BCS vs Playoff

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While I enjoy going to games as an event, the tailgating etc, the sports aspects of college football are weak.

  1. Too much post season. Winning 6 games in 12 makes you “bowl eligible.” Carolina, this season, plays 1-AA James Madison and Duke. This gives them two wins out of six. Throw in wins against ECU, Maryland, UVA and their annual bitchslap against State and you have bowl eligibility for a team who has beaten no one.
    NC State has Central Florida and Wofford on the schedule. To me, this makes going to a bowl weak and thus, the regular season not important.
    If as many basketball teams danced as football teams bowled, there would be 180 teams dancing every year. It’s as if the NCAA tourney took all teams with 15 wins in 30 games and then let them schedule Prarie View A and M five times.
  2. The BCS takes weak teams. I don’t care about the playoffs, but the BCS taking conference winners regardless of their regular season dilutes what they are trying to do.
    Since 1996, every year except last year, the BCS took schools with at least 3 losses. In those ten years the BCS took 7 conference champs with 3 losses, and 3 champs with 4 losses. I’m not including WFU in this count as they only lost two games, but their non-con was way soft and the whole conference, despite what the ACC football fan will tell you, sucked.
    I’ve got no problem with the BCS playing a national championship game and then 4 great bowl games, but with the inclusion of a weak division champ and a weak Notre Dame, we get a national championship game and 2 good bowls and then two bad bowls.
    I’m not saying that I don’t enjoy college football. The event is wonderful. I went to a football game at Ole Miss last September and it’s like nothing you’ve ever seen. The tents, the tailgating, the tradition, the co-eds all were amazing, but the game was secondary.
    Don’t get me wrong, I’ll have 2-4 seats in Charlotte when we get a team, but I won’t live and die with it. I’ll be too busy checking out the co-eds.

Tintin

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Wins against 1-AA opponents do not count against your bowl eligibility if I remember correctly… obviously a loss isn’t helping your cause.

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[QUOTE=CharSFNiners;248411]Wins against 1-AA opponents do not count against your bowl eligibility if I remember correctly… obviously a loss isn’t helping your cause.[/QUOTE]

Yes. Wins against 1-AA teams do count for bowl eligibility. This was passed a couple of years ago.

Tintin

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I went to a football game at Ole Miss last September and it's like nothing you've ever seen. The tents, the tailgating, the tradition, the co-eds all were amazing, but the game was secondary.

Tintin

My wife is from Oxford, and she says that when we get a football team, she will be in a dress on gamedays, its just supposed to be that way. The guys wear khakis and buttondown shirts, sometimes with a tie.

[COLOR=red]Hotty Toddy[/COLOR]

http://www.southernfriedfootball.com/Babes/2006_3.html

scroll down to ole miss.

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I’m a big fan of the 16 team playoff. You have to put all the conference winners in there. Each match-up is a “bowl” and those top 4 BCS bowls can rotate in for which is the championship game like they already do, while two others pick up the semi-finals and the fourth has the 3rd place game. No revenue is lost that way. Every team that doesn’t make the playoff still has your standard bowl games to play in. No one loses in that scenario.

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Yes. Wins against 1-AA teams do count for bowl eligibility. This was passed a couple of years ago.

Tintin

Yea, I found it afterwards… that’s sad.

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[QUOTE=The Ambassador of Qwan;248477]I’m a big fan of the 16 team playoff. You have to put all the conference winners in there. Each match-up is a “bowl” and those top 4 BCS bowls can rotate in for which is the championship game like they already do, while two others pick up the semi-finals and the fourth has the 3rd place game. No revenue is lost that way. Every team that doesn’t make the playoff still has your standard bowl games to play in. No one loses in that scenario.[/QUOTE]

This is exactly how it should be done.

1st round the top 8 teams play home games against the bottom 8 the week after conference championship games. Games played Fri, Sat.

Lower non-BCS bowls are played during this week.

2nd round the games play at the top non-BCS bowls (Cotton, Gator, Peach, Holiday) on Fri, Sat.

Mid-level non-BCS bowls play this week.

3rd round 2 Simifinal games play on rotating basis of current 4 BCS bowls (Rose, Orange, Sugar, Fiesta), on Sat.

Upper non-BCS bowls play this week.

National Championship game on Monday night, Concillation game on the Sat before.

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My wife is from Oxford, and she says that when we get a football team, she will be in a dress on gamedays, its just supposed to be that way. The guys wear khakis and buttondown shirts, sometimes with a tie.

[COLOR=red]Hotty Toddy[/COLOR]

http://www.southernfriedfootball.com/Babes/2006_3.html

scroll down to ole miss.

