DeMario Mayfield: Our best player?

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Once again “StillJonesing” turns a thread that has nothing whatsoever to do with ECU into a thread about whether ECU is still as terrible as always or not sucking as bad as they used to but still sucking. Why is this guy still on the board, derailing threads to hype an awful program, possibly the worst program ever in D1 given their situation? What a waste of time.

We could talk about whether Mayfield as a sophomore might actually be our best player and what that means…

Either: 1) our other players have not improved much at all, or maybe even regressed, 2) Henry is not much of an evaluator (he is just a freshman after all), or 3) Mayfield is going to be at least good and might be really good. We’ve had some success with transfers, but they do often seem to be quite the double-edged sword lately (Spears carrying us offensively but a headcase that partially sunk an entire season, Alexander the impressive scorer but also ballhog, Plavich hitting shots from everywhere but no D and shooting us out of a few games). I’d love it if Mayfield is a complete player and contributes while not taking much off the table for the next 3 years. That said, I have to think at least some of our other players have improved from last year’s trainwreck.

Though I’m trying to fight it, I’m starting to get a little excited about what next year’s team will look like. Or at least intrigued. I have no idea how much the turmoil of the season killed last year’s team, how much guys will develop and come together cohesively under Major, and whether all these new guys are going to be talented. It seems like we’d have more hints in the past leaking out, even if they were all through green-colored glasses. It’s been pretty quiet this offseason as far as I can tell. Fewer guys with links to the AD or team following the coaching changes?

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:chuckle:

Taking SJ’s logic for a test drive… I guess that means that Iti really was a top 5 player in the country, and we also landed Cameron Tatum and Mike Beasley. ::slight_smile:

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I wish folks would stop letting SJ turn topics into some kind of nonsense comparison with ECU. ECU is irrelevant and we all know he is delusional. I’d like to read about our guys, not have to skip over pointless conversation about ECU’s pointless basketball program.

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He’s essentially a more-refined version of UAB_Hickler. He’ll go away after we beat ECU.

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Hickler was great- I miss those guys like him, gruehls, squid, etc

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UABheckler was at least pretty entertaining. I actually kind of liked having him around to spout off some funny smack talk.

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Always nice when StillJonesing comes back to remind us all of how much ECU has always sucked out loud in basketball.

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I think people tend to overlook the fact that Demario wasn’t recruited to UGA by Mark Fox. He stayed with UGA after Fox took over and played his freshman season. I highly doubt Fox ran the same system as Demario and may have not been in the new regime’s plans. It’s not a hard concept. I will not profess him to be the savior for our program but he could very easily be our best player, or a major contributor.

As for Nickerson, he’s not known as a scorer. If anything the knock on him in HS was that he lacked the killer instinct on offense. He made up for that in other categories. He was a good rebounder, good passer, and was efficient. If you want to keep looking at the 11 or 12 ppg he averaged that’s fine, but don’t discount the other areas he excelled in along with what was mentioned he was the state tourney MVP for the highest classification in GA (pretty sure it’s the highest classification). He had weapons on his team, he used them, his team won… what do you want from the kid? If anything it shows he has a level of maturity possibly over some other players his age.

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says the guy touting “top 40 national class” rankings that existed before the internet “hit it big”[/quote]

Actually I said they were overated, and it was only brought up as a correction for niner55. I mentioned Dooley because he was linked to your job.

Back on topic. 11ppg 7rpg 2.2apg vs 5a players in Georgia doesn’t read like all world. I think I’d take Mayfield over him based on everything I’ve read. It’s just sort of interesting to watch you guys the way you hated on recruiting JUCO’s and Transfers. Then this guy’s said to be your best player.

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says the guy touting “top 40 national class” rankings that existed before the internet “hit it big”[/quote]

Actually I said they were overated, and it was only brought up as a correction for niner55. I mentioned Dooley because he was linked to your job.

Back on topic. 11ppg 7rpg 2.2apg vs 5a players in Georgia doesn’t read like all world. I think I’d take Mayfield over him based on everything I’ve read. It’s just sort of interesting to watch you guys the way you hated on recruiting JUCO’s and Transfers. Then this guy’s said to be your best player.[/quote]

Hey StillFapping, I think that they’re starting to miss you over on the UNCW board. Why don’t you head back over there and see if you can convince them of Lebo’s greatness. You’d be doing them a favor. They need something to do while they ride out the hurricane.

Oh yeah, one more thing: have a Push Up and STFU.

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says the guy touting “top 40 national class” rankings that existed before the internet “hit it big”[/quote]

Actually I said they were overated, and it was only brought up as a correction for niner55. I mentioned Dooley because he was linked to your job.

