Deuce Briscoe leaving the program

Yeah. Cause as we all know both Mayfield and Henry have reached their full potential and won’t improve at all. ::slight_smile:

…and…starting 2 Freshmen at both guard spots is a WINNING strategy. Obviously those 2 Freshmen have already proven to be more D1 effective than any other Freshmen guards we’ve ever recruited.

Well, they don’t have to do much to be more effective than Briscoe and Green…

Well, they don’t have to do much to be more effective than Briscoe and Green…[/quote]

Or Henry and Mayfield. If these freshman can shoot play em right away. We are rebuilding we already know a backcourt of Henry and Mayfield leads to losing missed layups, wide open shots, and missed free throws.

If Lester and Ingram are no better than that … MAJOR BETTER START LOOKING FOR A JOB RIGHT NOW.

I guess players can’t improve. If you aren’t a all league player as a freshman, no way you can be one later in your career.

I thought the stupidity was going to end once Brisco left.

That’s what I get for thinking, I guess.

Lets pretend that Derrio and Deuce made all their layups and say only Demario and Henry missed them. It’s a damn near miracle that they both shot a better overall % than both Derrio and Deuce while Mayfield shot a lower % from three than both Deuce and Derrio while missing all those layups. They must have a midrange game that rivals that of Michael Jordan.

But back to the missing wide open shots it is funny that Henry his freshman season with an injury shot the exact same percentage (32.6) from 3 as Derrio which although not great was still higher than Deuce (32.4).

I know it’s hard to see the stats and general game observations when Deuce’s nuts are your main concentration so I’m glad I could help.

[quote=“cdsniner, post:167, topic:26591”]
I know it’s hard to see the stats and general game observations when Deuce’s nuts are your main concentration so I’m glad I could help.[/quote]

Deuce and Derrio are gone boy… why are you still talking about them. Seems like your the one still bobbin on yesterdays scrotum sacs.

I’m talking Ingram and Lester. We need shooters. Henry, Williams, Mayfield all are horrible shooters. If Ingram is not a better shooter than Henry 32% 3pt 50% ft then Major should have never offered him a scholarship. If he is a better shooter than start him and bring Henry off the bench. Same goes for Lester.

We can play as many freshman as we want because were rebuilding not winning. Major played 3 freshman at the same time last year because he was playing for the future he wasn’t trying to win games now

You don’t shoot the same way for 13 yrs of your life and in 3 months become a shooter. If these freshman are not better than the perimeter players that lost 12 out of 15 games and finished 12th in a 14 team league then we will repeat.

Remember everybody in the A-10 had freshman who will be working just as hard or harder than ours to get better.

[quote=“sokool, post:168, topic:26591”]Deuce and Derrio are gone boy… why are you still talking about them. Seems like your the one still bobbin on yesterdays scrotum sacs.

I’m talking Ingram and Lester. We need shooters. Henry, Williams, Mayfield all are horrible shooters. If Ingram is not a better shooter than Henry 32% 3pt 50% ft then Major should have never offered him a scholarship. If he is a better shooter than start him and bring Henry off the bench. Same goes for Lester.

We can play as many freshman as we want because were rebuilding not winning. Major played 3 freshman at the same time last year because he was playing for the future he wasn’t trying to win games now

You don’t shoot the same way for 13 yrs of your life and in 3 months become a shooter. If these freshman are not better than the perimeter players that lost 12 out of 15 games and finished 12th in a 14 team league then we will repeat.

Remember everybody in the A-10 had freshman who will be working just as hard or harder than ours to get better.[/quote]

Please leave

Shooting does not mean 3%…You need to clarify that. Henry was 4th in Fg% of people who actually played. That is respectable, very respectable. Shooting can be improved everyone knows that. Henry, Briscoe, and Green all shot the same 3% this year. If we are gonna bag on Henry, lets also say we were all off base with the “Green and Deuce are 3pt Shooters”. Clearly, they aren’t.

We need a guy who can shoot there is no doubt about it. Until we get one of those…we are going to keep relying on Braswell and Defense. The ability to knock down wide open jumpers was pathetic. Worst I have ever seen.

[quote=“sportsman1417, post:170, topic:26591”]Shooting does not mean 3%…You need to clarify that. Henry was 4th in Fg% of people who actually played. That is respectable, very respectable. Shooting can be improved everyone knows that. Henry, Briscoe, and Green all shot the same 3% this year. If we are gonna bag on Henry, lets also say we were all off base with the “Green and Deuce are 3pt Shooters”. Clearly, they aren’t.

We need a guy who can shoot there is no doubt about it. Until we get one of those…we are going to keep relying on Braswell and Defense. The ability to knock down wide open jumpers was pathetic. Worst I have ever seen.[/quote]

Again why are you even mentioning what Briscoe and Green shot. They are no longer relevant Move on.