I am certainly not opposed to the ladies in dresses, but I def won’t be dressed up like some damn frattastic preppy. That’s one tradition I’ll let the other southern schools keep. Besides, we are in a yankee outpost, so I don’t expect that tradition to catch on as much here.

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[QUOTE=49or bust;248522]I am certainly not opposed to the ladies in dresses, but I def won’t be dressed up like some damn frattastic preppy. That’s one tradition I’ll let the other southern schools keep. Besides, we are in a yankee outpost, so I don’t expect that tradition to catch on as much here.[/QUOTE]

The only traditions I care about are a constantly sold out stadium, a great home field advantage and atmosphere, well travelling fans, superior tailgating, a constant need for stadium additions, landing the majority of our targeted recruits, always scheduling quality opponents and never having more then 3 losses a season.

Is that too much to ask for?:huh:

P.S. Lots of hot coeds too!:thumbsup:

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I am certainly not opposed to the ladies in dresses, but I def won't be dressed up like some damn frattastic preppy. That's one tradition I'll let the other southern schools keep. Besides, we are in a yankee outpost, so I don't expect that tradition to catch on as much here.

I totally get what you are saying.

I think you have to understand Oxford, MS its a very old money place with a lot of southern charm. Girls in dresses is a pretty common thing across the southeast, and it probably even gets into Virginia. Guys in khakis is less common, but pretty strong at Ole Miss for 2 reasons. 1, they love to hold onto the past, you wouldn’t know it but that school has won 3 national titles. They miss those days and want to hold on to it, additionally, its one of those schools where, “this is where my dad went and his dad went and this is how the dressed” kind of thing. 2, like you said its the frat thing, ole miss is about 90% greek.

Like I said, my wife will be in a dress, but you’ll be lucky to see me with a shirt on.

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I don’t like the talk of a 4 or 8 team playoff in 1-A, although it’s better than nothing. I want 32, 1/2 of B-Ball, & also expand 1-AA from 16 to 32. Give the underdogs a chance. '83 State, '85 'Nova, '89 Michigan & Seton Hall, '05 George Mason.
I-AA used to count for 1 bowl eligible win every 4 years, but there were still not enough teams bowl eligible, so they change the rule to allow you to beat a 1-AA anytime. My Acc team, State went 11-3 one year, & 2 of those were 1-AA, so they were really only 9-3.

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The BCS is terrible. If they were to shut down the NCAA College basketball tournament and play it out like the BCS there would be rioting in the street. As it is, no one who has the power to change to a playoff system has the balls to do so. I’ve made a 32-team bracket the last three years to show what we are missing. I’ve posted the last two on here:

[URL=http://www.ninernation.net/forum/showthread.php?t=14886&highlight=college+football+bracket][COLOR=DarkGreen][B][U]2006 Division I Football Playoff Bracket[/U][/B][/COLOR][/URL]

[URL=http://www.ninernation.net/forum/showthread.php?p=147460#post147460][B][U][COLOR=DarkGreen]2005 Division I Football Playoff Bracket[/COLOR][/U][/B][/URL]

16 teams is the absolute minimum for a playoff. I think it should be 32 to give the smaller schools a shot. I hear all of the arguments about the extra travel, exams, blah, blah, blah. :blahsign: It would not be that difficult to give the players their exams at a different time if they should be in a playoff game, and transportation now is much easier than it was in the 30’s and 40’s when the Bowls began. Back then, a playoff would have been much more difficult, logistically speaking.

Every team would play 12 games in 13 weeks (against I-A schools only), beginning Labor Day weekend and ending Thanksgiving weekend. The conference Championship games, if absolutely needed, would be played the next weekend along with the Army-Navy game. The playoffs would begin the following week, the 2nd weekend of December. The second round of the playoffs would begin the third weekend of December. Depending on how Christmas fell, you would skip the third or fourth Saturday and play the third round on one of those weekends. The semifinals would be played the last Saturday in December or the first Saturday in January. The title game would be one week later which, coincidentally, is when the ficticious version is currently. The first three rounds would be played at the higher seeds home field, with the final four played on neutral sites.

When I hear someone say that 32 is too many, which of the 32 teams from the 2006 bracket would you say aren’t worthy besides the Sun Belt, MAC, and CUSA champ (most years)? You still need the automatic berths, and the other 29 teams were stout. I had Nebraska and Georgia Tech as #7 seeds in my bracket last year. On a given day, they could beat any team. The #1 seeds are the only teams that have relatively easy games the first round, but it’s usually that way for basketball also.