Back on topic. 11ppg 7rpg 2.2apg vs 5a players in Georgia doesn’t read like all world. I think I’d take Mayfield over him based on everything I’ve read. It’s just sort of interesting to watch you guys the way you hated on recruiting JUCO’s and Transfers. Then this guy’s said to be your best player.[/quote]

i think youre not getting what im saying. georgia, and atlanta more specifically, is probably the top hoops area in the country. he played in the highest classification with a few pretty big time players and didnt look to score every time he touched. im sure if he wanted he could have averaged 25 ppg. but that wouldnt make him a better player. if you will read previous posts, i and many others on here did not initially like the pick up of mayfield but after hearing rave reviews we are excited. we arent just excited about him based on nothing.

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Best Players are determined when the game lights are on not in pick up or practice. Henry would not know that yet because he has nothing to measure by. He has never even played against D1/A10 competition when it counts.

Ive seen Day Day n all the guys play recently and I really like his game. I believe he will do well this year. Definitely wouldn’t give him the best player tag until he proves it. However IMO he is the one newcomer that will have an immediate impact on both sides of the ball.

The returners and coaches who are all working hard are going to get better, how much better is the million dollar question.
Jamar Briscoe’s Career A-10 Stats:
Year G-S FG-A PCT 3FG-A PCT FT-A PCT
 2010-11 15-14 63-145 .434 25-63 .397 28-36 .778

O-D-REBS-AVG. PF-D AST TO BK ST PTS-AVG.
7-48- 55- 3.7 35-1 37 40 0 18 179-11.9

Briscoe had a very good inaugural year in the A-10 shooting, scoring, rebounding and stealing the ball. If the coaches coach up his weaknesses ( which every player has ) and he improves his ast/to ratio and defense, he has the making of a break out year.

Add what Day Day brings to the table, JB and Derrio and we will be very competitive on the perimeter. This will allow the freshman to grow into their roles instead of being pressured to contribute more than they are capable of at this early stage in their career.

Best case scenario IMO.

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since youve seen the guys practice, can you give us a review of each of the newcomers?

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P. Henry. … quick, very fast, heady, great defender, avg ball handler, good passer, offensive game is a weakness

E. Vic … can do alot of things good but not impact ready in any one area. His greatest asset is his sum which will allow him to be effective, he needs to really work on becoming more aggressive mentally and physically to have early success on this level, deep ball and defense is a weakness

T. Will … best body and most athletic of the group, good defender, very good in transition,finishes well at the rim,can shoot the deep ball fairly well, half court and midrange game is a weakness, inconsistent motor is a weakness

M. Thorne … can be aggressive on the boards in limited spurts, redshirt year would definitely help him if we had the luxury to do so , still struggling to just learn the fundamentals of the game,

These kids have the potential to be very good players and collectively will improve our team. It will be interesting to see how much they develop in the next 3 months. However there are NO program changers (1 N DONES) in this group THE VETERANS AND TRANSFERS HAVE TO STEP UP AND LEAD THEM …if they do so we could surprise alot of people. :smiley:

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P. Henry. … quick, very fast, heady, great defender, avg ball handler, good passer, offensive game is a weakness

E. Vic … can do alot of things good but not impact ready in any one area. His greatest asset is his sum which will allow him to be effective, he needs to really work on becoming more aggressive mentally and physically to have early success on this level, deep ball and defense is a weakness

T. Will … best body and most athletic of the group, good defender, very good in transition,finishes well at the rim,can shoot the deep ball fairly well, half court and midrange game is a weakness, inconsistent motor is a weakness

M. Thorne … can be aggressive on the boards in limited spurts, redshirt year would definitely help him if we had the luxury to do so , still struggling to just learn the fundamentals of the game,

These kids have the potential to be very good players and collectively will improve our team. It will be interesting to see how much they develop in the next 3 months. However there are NO program changers (1 N DONES) in this group THE VETERANS AND TRANSFERS HAVE TO STEP UP AND LEAD THEM …if they do so we could surprise alot of people. :D[/quote]

so hes not left out what about ivankovic?

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P. Henry. … quick, very fast, heady, great defender, avg ball handler, good passer, offensive game is a weakness

E. Vic … can do alot of things good but not impact ready in any one area. His greatest asset is his sum which will allow him to be effective, he needs to really work on becoming more aggressive mentally and physically to have early success on this level, deep ball and defense is a weakness

T. Will … best body and most athletic of the group, good defender, very good in transition,finishes well at the rim,can shoot the deep ball fairly well, half court and midrange game is a weakness, inconsistent motor is a weakness

M. Thorne … can be aggressive on the boards in limited spurts, redshirt year would definitely help him if we had the luxury to do so , still struggling to just learn the fundamentals of the game,

These kids have the potential to be very good players and collectively will improve our team. It will be interesting to see how much they develop in the next 3 months. However there are NO program changers (1 N DONES) in this group THE VETERANS AND TRANSFERS HAVE TO STEP UP AND LEAD THEM …if they do so we could surprise alot of people. :D[/quote] Nice synopsis, thanks!

