ACC tourny attendance down 10k

The ACC probably won't be back in Charlotte any time soon. Since Charlotte was awarded the tournament last time, the ACC has expanded from 9 to 12 teams, and the seating capacity went from [B][U]26,000[/U][/B] in the Coliseum, to 18,000 in TWC Arena. They won't be back.

Speaking of attendance, I wonder how many folks from the Observer were in attendance? They couldn’t send Utter to AC, but I wonder how many they have in Atlanta???

The coliseum never held 26,000. Its largest capacity was listed at ~24,000 and that was “stretching it”.

Basketball games in football domes are awful. Watching on TV, it really doesn’t matter, but being there live it is awful unless you have a great seat.

Selling out for money, serves them right.

The ACC probably won't be back in Charlotte any time soon. Since Charlotte was awarded the tournament last time, the ACC has expanded from 9 to 12 teams, and the seating capacity went from 26,000 in the Coliseum, to 18,000 in TWC Arena. They won't be back.

Speaking of attendance, I wonder how many folks from the Observer were in attendance? They couldn’t send Utter to AC, but I wonder how many they have in Atlanta???

Did they add teams since last season? Because that’s the last time they were here. They played in TWC last year for the ACC tourney, which is why we had 4 ACC teams on our schedule last year.

And to all who hate having them here, it is a good boost for our local economy. Besides … anytime you can take some money from these tools is good, eh?

Did they add teams since last season? Because that's the last time they were here. They played in TWC last year for the ACC tourney, which is why we had 4 ACC teams on our schedule last year.

And to all who hate having them here, it is a good boost for our local economy. Besides … anytime you can take some money from these tools is good, eh?

Hate the ACC all you want, but there is nothing better than a big time tournament within walking distance of bars.

Hate the ACC all you want, but there is nothing better than a big time tournament within walking distance of bars.

I just left ATL last week and stayed at the Omni/CNN center. Its all one complex: CNN, Omni, Philips Arena, World Congress Ctr, and the GA Dome.

got news for ya…there isn’t a worthy bar within miles of that shiithole, but you will get panhandled to death (actually Daileys is OK)

[QUOTE=metro;391806]I just left ATL last week and stayed at the Omni/CNN center. Its all one complex: CNN, Omni, Philips Arena, World Congress Ctr, and the GA Dome.

got news for ya…there isn’t a worthy bar within miles of that shiithole, but you will get panhandled to death (actually Daileys is OK)[/QUOTE]

Seems nothing has changed then.

I was there 2 yrs ago for NHL game at Philips Arena. As soon as it was over, we drove to Buckhead

I just left ATL last week and stayed at the Omni/CNN center. Its all one complex: CNN, Omni, Philips Arena, World Congress Ctr, and the GA Dome.

got news for ya…there isn’t a worthy bar within miles of that shiithole, but you will get panhandled to death (actually Daileys is OK)

Oh I agree, downtown ATL is crap, I was saying when it comes to Charlotte.

I always look back at my experience in Dayton when we won compared to my experience in Greenville, SC when we lost, no comparison. Having the tournament in a downtown with bars around makes the experience 1,000 times better. I could go to any big tournament in a location like that and hate all of the teams and still have a great time.

Oh I agree, downtown ATL is crap, I was saying when it comes to Charlotte.

I always look back at my experience in Dayton when we won compared to my experience in Greenville, SC when we lost, no comparison. Having the tournament in a downtown with bars around makes the experience 1,000 times better. I could go to any big tournament in a location like that and hate all of the teams and still have a great time.


I agree

I will say when we played in the NCAA and lost to Notre Dame in Gville, I had a good time pregame downtown.

Joby had the flu and killed us. :unhappy:

[QUOTE=C49erMoose;391780]Did they add teams since last season? Because that’s the last time they were here. They played in TWC last year for the ACC tourney, which is why we had 4 ACC teams on our schedule last year.

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Charlotte was awarded the 2008 ACC Tournament long before last year. These bids go out years in advance. When the City of Charlotte won the bid to host the 2008 ACC tournament, I don’t think the arena was even built.

They’ve determined the site already out until 2015.

http://www.theacc.com/sports/m-baskbl/spec-rel/051706aaa.html

No, they need to STFO thank you very much. Just leave it in Greensboro.

The city of Charlotte can use anybody’s money right now… tool tar heel fans or not.

Did they add teams since last season? Because that's the last time they were here. They played in TWC last year for the ACC tourney, which is why we had 4 ACC teams on our schedule last year.

