Folks, Survivor is all over this. This is one of the threads that should be 200 pages long. It’s absolutely ridiculous for Chapel Hill to be building a medical school campus in OUR backyard.
You won’t want to hear it, but this is MORE IMPORTANT THAN FOOTBALL.
Can we get a petition started? We need to UNC-Phil hear us on this.
clt thinks this is a vital issue for the future of our school.
clt also says the ncrc in kannapolis will be successful.
You won't want to hear it, but this is MORE IMPORTANT THAN FOOTBALL.
I am a BIG fan of getting a football, however I feel that football is one thing we need to take care of, and send to a committee (much like with the vote, and having an outside consulting firm do a study).
THE MED SCHOOL IN OUR BACKYARD SHOULD BE THE MAIN PRIORITY.
The med school by Chapel Hill is offending, disrespectful, and breaks up everything for which I thought the UNC system was supposed to represent.
I understand Chapel Hill having it for one reason, experience, but this should only be worked out in a way that for 10 years it is Chapel Hill’s and then it is transferred to Charlotte.
I would venture that the BOT knows it cannot do both football and a med school. It might be either/or.
That’ll be hard for some people on this board to swallow. I’d rather have a med. school if it comes down to the two of them, no offense to the die-hard football supporters.
Really, it might be one of three – expansion beyond 25,000 students (requires lots of infrastructure), med school or football. All three at once, or even two of three, would tax the university beyond belief.
Really, it might be one of three -- expansion beyond 25,000 students (requires lots of infrastructure), med school or football. All three at once, or even two of three, would tax the university beyond belief.25,000 would most likely be wanted by the state. As the Charlotte region grows, and Charlotte has the most land to expand to, the UNC System probably talked to Dubois and said, the state has grown to an amount that we have X more seniors than we did 10 years ago, however we are only providing Y classroom space, we need to be at Y+Z classroom space in 10 years, This is our plan for you.
Med School is also being desired by the state, the logical place to put that is Charlotte. The logical place for the school to represent it is, the one in Charlotte.
Football is just something the school wants.
That'll be hard for some people on this board to swallow. I'd rather have a med. school if it comes down to the two of them, no offense to the die-hard football supporters.
especially if it means having football with a Chapel Hill Med school. I would much prefer our own Medical school without the football right now.
I understand it could be a taxing job, but it’s seperate sources of funding. And it seems that the med school thing would be a joint effort by the school, the state and CHS. It may get dirty, but we should come out clean by 2020 with a competing fotball team, top notch med school facilities, growing research institution and 35,000 students! World class University in a matter of 15 years! Remember also, I’m one of those that stayed optomistic about our current men’s basketball team too… :biggrin: That’s what they get paid the big bucks for Mike. It all really comes down to Dubois prying a more respect out of the hands of the state though.
Really, it might be one of three -- expansion beyond 25,000 students (requires lots of infrastructure), med school or football. All three at once, or even two of three, would tax the university beyond belief.
#1 - If you read the background of the university, it’s a sad tale of constantly rejecting anything that might give the school an identity (football, law and medical schools) whenever the opportunity arises. Like, they would be offered a med school or something in the 1970s and they would pass on it and say that it will be an eventuality in the next decade. Then the next decade will come and go, but the same attitude will remain. I saw the football movement as a positive for many reasons, and changing the defeatist attitude at the high levels of the school is near the top of the list. I’ve been on record saying that I would rather have a med school than football.
#2 - Asking to play Div 1AA football in an existing soccer stadium is about as taxing to the BOT as the construction of an indoor tennis facility. I think we all know that football will have to be done “in-house”, as the BOT won’t lift a finger to help us out.
#3 - Since we are not getting the money for our infrastructure as it is, that’s even more of a reason to fight for a med school. At worst, it’s a bargaining chip and at best it will be a boon to the university. I’d be fighting tooth and nail for a med school right now, since the worst that could happen is they say “OK! OK! Look, we’ll give you a med school, but not right now. Here’s your damn funding, now shut the hell up.” The best thing that could happen is we get a medical school so that the level of education doesn’t go down the toilet when the school expands to 25k+. The stupidest thing to do is to sit and whine about a lack of funding and let yet another opportunity slip away. I hate it when the administration tells us that we don’t get what we deserve and then they do nothing about it. DON’T TELL US, TELL THEM!
