Where might this opposition come from? Why so coy?
The burden would be on the faculty to prove why we SHOULDNT move on with football. If all they have is what you have listedā¦Iām not worried. We would have the support of the $tudentsā¦Alumniā¦the branding studyā¦and hopefully the Board. I would think the faculty would need a bit more then just a bunch of preconceived notions and stereotypes.
Not to mentionā¦I think Mac Everett>>>>>>>>>>Faculty.
Not sure how Iām being coy. Many faculty that I talk with donāt want football, in the College of Arts & Sciences generally. I donāt think the faculty will have to prove anything, merely a vote on the Faculty council is all they have to do. Iām not saying that it will prevent football, but it cannot be simply dismissed as inconsequential.
For those who have attended the Committee meetings, whatās the attitude of those faculty members?
ATL is right. Ultimately, the administration should make a sound decision based on the will of the people who are going to be paying for it.
I donāt disagree, but isnāt it prudent to be prepared for opposition from all quarters instead of just arguing that they have no reason to oppose it?
Not sure how I'm being coy. Many faculty that I talk with don't want football, in the College of Arts & Sciences generally. I don't think the faculty will have to prove anything, merely a vote on the Faculty council is all they have to do. I'm not saying that it will prevent football, but it cannot be simply dismissed as inconsequential.
For those who have attended the Committee meetings, whatās the attitude of those faculty members?
You stated that we were underestimating where the opposition would come from. I took it as you knew of important people who were against football.
The faculty might not have to āproveā anythingā¦but I would hope that they would give an official reason why they are against it. That reason would have to be based in some type of factual evidence wouldnt it?
[FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3]OK, remove your āconspiracy theoryā hat for a moment and stop trying to implicate me in some grand plan to undermine football at Charlotte; I fully support football here and Iām on record many times saying just that.[/SIZE][/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3]Iām not trying to āminimizeā the student poll, rather trying not to overemphasize it either.[/SIZE][/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3]Students will not pay the āentireā cost of football here anymore than they pay for all other sports.[/SIZE][/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3]Faculty do oppose football at many schools, no question about it, but I think youāre also underestimating where opposition might come from, what role it could make in the administrationās decision, and if all anyone then does is merely criticize the opposition it wonāt produce a positive result.[/SIZE][/FONT]
this is not exclusive to UNCC professors. I believe at ANY college that starts football, you are going to have a large contigent of faculty against any improvement to sports in general. They want all $$ pumped to academics, and in general donāt watch sports, that is their nature. It could be here, chapel hill, columbia, or USF.
also, I donāt care what a UNCC employee thinks. The only right he/she has is to deposit their paycheck. I care what people think who A) have a UNCC diploma on the wall or B) in the near future will have that diploma. If you are not an alum, student, or donor then you have no right to an opinion on the subject. Professors should show up, teach, get paid, and keep quiet.
You stated that we were underestimating where the opposition would come from. I took it as you knew of important people who were against football.
The faculty might not have to āproveā anythingā¦but I would hope that they would give an official reason why they are against it. That reason would have to be based in some type of factual evidence wouldnt it?
With shared governance, the Faculty Council would have mintues that would likely contain the reasons for the opposition, but with more than 800 faculty it has some influence. āImportantā is a relative term in this case, Iāve talked with some Deans who oppose it (as well as one who is in favor). Does a faculty member at Charlotte for 30 years make them more important than someone here 10? Does a Chairās opinion matter more than a tenured faculty member?
The faculty will have a voice and some might organize to oppose it, but will it be enough to stop football I canāt say. Iām merely trying to urge everyone to take it into account in order to counter it. Dismissing it and telling faculty to mind their own business or worry about where they went to school is not the right strategy. Most Faculty here care as much about the institution and its future as do alums, students, and many in the community. They think about the schoolās reputation, its academics, and its athletics.
I do know a lot of Faculty who are season ticket buyers for basketball, contribute to the Athletic foundation (at fairly significcant amounts), and some do and some do not support football. A couple have mentioned that they would reconsider if football was adopted and some have been as eager as I am for football.
[QUOTE=Elonphoenix;258856]With shared governance, the Faculty Council would have mintues that would likely contain the reasons for the opposition, but with more than 800 faculty it has some influence. āImportantā is a relative term in this case, Iāve talked with some Deans who oppose it (as well as one who is in favor). Does a faculty member at Charlotte for 30 years make them more important than someone here 10? Does a Chairās opinion matter more than a tenured faculty member?
