They might be spreaders if we lower precautions. I agree they are rarely affected (not unaffected).
If we leave out the kids, then we may be giving up on the prospect of herd immunity protecting those people that don’t get vaccinated (for whatever reason, good or bad) or that the vaccine does not protect even after they get it (a small but real percentage). We also may be increasing the likelihood of new variants popping up that the vaccines do not protect against as well. Not vaccinating the kids would be a mistake, provided the testing shows the vaccines are relatively safe in them.
Here is a hell of a concept. If you don’t believe in the virus or don’t want to get vaccinated, then don’t get it. If you want the vaccination, then get it.
Pretty damn black and white to me. I personally don’t care if you get it or not. Nor do I care if others don’t, it is your right to make the appropriate decision for you and your family. Once decisions are made, Darwinism will weed out weak.
I’m getting the vaccination because it is my personal choice and with the hopes that life can get back to some kind of normalcy once more get vaccinated (if it really works or not).
I don’t understand the fascination in trying to change someone’s belief in the vaccination. Provide the facts and move on. It’s like a freaking broken record.
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So just give it to them since we have some on the shelf. Makes sense.
Mass vaccinations of kids won’t happen any time soon in the US. Reluctance by parents will be much higher than the adult population. It would probably be somewhere around 10% acceptance.
What studies say that if we lower the precautions we are currently following, kids won’t spread the illness? Your study above does not say that, it says they haven’t been involved in spreading it so far, and it actually brings up the real issue, contact rates among young adults has been high. If we open up the schools, get rid of most precautions (which is what we all want to see eventually), then the opportunity for transmission will go up. We know kids can spread other illnesses even when they aren’t affected as much by them, so it’d be nice to see the clear evidence that this wouldn’t happen with COVID. You need only look at the flu rates this year to see the precautions people are taking are having a huge effect on transmission of disease.
May, might, maybe is the language of science until we get strong evidence actually addressing the issue. I don’t think we have that evidence yet.
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Dude you seriously need to get laid…but I understand completely why you have not.
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Fully vaccinated as of today. Iredell Memorial Hospital in Statesville runs a very efficient operation.
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Got my second one yesterday. Sore arm and tired, so essentially no side effects for me.
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I got my two shots but I did it mostly so society can just move on. It’s painfully obvious that we have a subset of our population that is not going to go outside or allow us to get back to normal until there is a certain penetration of the vaccine. If me getting shots helps with that then I’m on board. I can’t blame that group - many have viable reasons to be concerned given how many people have YOLO’d this entire thing. With that said the fact that there are still people who even after vaccines and reaching a certain level of herd immunity are still saying they are uncomfortable going out shows the fear machine really did kick it into over drive. Life is dangerous. It didn’t just start being dangerous, it is always dangerous. The only way to live life is to have blinders on to a certain degree. There is a balance to be struck between living in fear and being smart and cautious. Unsurprsingingly in this day in age we have people that have retreated to the far ends.
I did not feel the need personally to get one. I have no health issues and all those around me who do have been vaccinated. I stand a better chance of dying on my motorcycle than I do having a serious case of Covid. The fact my wife had it and either I was asymptomatic or immune furthers my POV that I didn’t need it. If we have to get yearly booster shots I likely won’t do that for the foreseeable future. I also will not vaccinate my children against a virus that is mostly harmless to children. No way I do that until we have a better handle on long term impacts of the vaccine.
I am real curious to see how history views all this. The vaccines, the shutdown, etc. Will be fascinating to watch unfold.
Bingo. My wife and I get ours Thursday. As my wife said let’s just get it over with. J&J one shot and it’s done.
I too am curios on how we look back on this. The irrational fear displayed by some people is concerning. So too is the nonsensical behavior.
While I read this I am watching a basketball game with 10 people on a court banging, breathing and sweating on each other. No mask and no social distancing. As soon as they leave the court and are no longer around anyone they put on a mask. That’s irrational.
Only allowing 10% capacity at outdoor venues while Walmart, Best Buy and Lowe’s are packed is irrational.
10 pm curfews are irrational. Especially since no one followed it .
Allowing restaurants to open to limited capacity but keeping bars closed is irrational.