Henry, Mayfield, Williams, Nickerson have yet to show anyone that they can make us a better team or flourish in a Big Ten inside out style offense.

Major Size King either needs to change his offense to suit slashers or start Lester and Ingram who I most definitely hope are better 3pt and foul shooters than what we have.

Major’s slow down offense desperately depends on reliable 3pt and mid range jump shooters. Thats where the kick out is going. Until I see improved shooting I can only base my opinions on the reality what I have seen and thats returning players who routinely missed wide open shots from everywhere on the court, even the free ones from the foul line.

Knowing how pitiful our offensive production was this year Major should have been smart enough to recruit what he needed in Ingram and Lester. Giving Major the benefit of the doubt I assume Lester and Ingram are players who come in with a stroke. Not players who we have to continually wish develop one.

If not we’ll be in the rebuilding NOT WINNING mode for the lifetime of Major’s contract.

No one can bring them up because they are gone yet that is the benchmark for the program the past 3 years. That is why you can compare them. When a freshman pg, who is not a good shooter, can shoot better than both our 2G while playing twice as much defense they are terrible. Anyone would be better in my book.

We averaged just as many points this year as last year with freshman playing and our “shooters” being nonexistent and shooting less threes. I would beg to differ on his system, “desperately depends on reliable 3pt…”.

[quote=“sportsman1417, post:172, topic:26591”]No one can bring them up because they are gone yet that is the benchmark for the program the past 3 years. That is why you can compare them. When a freshman pg, who is not a good shooter, can shoot better than both our 2G while playing twice as much defense they are terrible. Anyone would be better in my book.

We averaged just as many points this year as last year with freshman playing and our “shooters” being nonexistent and shooting less threes. I would beg to differ on his system, “desperately depends on reliable 3pt…”.[/quote]

Our 2g position in Major’s offense avg 6-7 shots per game. 80 percent of our horrible shooting came from positions other than the 2g position. That would tell a rational person that our shooting woes were systemic rather than isolated to one position.

Putting those same shooters out there together again and adding two worse shooters in T.Will and E.Vic is just asking for a repeat of last year.

Sokool, do you know where Deuce is transferring? If they have a message board, I’m paying it an occasional visit just to see what you tell them.

[quote=“49r9r, post:174, topic:26591”]Sokool, do you know where Deuce is transferring? If they have a message board, I’m paying it an occasional visit just to see what you tell them.[/quote]DII schools typically don’t have message boards.

[quote=“sokool, post:173, topic:26591”]Our 2g position in Major’s offense avg 6-7 shots per game. 80 percent of our horrible shooting came from positions other than the 2g position. That would tell a rational person that our shooting woes were systemic rather than isolated to one position.

Putting those same shooters out there together again and adding two worse shooters in T.Will and E.Vic is just asking for a repeat of last year.[/quote]

More garbage out of your mouth. There is no way to calculate that because many games Mayfield played the two along with Deuce, Williams, Derrio. The truth is we attempted 1,683 Field goals and those 4 players listed shot 716 of them. 42% of our shots this season came from them. Take out Mayfield and you get 26%. Take out Williams and you get almost 22%. 22% of our total shots this season were taken by Deuce and Derrio who were nearly dead last on the team in fg%. The bottom seven was Williams, Luka, Deuce, Evic, Green, Lewis, Thorne for the team. Seeing how Williams took 4% of the total shots I will give him a pass. Not the other two. When a fifth of you shots go in under 35% of the time…good luck winning.

Why such a debate over Briscoe? Everyone knows what he was in Major’s system. Would of he been better in a different system? Probably… Hence why he left and coaches couldn’t make him happy. It was painfully obvious Major’s system and Briscoe / Green style did not match. They are both gone and thank goodness. Who wanted to watch Briscoe and Green stand around the 3 point line with 3 other players passing it back and forth while Braswell tries to get open underneath for 30 seconds and then someone taking a bad shot.

Briscoe has moved on and it’s better for everyone. I wish Briscoe the best and I hope Major pulls a rabbit out of his a$$ with a squad full of freshman playing. Now everyone except Braswell will be “Major’s guy” starting.

[quote=“Niner National, post:175, topic:26591”][quote=“49r9r, post:174, topic:26591”]Sokool, do you know where Deuce is transferring? If they have a message board, I’m paying it an occasional visit just to see what you tell them.[/quote]DII schools typically don’t have message boards.[/quote]Wait!! What will sokool do with his life now?

Sokool has chosen Ingram as his next Deuce.

Sokool has chosen Ingram as his next Deuce.[/quote]I thought Sokool had a height limit.