watch this movie again next year.[/quote]
Thatās what Iām worried about. Sitting through this crap again isnāt going to be fun.[/quote]I have some advice for you. If you arenāt excited about any of the freshmen you saw this year or comfortable with the guys coming in next year, donāt attend the games. These are exactly the type of guys we need to get because these are the guys we are most capable of getting. [/quote]
^^^This is the āI am just glad we have a D-1 Programā kind of thinking I was talking about! āThese are exactly the type of guys we need to get because these are the guys we are most capable of getting.ā What kind of circular logic is that!?! ??? ???The guys we need =the guys we are capable of getting b/c the the guys we can get = the guys we need?? So according to this logic if the guys we are capable of getting suck then we need sucky players!!! ??? ??? (Not saying the next class sucks but that is the logic one can follow hereā¦)[/quote]
As weird as this post is worded, I kind of agree with it-----I think. If that was our thinking years/decades ago we would never have signed guys like Henry Williams, Diego Guevara, Demarco Johnson, Curtis Withers, Charles Heyward, etc.[/quote]
Some of those guys flew under the radar and we just lucked out at how good they were. Some we got on early and were able to hold on to them - this is getting harder because the bigger schools have budgets that pretty allow them to get everywhere. Not like it was back in Maxwellās day. Others we got lucky when their orig school choice fell through for various reasons like Basden and Braz. Think how many players we had that washed out. You hit on some you miss on some.
I get what you are saying - we need to take a shot at the big guys here and there. The key is we have to have a solid group coming in - even if it isnāt loaded with 4 star kids. If we can run a solid program we can start taking out shots at the higher ranked kids.
In all honesty I think we can trace the downfall of our program to Bobby taking shots at 4 and 5 star kids, missing on them and being left just plugging holes with what he could get. We are much better served being realistic with who we can land - get back to being stable and then take our shot and the big guys as long as we have a solid back up plan.
Either that or hire a coach that brings a crap ton of talent and recruiting like Squid does. I donāt think we are in a position to pay a coach like that though.
And this is my biggest concern. I didnāt like hiring someone with no HC experience and I still donāt. I know Judy has a good track record of coaches - but in mens basketball this is her first and only real hire. Melvin and Bobby were easy ones - this one is all on her.
Thanks for the support. Nice to know not everyone on this board has abandoned reason. Sorry about the wording but it is difficult to write up a circular logic argument in a manner that meets the typical attention span of some people on this board. (*cough J-Felt *cough)
Excuse me. (*clears throat) Allow me to give a top of the house view of my position. All I said was E-Vic had a disappointing season & if he had that season again it would amount to a huge disappointment. People then said āBut heās a freshman so we should not expect anythingā. To which I replied (after the Davis comment) so are Henry and Williams, yet they contributed, so why is a different standard applied to E-Vic? Pretty simple discussion really.
Also since when is voicing ones opinion āTrollingā? Are we not allowed to do that? Is there a series of beliefs we are all supposed to subscribe to when joining this board? I was not made aware of any but perhaps it was buried in the user agreement? To that end what is the function of a board if all we are allowed to do is support the status quo? Seems silly to have a posting function when all we are supposed to post is āI agree!ā.
[quote=āsportsman1417, post:113, topic:26450ā][quote=āninersfan99, post:111, topic:26450ā][quote=āJ Felt, post:110, topic:26450ā]We arenāt getting blue chippers here. They go to the blue blood programs. We arenāt going to get NBA-ready players as freshmen.
We have to develop players.[/quote]
Apparently we canāt get a coach either. Guess we have to develop one of those to.[/quote]
Coach K was 10-17 and 11-17 in his 2nd and 3rd year at Duke. He had a winning record at Army and had a good first year.
Bill Self, 6-21 and 10-17 first two years at Oral Roberts
Chris Mooney, 13-17, 8-22, 16-15[/quote]
I think you forgot to put Coach Kās first year on there, he was 17-13.
I could care less what other coaches did in their first 3 years. Some did bad and some did good. My opinion is only from watching Major for the past 2 years. Iāve never watched Major as a coach other then the 2 years he has been here with the 49ers. Iām not the only one that things Major has been terrible these first 2 years.
Itās ok though, you can have your own opinion and think Major is the next Coach K or compare his years to all the other coaches you want. In my book he isnāt 1/10th the coach those other guys are. Hope he proves me wrong next year.
They want you to help make excuses about how young our team is, how Freshman improve and blossom into stars, hope hope hope hope hope hope. Iāve seen enough of Major in 2 years to figure out the guy (currently) is a horrible coach and some of the worst game management Iāve ever seen. High school coaches can manage a game better then Major.
Maybe I can HOPE for Major to blossom into a great coach like these āfreshmanā we are waiting on. I just want to win and be entertained and right now Major has done NEITHER for 90% of the fans.