[i]Originally posted by LeftyNiner[/i]@Jan 31 2005, 08:54 AM
[b] We're still getting some talented guys...
A couple of in-state guys to keep an eye on are Doneal Mack at Statesville Christian, Smith at Central Cabarrus, and Goode at Providence Day. [/b]
No doubtâŚI think Bobby is bringing more talent to this school than any previous coach.
But Iâd like to be a fly on the wall in his office one during a recruiting discussion. Iâm curious where the guys they actually get stack up vs. their initial targets.
What does GT have to offer Jarrett Jack (& FSU have for Von Wafer) that Lutz canât put on the table?
Iâll try to watch these guys you mentioned a little closer.
Cmon guys,letâs be honest. What those schools have to offer that we donât isA-C-C.Despite some of the whiners opinions,itâs the premiere college basketball conference.We happen to be in a very good basketball conference now,imo.But it ainât the ACC,and the top recruits usually want to play in the top conferences,thatâs just life.
[i]Originally posted by lucky57[/i]@Jan 31 2005, 10:51 AM
[b]But it ain't the ACC,and the top recruits usually want to play in the top conferences,that's just life.[/b]
So you are saying that's just life & you're implying there is nothing the school can do about it. As I see it, this leaves us with 2 options:
Be darn glad to have whatever is put on the court.
In the immortal words of Mr. Belushi
What?! Over? Did you say over? NOTHING is over until WE decide it is! Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor? HELL, NO!
And it ainât over now. âCause when the goinâ gets tough⌠the tough get goinâ! Whoâs with me? Letâs go!
[i]Originally posted by SilvioDante[/i]@Jan 31 2005, 09:52 AM
[b] What does GT have to offer Jarrett Jack (& FSU have for Von Wafer) that Lutz can't put on the table? [/b]
More media coverage, more support for their program, more tradition, more noteriety etc.
There is no doubt that if a kid goes to an ACC school theyâre going to get much more media coverage just by virture of being in the acc. Itâs an unfortunant fact of life. That and many of these kids grew up ACC fans and thatâs the only place theyâve ever wanted to play, see Chris Paul.
[i]Originally posted by LeftyNiner[/i]@Jan 31 2005, 08:54 AM
[b]
Lutz's style ... [/b]
One of the announcers the other day said Virginia's Pete Gillen's style may be what's holding him back. He won big in the A-10 by having better athletes than everyone else, but he can't consistently recruit players in the ACC to do that. It's hard to get athletes who can compete at the top levels in a style that relies on athleticism, and only the very best programs can do it consistently. Even Gonzaga wins not on athleticism but on execution. Discuss.
SilvioâŚI didnât say I liked the fact that the ACC gets 10 times the coverage that Conf. USA does,but it does,and we both know that thatâs what 99% of high school kids react to.The sadder news is that weâll probably get less exposure(surely less in the southeast) in the A-TEN.I think Lutzâ job is gonna get a lot harder selling kids on playing Temple ,Lasalle, Rhode Island etcâŚvs. playing Cinci.,Louisville,Memphis etc.
We need to execute a little better, for Godâs sake, this was one game, we played like sh$% and that is all.
Lets see what we do Saturday, even the mighty ACC, and Tarholes lose games they are not supposed to , ie Santa ClaraâŚdoes that mena they donât have good players?
[i]Originally posted by sf49er[/i]@Jan 31 2005, 12:08 PM
[b] We have plenty of good players........
We need to execute a little better, for Godâs sake, this was one game, we played like sh$% and that is all.
Lets see what we do Saturday, even the mighty ACC, and Tarholes lose games they are not supposed to , ie Santa ClaraâŚdoes that mena they donât have good players?
Come on, be realistic. [/b]
You canât compareâŚ
You donât and shouldnât fall to teams like ECU this late into the seasonâŚ
Mike. I heard that same statement and my first reaction is to disagree. Recruiting should never be the problem in the ACC. The hype alone should get you 2 studs a year. If UVA has higher academic requirements then I could understand but to say you can not get athletes in the ACC is one that I am wavering on. UAB seems to have been able to build on that style pretty quickly and I know they do not get the athletes UVA does.
The last thing on the recruiting subject. You have to be able to get players. Bottom line. An example of the list I mentioned earlier. Rajon Rondo. Lutz was the first to see him at his in home visits and I remember Neo coming on and saying it looked pretty good. For whatever reason we lost out. I have watched this kid a lot at Kentucky this year and in my opinion he is one of the best point guards in the country (forget that is he just a freshman). Sign him and we are in the top 15 team this whole season and a scary talented group. That is a perfect example of how close you are but also what you are facing (Kentucky) to land these players. The competition for these kids is unbelievable and I for one do not want that job in this lifetime.
The one thing that is the most frustrating to me is the example of Mike Jones. We lost him to Maryland. I wonder if his decision would have been a little different knowing how much playing time he has received at Maryland and what he could have received here at Charlotte and his freedom at the 2G.
[i]Originally posted by TheShowDawg[/i]@Jan 31 2005, 12:23 PM
[b] Recruiting should never be the problem in the ACC. [/b]
I don't think it's a problem at Virginia. The place I think the point is valid is that Gillen can't recruit the kinds of kids he needs to out-athlete people in the ACC. And while Lutz can get the kinds of kids to do that in CUSA with the exception of Cincinnati and Louisville, will playing his style with the kids he can get lead to consistent Sweet 16 appearances? That's the question, and the reason I put it in a thread about expectations. They're exciting to watch, but inconsistent, as we've seen. I don't know the answer, but it's an interesting question. Would you trade for a style more like, say, Gonzaga but know you were going to be consistent first-round winners with an Elite Eight sprinkled in?
The NCAA is a coachâs environment. Getting your players, whoever they are, to play the way you want them to is key. Given that in college, most players wonât ever see the big pay days, winning should be pretty important to them. Iâd say most coaches get their players to play how they want them to play. That said, if you donât win, itâs more of an issue with your style than it is your players.
I like Bobby Lutz. He can recruit, and he wins. But if I was a coach, I would NOT emulate his style under any circumstance. I can like Lutz as our coach and feel this way.
[i]Originally posted by sf49er[/i]@Jan 31 2005, 12:23 PM
[b]NO TEAM ever has all the talent they want........You do the best you can with what you bring into your system.
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Yep, no matter how touted (cough, coughâŚIti) someone is, you never know how talented the person really is & will they really fit into the program until they are in uniform.
My whole frustration is illustrated right here:
[b]Rajon Rondo. Lutz was the first to see him at his in home visits and I remember Neo coming on and saying it looked pretty good. For whatever reason we lost out. [/b]
Lutz sure does appears to be getting to the homes of the âtop talentâ, but it doesnât happen at âclosing timeâ. No Lutz doesnât have the association of a âpremier conferenceâ to throw in front of people, but heâs not trying to sell them on playing for CPCC either.
Maybe (Iâm not trying to open another can of worms here) Lutz doesnât have as many âbenefitsâ. In other words, maybe Lutz doesnât the type of connections that a Jim Tressel has.
Lutz may have nothing more than 1) basketball 2) education to offer to recruits.
A most reasonable expectation of this program is for students to see a win in the NCAA tournament. Our students have never seen the Niners win a game in the tournament. Is one win in four years too much to ask?