I still watch college football games during the season, but I don’t get into it very much because of the pointless way they choose their champion. The Bowls could be for the also-rans, or the next 32-teams with .500 and above records. They are meaningless as they are now, so they can remain that way. Having the Bowl games serve as playoff games is a ridiculous idea. With that scenario, a team might play in 3 Bowl games and the Bowl games would be made to be even less significant than they are now if they should serve as sub-games for the next round. If the big Bowl games do not want to host the non-playoff teams, then they can be done away with. Trust me, they will not be missed except by the people who run them that rip the rest of the world off from a true title game.

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I totally get what you are saying.

I think you have to understand Oxford, MS its a very old money place with a lot of southern charm. Girls in dresses is a pretty common thing across the southeast, and it probably even gets into Virginia. Guys in khakis is less common, but pretty strong at Ole Miss for 2 reasons. 1, they love to hold onto the past, you wouldn’t know it but that school has won 3 national titles. They miss those days and want to hold on to it, additionally, its one of those schools where, “this is where my dad went and his dad went and this is how the dressed” kind of thing. 2, like you said its the frat thing, ole miss is about 90% greek.

Like I said, my wife will be in a dress, but you’ll be lucky to see me with a shirt on.

For me, I’ve spent a lot of time at USC and have had my fill of this old southern stuff. Guys, whether they are in fraternities or not, dress like deuche bags and act like them. Lots of girls go their to get their MRS, instead of worrying as much about their BS. It all makes me sick so I will not be happy if that catches on here. Of course, we are talking about two SEC schools and two of the most backward states, so I probably shouldn’t worry too much.

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Lots of girls go their to get their MRS, instead of worrying as much about their BS.

You don’t meet a lot of girls at charlotte do you? Just kidding, but there are as many girls at charlotte getting their MRS as any other school. Trust me I am a certified in giving out the MRS degree of UNC Charlotte coeds.

but as for the guys, yes there are plenty of them I just would like to punch in the face for dressing like that.

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You don't meet a lot of girls at charlotte do you? Just kidding, but there are as many girls at charlotte getting their MRS as any other school. [B]Trust me I am a certified in giving out the MRS degree of UNC Charlotte coeds.[/B]

but as for the guys, yes there are plenty of them I just would like to punch in the face for dressing like that.

Wait, are we talking about the same thing? Are you an ordained minister?

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Wait, are we talking about the same thing? Are you an ordained minister?

Probably wasnt the best way to make a joke of it. no I am not a minister, but I will be working tomorrow, my wife will be shopping. :biggrin:

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Example #1 16 team playoff including all conference champs, seeding based on BCS poll.

[U]East Regional:[/U]

#1(1) [COLOR=Red]Ohio St.[/COLOR] (Big 10) vs #4(16) [COLOR=Red]Troy[/COLOR] (SBC)
#2(8) [COLOR=Blue]Boise St.[/COLOR] (WAC) vs #3(9) [COLOR=DarkOrange]Auburn[/COLOR] (at large)

[U]West Regional:[/U]

#1(4)[COLOR=Purple] LSU[/COLOR] (at large) vs #4(13) [COLOR=Navy]BYU [/COLOR] (MWC)
#2(5) [COLOR=DarkRed]USC[/COLOR] (Pac 10) vs #3(12) [COLOR=DimGray]Wake Forest[/COLOR] (ACC)

[U]South Regional:[/U]

#1(2) [COLOR=Navy]Florida[/COLOR] (SEC) vs #4(15) [COLOR=DarkRed]Central Michigan[/COLOR] (MAC)
#2(7) [COLOR=Red]Wisconsin[/COLOR] (at large) vs #3(10) [COLOR=DarkRed]Oklahoma[/COLOR] (Big 12)

[U]Midwest Regional:[/U]

#1(3) [COLOR=Navy]Michigan[/COLOR] (at large) vs #4(14) [COLOR=DimGray]So. Miss[/COLOR] (CUSA)
#2(6) [COLOR=Red]Louisville[/COLOR] (Big East) vs #3(11) [COLOR=DarkGreen]Notre Dame[/COLOR] (at large)

First 3 teams not included: (#12)[COLOR=Red]Arkansas[/COLOR], (#13)[COLOR=Blue]West Virginia[/COLOR], (#15)[COLOR=DarkRed]Virginia Tech[/COLOR]

Results: BCS teams = 11, non-BCS teams = 5

Conclusion: Not as exciting 1st round match-ups, but very inclusive.

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Example #2 16 team playoff including BCS conference champs only, seeding based on BCS poll.