Unfortunately we’ve had 535k deaths in the US. Over 80% of those were people 65 or older. 16.5% of the population was responsible for 85% of the deaths. Shutting down the entire country was irrational.
It took about 2 weeks for this to go from a medical emergency to a political pawn. We let politicians make/influence decisions doctors and scientist should’ve been making. Both sides of the aisle screwed it up royally starting with Trump. That is irrational.
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Don’t speak any sort of truth to NA lol. Nice post. This thing is very real, but the political fear has been out of control.
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Dude I’m getting vaccinated this week. I’ve said that 2-3 times already. I don’t think fearing the vaccine is rational. It’s extremely safe so fearing it would be irrational.
At this point I think you are arguing with you.
We just have a difference of opinion on the protocols that were enacted. I thought most were born of irrational thinking. You don’t. It’s okay.
I presented reasons I thought the protocols were irrational and you cursed at me and called me names. Again, just a difference in personalities. If you want to keep your family at home and be extremely cautious I don’t care. Nor do I think your stupid. To me it’s just not rational so I chose a different path.
Stay classy.
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I believe shutting down society was the wrong move and history and the data will show that as we distance ourselves from the event and the politics wane. Under 65 and healthy should have been able to keep society moving and businesses open. The older 65 and health compromised folks should have quarantined themselves as we searched for the vaccine. The initial lockdown made sense as death rates originally looking as high as 5% and agnostic to age etc. once it was clear that was not the case we should have adjusted public policy quicker IMO. Keeping some capacity things in place and mask policies and working from home make sense but some things like keeping gyms closed or bars closed just didn’t make sense then and really doesn’t make sense when looking at the data.
Conclusions
People <65 years old have very small risks of COVID-19 death even in pandemic epicenters and deaths for people <65 years without underlying predisposing conditions are remarkably uncommon. Strategies focusing specifically on protecting high-risk elderly individuals should be considered in managing the pandemic.
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I appreciate your thought out responses. You are good at explaining yourself. That is refreshing in this thread.
What should we have done with all the >65 folks while the rest of us were off living normal lives?
Well while the rest of us were working and going about our lives but still following some of the Covid protocols we have established like masks, the older than 65 crowd and those with underlying health issues should have been advised to stay at home and locked down. Keeping the economy moving and people employed would have allowed us to focus government support that needed the most. I’m happy I got a stimulus but if my business hadn’t crashed due to govt shutting stuff down I wouldn’t have needed it and we could have focused those funds on those told to stay home. Rather than protecting the few by asking all to stay in we should have asked the few to stay in so the rest could support them.
I don’t necessarily think what we did was totally wrong, just think once we had more data we needed to adjust what we did faster. We focused on cases so much but the real focus after April of 2020 should have been deaths and hospital capacity. Government was just really slow to adjust public policy in some places or refused to in others. Obviously we needed the federal government to operate differently at the start of all this than we got with Trump. Politicization of this probably represents our biggest failure with how we handled this.
I will say this model would have resulted in more deaths in the under 65 crowd. We know that that crowd can get seriously sick and die from this, it just isn’t common. It might be cold of me but as I said above life is dangerous. We all accept that everyday. Driving, walking down the street, eating out - we all do things that could result in our death or having long term impacts to our lives. We accept those risks for the most part and we do that partly by not thinking about it and taking what precautions we can. When something gets too risky for us we opt out of that activity vs force all of society to opt out.
You can flip your lid and come at him crazy like that, but it doesn’t make his point any less valid. He was right in that there are so many people that have had their vaccines, wear a mask, and STILL will not leave the house. Like at all. Which is sad. The numbers have been bad, but still only 10% or so of people in NC have gotten it.
By all regards the ones you are arguing with have either gotten a vaccine or are getting one. I am getting my second one Tuesday. You need to take a step back from the ledge brother.
I wanna make a button to wear that says fully vaccinated so people stop looking at me weird when I opt to not wear a mask 
. I didn’t have a problem with wearing one but I’ve taken the steps to now not need to wear one. Plus I have I pretty smile. 
Ive worm one too but I told my wife I am pinning my card to my shirt. The mask comes off now that I have done my duty.
My parents are fully vaccinated as well which is great news. I’ve sent an e-mail to Joe to see if we can get together on July 4. Just waiting a response 
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