#4 - The university was able to build, say, the College of Engineering without an athletic program like the soccer team taxing the school into an implosion. Why would the addition of a Div1AA program athletic program effect a med school addition? “Sorry we can’t run any practices for football this week, as Coach has to demonstrate how to perform an angioplasty?”
But if the admin really wants to put a stop to the football movement, I would accept a “medical school” excuse and would shut up. But the university would have to follow through on the project. I refuse to accept any blame for not starting a med school simply because I’m also a football supporter.
[QUOTE=survivor45;216938]#1 - If you read the background of the university, it’s a sad tale of constantly rejecting anything that might give the school an identity (football, law and medical schools) whenever the opportunity arises. Like, they would be offered a med school or something in the 1970s and they would pass on it and say that it will be an eventuality in the next decade. Then the next decade will come and go, but the same attitude will remain. I saw the football movement as a positive for many reasons, and changing the defeatist attitude at the high levels of the school is near the top of the list. I’ve been on record saying that I would rather have a med school than football.
#2 - Asking to play Div 1AA football in an existing soccer stadium is about as taxing to the BOT as the construction of an indoor tennis facility. I think we all know that football will have to be done “in-house”, as the BOT won’t lift a finger to help us out.
#3 - Since we are not getting the money for our infrastructure as it is, that’s even more of a reason to fight for a med school. At worst, it’s a bargaining chip and at best it will be a boon to the university. I’d be fighting tooth and nail for a med school right now, since the worst that could happen is they say “OK! OK! Look, we’ll give you a med school, but not right now. Here’s your damn funding, now shut the hell up.” The best thing that could happen is we get a medical school so that the level of education doesn’t go down the toilet when the school expands to 25k+. The stupidest thing to do is to sit and whine about a lack of funding and let yet another opportunity slip away. I hate it when the administration tells us that we don’t get what we deserve and then they do nothing about it. DON’T TELL US, TELL THEM!
#4 - The university was able to build, say, the College of Engineering without an athletic program like the soccer team taxing the school into an implosion. Why would the addition of a Div1AA program athletic program effect a med school addition? “Sorry we can’t run any practices for football this week, as Coach has to demonstrate how to perform an angioplasty?”
But if the admin really wants to put a stop to the football movement, I would accept a “medical school” excuse and would shut up. But the university would have to follow through on the project. I refuse to accept any blame for not starting a med school simply because I’m also a football supporter.[/QUOTE]
Survivor, you are about the most entertaining on here. And you get to the point while you do it! I agree that one of these needs to happen and now. I’m tired of hearing the “13th in funding” and not “here’s what I’m doing about it”. I know he’s probably doing something about it, but if he’s going to make whining public, then that ought to be public as well. Either way, we need to get out from under this glass ceiling.
Med school more important that Football??? Sorry I don’t see it. A Med school isn’t going to create school spirit or loyalty. It certainly isn’t going to keep students on campus on weekend or bring alumni back to campus. Does it make my diploma more valuable?? Not sure how.
Would I like to have a Med school?? Sure, it would be nice. Do I see any personal benefit?? No. Would I give more money to the school for it?? No. Maybe they should have a student vote on a Med school and see if students are interested in raising their fees for that… But I think that outcome would be fairly easy to predict.
I just see no reason why both couldn’t happen at the same time.
Besides, this is UNC Charlotte, its our destiny to never have either.
Med school more important that Football??? Sorry I don't see it. A Med school isn't going to create school spirit or loyalty. It certainly isn't going to keep students on campus on weekend or bring alumni back to campus. Does it make my diploma more valuable?? Not sure how.Would I like to have a Med school?? Sure, it would be nice. Do I see any personal benefit?? No. Would I give more money to the school for it?? No. Maybe they should have a student vote on a Med school and see if students are interested in raising their fees for that… But I think that outcome would be fairly easy to predict.