And to all who hate having them here, it is a good boost for our local economy. Besides … anytime you can take some money from these tools is good, eh?

Like I just said, take their money. I got an evening package last year for the opening round for $40. Went over to TWCA after work got some drinks with a friend, went to the game, and as someone who just enjoys basketball, it was a pretty sweet deal for the cost. I’m sure a few on here made it down there and just about every bar within 8-10 blocks of that place was packed, as well as were the streets which is good for any kind of retail/restaurant operation. Especially, when these people are drinking (heavily).

I got an evening package last year for the opening round for $40. Went over to TWCA after work got some drinks with a friend, went to the game, and as someone who just enjoys basketball, it was a pretty sweet deal for the cost.

yuck I can’t endorse that

[QUOTE=919R;391767]The coliseum never held 26,000. Its largest capacity was listed at ~24,000 and that was “stretching it”.[/QUOTE]

My point was, the league expanded by 3 fanbases, and the size of the facility dramatically decreased. That means less $$ for the league so, it does not look like they will be coming back any time soon.

yuck I can't endorse that

Sorry, I like basketball, and I’d do the same if the BE, SEC, or A10 held their conf. tourney here. If it makes you feel any better I had on a Charlotte shirt.

Sorry, I like basketball, and I'd do the same if the BE, SEC, or A10 held their conf. tourney here. If it makes you feel any better I had on a Charlotte shirt.
I hear ya, I don't fault you. I just can't bring myself to support the ACC by any means.

I did learn that GA has there version of UNCC. Georgia Southern. I had a waiter this week and he was wearing a GA Southern hat and had graduated there, but also had on a UGA shirt. :doh:Equivalent of a UNCC kid wearing UNC garbage.

I hear ya, I don't fault you. I just can't bring myself to support the ACC by any means.

I did learn that GA has there version of UNCC. Georgia Southern. I had a waiter this week and he was wearing a GA Southern hat and had graduated there, but also had on a UGA shirt. :doh:Equivalent of a UNCC kid wearing UNC garbage.

The only thing they got was my $40. Seeing how I had to pay a bloated rate for parking (although I’m sure that went to the city), and bought drinks, that was my lowest tab.

Don’t worry, UNC wasn’t playing. I had the likes of GT, VT, Wake, and I can’t even remember the other team.