I’m also curious about Ivankovic, the post is clearly where we’re thinnest right now.

I like hearing that the guards are good defenders. It will be interesting to see who’s first off the bench at pg. I’m assuming Briscoe starts there again, but I wonder if Green (while not at SG), Henry or Voncina will be the primary backup. Or does Briscoe move over to sg on offense?

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P. Henry. … quick, very fast, heady, great defender, avg ball handler, good passer, offensive game is a weakness

E. Vic … can do alot of things good but not impact ready in any one area. His greatest asset is his sum which will allow him to be effective, he needs to really work on becoming more aggressive mentally and physically to have early success on this level, deep ball and defense is a weakness

T. Will … best body and most athletic of the group, good defender, very good in transition,finishes well at the rim,can shoot the deep ball fairly well, half court and midrange game is a weakness, inconsistent motor is a weakness

M. Thorne … can be aggressive on the boards in limited spurts, redshirt year would definitely help him if we had the luxury to do so , still struggling to just learn the fundamentals of the game,

These kids have the potential to be very good players and collectively will improve our team. It will be interesting to see how much they develop in the next 3 months. However there are NO program changers (1 N DONES) in this group THE VETERANS AND TRANSFERS HAVE TO STEP UP AND LEAD THEM …if they do so we could surprise alot of people. :D[/quote]Much thanks.

What have you seen/heard of Voncina and Ivankovic?

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P. Henry. … quick, very fast, heady, great defender, avg ball handler, good passer, offensive game is a weakness

E. Vic … can do alot of things good but not impact ready in any one area. His greatest asset is his sum which will allow him to be effective, he needs to really work on becoming more aggressive mentally and physically to have early success on this level, deep ball and defense is a weakness

T. Will … best body and most athletic of the group, good defender, very good in transition,finishes well at the rim,can shoot the deep ball fairly well, half court and midrange game is a weakness, inconsistent motor is a weakness

M. Thorne … can be aggressive on the boards in limited spurts, redshirt year would definitely help him if we had the luxury to do so , still struggling to just learn the fundamentals of the game,

These kids have the potential to be very good players and collectively will improve our team. It will be interesting to see how much they develop in the next 3 months. However there are NO program changers (1 N DONES) in this group THE VETERANS AND TRANSFERS HAVE TO STEP UP AND LEAD THEM …if they do so we could surprise alot of people. :D[/quote] Nice synopsis, thanks!

I’m also curious about Ivankovic, the post is clearly where we’re thinnest right now.

I like hearing that the guards are good defenders. It will be interesting to see who’s first off the bench at pg. I’m assuming Briscoe starts there again, but I wonder if Green (while not at SG), Henry or Voncina will be the primary backup. Or does Briscoe move over to sg on offense?[/quote]

Illija … strickly role player but comfortable in it ,sets good picks , average rebounder, average feet, above average bb IQ, he has the capability to give us solid if not good minutes in a reserve capacity weakness … very limited offensive skills but can knock down the open 5 to 10 footer ;D , weakness … plays very close to the floor

Luka … 2nd summer session in homeland, have not seen him play other than last year, have heard he’s improved alot over the year though, still Luka may not have the athleticism to overtake P.Henry as the 1st PG on the depth chart

This may be the best overall defensive team we have had in some years on the perimeter and we have the speed and quickness to apply legitimate full court pressure. The post is going to be a problem in man to man situations. However in a zone our post length can be troublesome, effective and save fouls on an extremely thin front line.

On offense if we dont play fast and score in transition (which we have the talent to do) we could struggle simply because we just have very few high caliber scorers and very little post presence offensively.

Briscoe at 12ppg, 43% fg, 39% 3pt, 78% ft in A10 play has proven to be one of the most talented, effective and explosive returning scoring PG’s in the league. Not only does he have to play big minutes. I think we have to start to run plays to get him in space and utilize his offensive creativity off the bounce(which we did very little of last year). Until someone else steps up Deuce is our best offensive weapon and IMO has earned go to status.

P. Henry is going to be the 1st guard off the bench but I also believe he has the talent to start if you want to play Briscoe at the 2 which I feel is a very viable option. Henry makes sound decisions with the ball and will allow us flexibility to play faster with less turnovers.

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Good to hear some positives for both Ivanokovic and Voncina.

Thanks for the write up on everyone.

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excellent writeup. it sounds like we may have to win a lot of games with defense, which is fine with me. i love that fact that we have length and none of the new guys are tweeners. i would love to see deuce play at the shooting guard more, especially if we have henry or a big point guard in there. i think he will benefit from not have to play as part of such a small backcourt all the time. i think ivankovic could be key just for the fact that he may allow braswell to play the power forward more than he did last year. between mayfield and henry, i love how good our defense in the backcourt could be this year. a lineup of henry, mayfield, nickerson, kj and braswell sounds great defensively. remeber, college basketball is a guards game.