But think about what its going to do to our already hurting loyalty and spirit if CHAPEL HILL is in our back yard. We have enough trouble keeping Chapel Hill BASKETBALL crap off our students t-shirts and hoodies when they are hours away - much less when they’r hanging out in our back yard, in OUR territory.
Nothing makes me sicker than the thought of this happening. We NEED to fight this. I’m not expecting a football team decision to officially be reached until 2 years from now AT LEAST - I just dont forsee it in my time here - But with something like this, we need an instantaneous decision, preventing carolina from showing up. No ones planning on basing their college football team in our backyard - it can wait, if it needs to, and I personally am willing to wait until the med school is finished for football.
Medical school >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> football.
In society, there is an obvious winner.
it would be selfish and obsurd to build a football stadium over a medical program.
[SIZE=2]oh yeah, thanks for the rundown survivor[/SIZE]
[QUOTE=uncommon-niner;216968]Medical school >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> football.
In society, there is an obvious winner.
it would be selfish and obsurd to build a football stadium over a medical program.[/QUOTE]
I think this is pretty dead on…
The selfish part of me would much rather have a football team than a med school. But it is crazy to think that the greater good would not benefit from having a med school. It is crazy that…in light of the Dr. and nurse shortages in NC…the state is not pushing for a new school!
I have emailed Dr Phil about this…but he doesnt seem concerned
[QUOTE=uncommon-niner;216968]Medical school >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> football.
In society, there is an obvious winner.
it would be selfish and obsurd to build a football stadium over a medical program.[/QUOTE]
I was just going over this thread again and found it funny how everyone latched on to Mike P’s comments about its one or the other.
THIS IS OUR REAL PROBLEM! SMALL TIME THINKING!
I know the administration has drumbed down your expectations since the day Colvard replaced Cone, but we have to break with this negative legacy of small time thinking and expectations.
If we don’t overcome this drumbed in programming of ours we’ll never have the strength as Alumni and Students to ever get anything done about what we think should be fixed with this University.
This is why the administration and the state have politely listened and ignored our concerns since we joined the System. They know we don’t expect more of them and that we won’t demand more from them!
Here’s a major problem, how many Alumni sit on OUR Board of Trustees? :huh:
We should all take inspiration from what CFI has accomplished and see it as a way to the other things we want, a better atheltic conference, Med School, Law School, name change.
If we make our voices heard we become a stronger force in the University’s future direction and goals.
We can do football and a med school, its not either/or. To be a well rounded institution we need both!
We need football now to increase the public profile of the university. We need the name change to separate us from “the mother ship” and create the identity that football will help highlight.
Football is a key part and it can be done quickly, don’t think that football will kill a med or law school for decades or even years. 12 Million a year is a drop in a med school bucket.
These are relatively simple and cheap things to do compared to a med school, but we must have that too to serve the needs of the largest city between DC and Atlanta.
If you don’t like whats going on with these other topics, MAKE YOUR VOICE HEARD! Call your legislators and get them hopping on it, if they don’t jump high enough help defeat them next election.
BUT MOST IMPORTANT! Change your preception of what we as individuals and as a group can do to improve the U! NCSU has lived in the shadow of “the mother ship” since the 1870’s, but they never let that get in the way of getting what they wanted and we shouldn’t either!
ECU is in the same boat we are, but they have DI-A football and a Med School, and they have them because enough people there who cared finally said that it CAN BE DONE! 
bump:violin:
I would venture that the BOT knows it cannot do both football and a med school. It might be either/or.
Sorry, Mike. I think this is an absurd comment. They are 2 completely separate issues. Funding for a med school would come from a completely different source than a football team. And, in the long run, having a med school would only INCREASE donations to both the school and the athletic program. Doctors make a lot of money, and need large tax deductions.
Starting a football team will not affect the academic funding AT ALL. Student fees vs. state funding and other grant programs.