[U]East Regional:[/U]

#1(1) [COLOR=Red]Ohio St.[/COLOR] (Big 10) vs #4(16) [COLOR=Red]Rutgers[/COLOR] (at large)
#2(8) [COLOR=Blue]Boise St.[/COLOR] (WAC) vs #3(9) [COLOR=DarkOrange]Auburn[/COLOR] (at large)

[U]West Regional:[/U]

#1(4) [COLOR=Purple]LSU[/COLOR] (at large) vs #4(13) [COLOR=Blue]West Virginia[/COLOR] (at large)
#2(5) [COLOR=Sienna]USC [/COLOR](Pac 10) vs #3(12) [COLOR=Red]Arkansas [/COLOR](at large)

[U]South Regional:[/U]

#1(2) [COLOR=Navy]Florida[/COLOR] (SEC) vs #4(15) [COLOR=DarkRed]Virginia Tech[/COLOR] (at large)
#2(7) [COLOR=Red]Wisconsin[/COLOR] (at large) vs #3(10) [COLOR=DarkRed]Oklahoma[/COLOR] (Big 12)
[U]
Midwest Regional:[/U]

#1(3) [COLOR=Navy]Michigan [/COLOR](at large) vs #4(14) [COLOR=DimGray]Wake Forest[/COLOR] (ACC)
#2(6) [COLOR=Red]Louisville[/COLOR] (Big East) vs #3(11) [COLOR=DarkGreen]Notre Dame[/COLOR] (at large)

First 3 teams not included: (#17)[COLOR=SandyBrown]Tennessee[/COLOR], (#18)[COLOR=Navy]California[/COLOR], (#19)[COLOR=DarkOrange]Texas[/COLOR]

Results: BCS teams = 15, non-BCS teams = 1

Conclusion: More exciting 1st round, but heavily favors the BCS and not inclusive, rich get richer.

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I just hope that I can find an American sports bar in the Manila area that shows football. I might be gone from Aug. until Spring, if I’m selected to go.
No one in Manila will no what the BCS or a Playoff is.

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Example #3 24 team playoff, top 8 teams get 1st round byes, all conference champs included (seems only fair with so many spots available that I won’t consider NOT including ALL conference champs).

[U]East Regional:[/U]

#1(1) [COLOR=Red]Ohio St.[/COLOR] (Big 10) vs winner of:
#4(16) [COLOR=red]Rutgers[/COLOR] (at large) vs #6(24) [COLOR=red]Troy[/COLOR] (SBC)

#2(8) [COLOR=Blue]Boise St.[/COLOR] (WAC) vs winner of:
#3(9) [COLOR=DarkOrange]Auburn[/COLOR] (at large) vs #5(17) [COLOR=SandyBrown]Tennessee[/COLOR] (at large)

[U]West Regional:[/U]

#1(4) [COLOR=Purple]LSU[/COLOR] (at large) vs winner of:
#4(13) [COLOR=Blue]West Virginia[/COLOR] (at large) vs #6(21) [COLOR=DarkRed]Texas A&M[/COLOR] (at large)

#2(5) [COLOR=darkred]USC[/COLOR] (Pac 10) vs winner of:
#3(12) [COLOR=Red]Arkansas[/COLOR] (at large) vs #5(20) [COLOR=Navy]BYU[/COLOR] (MWC)

[U]South Regional:[/U]

#1(2) [COLOR=navy]Florida[/COLOR] (SEC) vs winner of:
#4(15) [COLOR=Sienna]Virginia Tech[/COLOR] (at large) vs #6(23) [COLOR=sienna]Central Michigan[/COLOR] (MAC)

#2(7) [COLOR=Red]Wisconsin[/COLOR] (at large) vs winner of:
#3(10) [COLOR=red]Oklahoma[/COLOR] (Big 12) vs #5(18) [COLOR=Navy]California[/COLOR] (at large)

[U]Midwest Regional:[/U]

#1(3) [COLOR=navy]Michigan [/COLOR](at large) vs winner of:
#4(14) [COLOR=Gray]Wake Forest[/COLOR] (ACC) vs #6(22) [COLOR=Silver]So. Miss.[/COLOR] (CUSA)

#2(6) [COLOR=Red]Louisville[/COLOR] (Big East) vs winner of:
#3(11) [COLOR=DarkGreen]Notre Dame[/COLOR] (at large) vs #5(19) [COLOR=DarkOrange]Texas[/COLOR] (at large)

First 3 teams not included: (#22)[COLOR=darkorange]Oregon St[/COLOR]., (#23)[COLOR=DarkRed]Nebraska[/COLOR], (#24)[COLOR=Sienna]Boston College[/COLOR]

Results: BCS teams = 27, non-BCS teams = 5

Conclusion: Very inclusive, 5 week long playoff, byes seem unfair.