Swofford on the defense…

[QUOTE] ATLANTA – The 2009 ACC Tournament opened Thursday with four first-round games in a Georgia Dome that was about 10,000 fans short of being sold out in Atlanta. Here’s what ACC commissioner John Swofford had to say in an exclusive interview about the tournament, the ACC football championship and other topics.
[B]Q: The tournament is not a sellout. On the other hand, the economy is in a difficult situation and you still get more revenue, I would presume (at the Georgia Dome), than you would in Greensboro. Can you break that down for me?[/B]
[B]Swofford:[/B] It really relates to being in a dome at the same time we’re in a down economy unlike anything any of us have seen before. It’s that combination. If we were in Greensboro or Charlotte or any of the other venues we’ve played the tournament in, we would be over capacity in those buildings. I think it relates directly to the combination of big building, down economy.
[B]Q: Do you know about how many tournament books you’ve sold?[/B]
[B]Swofford:[/B] We’re going to be around 26,000, 27,000. Somewhere right in that area.
[B]Q: And it was set up for 36,000?[/B]
[B]Swofford:[/B] Yes, 36,000, and that was based on the last time we were here in 2001, when we basically averaged 36,000. It was the most any conference tournament has ever had in college basketball. It was a remarkable turnout in the first time we’d been in the dome. And it was a huge success.
But I really think you have to call this a success, too, considering where we are at this given time and the numbers compared to our normal numbers.
[B]Q: Have you run into a situation where folks who’ve never had an opportunity to come are able to come, and has that been a good thing for you?[/B]
[B]Swofford:[/B] Yes, we have had some of that, and both from some degree an institutional level and also locally here as well. And that’s always good, because it helps build for the future and gives them a flavor of the ACC Tournament.
[B]Q: You’ve still got another one coming up here in a few years. Is it still your plan to go forward with that?[/B]
[B]Swofford:[/B] Yes. We’ll evaluate it after this is over with, the capacity. In a dome you can cut capacities off at various places. And we’ll evaluate it at that time and may look at it in terms of having to cut some more when we come back as well.
[B]Q: Selection Sunday is coming up. Is that always one of your most nervous days of the year?[/B]
[B]Swofford:[/B] In a sense. You just hope that the league is treated fairly. That’s all any of us in any conference can ask for. Usually that’s the case.
The committee has a very difficult job that I think gets tougher every year in terms of trying to evaluate where teams are, and I’m sure they’ll do a great job this year as they usually do. We’ve had a terrific year, I think, competitively, within the league this year with a lot of good teams. And hopefully that will be reflected Sunday when the selections come out.
[B]Q: (Wake Forest athletics director) Ron Wellman is going on the (selection) committee next year. Is that a good thing for the ACC?[/B]
[B]Swofford:[/B] It’s a good thing for the ACC. I think it’s a good thing for college basketball and the committee. I think Ron will do a terrific job. He’s very interested in doing it. I think he’s a terrific selection representing not only our conference but college basketball.
[B]Q: There are a couple rumors out there. One is that you’re looking at adjusting the divisions for football, (in terms of) which teams are in which division. Is there any thought of that?[/B]
[B]Swofford:[/B] You used the right term, “rumor.” It hasn’t been discussed.
[B]Q: How about the football championship game? Are you looking at the possibility of holding it at home sites (rather than neutral sites) in the future?[/B]
[B]Swofford:[/B] We’ll see. We’re in Tampa (in 2009) and in Charlotte the next two years. At that point we’ll have a decent history to evaluate. And being on campus at that point will be something that we haven’t done. As we develop and grow that game, we’ll just have to see what works best for our conference.
[B]Q: That (home sites) an option you might consider?[/B]
[B]Swofford:[/B] It’s always an option. It was an option from the beginning, and it’s an option we would consider if we needed to consider it. It may be that the game comes to Charlotte, finds a terrific home and is really well adopted and works for us, where we stay.
I think we’ll just have to wait. … Every conference is a little different. We’re Boston to Miami and a mix of comparatively small, private schools with major state universities, and that game is very important to us as a conference as it grows and matures and develops its own history. And I think all of us are really looking forward to being in Charlotte with the game.
Hopefully it will be a huge success there, and we would hope that it would be for a lot of reasons. It will be the first time we’ve actually had it in the geographic center, which makes a lot of sense in terms of driveability for the majority of the schools, not all the schools. And in difficult economic times, that matters.
And hopefully Charlotte as a college football community will truly adopt the game and support the game itself. You look at the Meineke Car Care Bowl, which has been probably the most positive start-up bowl game in recent years, and we think that’s a good sign.
[B]Q: What are your other big economic concerns going forward?[/B]
[B]Swofford:[/B] It’s far reaching both at the institutional level as well as at the conference level. You want to do everything you can to maximize your revenue for the schools. In the next 12-15 months, our television deals will be renegotiated for the future. And hopefully they will go well, even though we’re in a very difficult economic period related to those kinds of negotiations.
And at the same time, I think we’re like everyone else, trying to look at ways to reduce costs.
[B]Q: What’s your favorite thing about the ACC Tournament?[/B]
[B]Swofford:[/B] My favorite thing is the quality of the competition, the quality of the teams on the floor and the individual players that are out there on the floor. We’ve had a lot of great players and teams come through this league, and this year has been, I think, a very special one competitively. To see that all in one place is just a real joy. And the other aspect of it is to see fans enjoy exactly what I was talking about.

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The city of Charlotte can use anybody's money right now... tool tar heel fans or not.
Aight. I can dig it.

FINE, WE’LL TAKE YOUR MONEY YOU TOOL, TARHOLE BASTARDS!!! shakes fist

Charlotte was awarded the 2008 ACC Tournament long before last year. These bids go out years in advance. When the City of Charlotte won the bid to host the 2008 ACC tournament, I don't think the arena was even built.

They’ve determined the site already out until 2015.

http://www.theacc.com/sports/m-baskbl/spec-rel/051706aaa.html

That is a fine point sir…

I was under the misunderstanding that they had already said they would return in the 2012-2013 time frame.

Leave it to the ACC to take what is probably the best tourney site they had and never return.

The Charlotte Observer, oops I mean Daily Tar Heel, is posting an in-game score for the Heels in the Acc Tourney.
I never saw the Niners have an in-game score during a conf. tourney game before.

[QUOTE=stonecoldken;392140]The Charlotte Observer, oops I mean Daily Tar Heel, is posting an in-game score for the Heels in the Acc Tourney.
I never saw the Niners have an in-game score during a conf. tourney game before.[/QUOTE]

clt says the only way you waould see that is if the niners were playing the holes.