The faculty will have a voice and some might organize to oppose it, but will it be enough to stop football I canāt say. Iām merely trying to urge everyone to take it into account in order to counter it. Dismissing it and telling faculty to mind their own business or worry about where they went to school is not the right strategy. Most Faculty here care as much about the institution and its future as do alums, students, and many in the community. They think about the schoolās reputation, its academics, and its athletics.
I do know a lot of Faculty who are season ticket buyers for basketball, contribute to the Athletic foundation (at fairly significcant amounts), and some do and some do not support football. A couple have mentioned that they would reconsider if football was adopted and some have been as eager as I am for football.[/QUOTE]
For those who oppose, what are their reasons??
I hope they are smart enough to realize that college is alot more than just sitting in the classroom.
Any faculty that oppose football that went to a school that has football is a hypocrit.
Any faculty that previously worked at a college that has football that opposed football is a hypocrit.
[QUOTE=casstommy;258844]You stated that we were underestimating where the opposition would come from. I took it as you knew of important people who were against football.
The faculty might not have to āproveā anythingā¦but I would hope that they would give an official reason why they are against it. That reason would have to be based in some type of factual evidence wouldnt it?[/QUOTE]
Here is the official response for faculty opposition to football.
[QUOTE=Dr. Ima Dumbass, Phd, UBFE]It takes money I would never get in the first place from my rediculous pet project because no one but me cares about it anyway. MY MONEY! MEMEMEMEMEMEMEMEME!!![/QUOTE]
Pretty much. Most faculty are ignorant to the fact that funding for academics and athletics are absolutely, positively, 100% not guilā¦ mutually exclusive. Sorry, all the OJ stuff brought me back to the trial.
I hope they are smart enough to realize that college is alot more than just sitting in the classroom.[/quote]
I think many of them do, but that doesnāt mean they donāt still oppose it. Itās one reason why I do support it; college should be the full experience and football is a part of that and it has been absent too long here. Still, faculty are academics and have a different agenda with regard to the university and athletics doesnāt always fit into that scheme.
Also, many of them do contribute financially to the university, so suggesting as some have that all they do it get a paycheck and make not other contributions is untrue.
[QUOTE=Elonphoenix;258856]I do know a lot of Faculty who are season ticket buyers for basketball, contribute to the Athletic foundation (at fairly significcant amounts), and some do and some do not support football. A couple have mentioned that they would reconsider if football was adopted and some have been as eager as I am for football.[/QUOTE]
Care to drop any names? Pro or con, doesnāt matter, Iām looking at the list of 49er Club members and I donāt see many faculty members that I know of that are āsignificant amountā donors as you put it.
FWIWā¦ I know what my rank is and Iām contributing far more than two former Chancellor are.
With shared governance, the Faculty Council would have mintues that would likely contain the reasons for the opposition, but with more than 800 faculty it has some influence. "Important" is a relative term in this case, I've talked with some Deans who oppose it (as well as one who is in favor). Does a faculty member at Charlotte for 30 years make them more important than someone here 10? Does a Chair's opinion matter more than a tenured faculty member?
The faculty will have a voice and some might organize to oppose it, but will it be enough to stop football I canāt say. Iām merely trying to urge everyone to take it into account in order to counter it. Dismissing it and telling faculty to mind their own business or worry about where they went to school is not the right strategy. Most Faculty here care as much about the institution and its future as do alums, students, and many in the community. They think about the schoolās reputation, its academics, and its athletics.
I do know a lot of Faculty who are season ticket buyers for basketball, contribute to the Athletic foundation (at fairly significcant amounts), and some do and some do not support football. A couple have mentioned that they would reconsider if football was adopted and some have been as eager as I am for football.
well it sounds like you understand why they oppose. Why do some oppose? There really is no sound reason to oppose football if you care about UNCC long term.
I'm not saying that it will prevent football, but it cannot be simply dismissed as inconsequential.
Actually it can. Faculty are free to offer their opinion but it should carry no more weight than somone off the street offering theirās. As a result there is no preperation required to try and either change their mind or combat their opinion.
Football will not take money from academics as they are seperate budgets. State funds in NC canāt be used for athletics. So their salaries are not impacted.
They also canāt claim it will divert donations, because they wrongly assume that the $1000 check I stroke for football would have been a $1000 check Iād have given for academics.
The opinions that should drive this football decision are those of alumni and students. Faculty are welcome to offer their opinions. But their opinions should carry no weight on the final decision.
FWIW, I would expect there to be faculty opposition and would be disappointed if there wasnāt any. I say the latter because if there wasnāt any opposition, then I would say our faculty are apathetic as concerns their mission as educators, etc.
HP, I wouldnāt put too much into the fact your 49er Club donation is more than a couple of former chancellors (hmmmā¦wonder who they are?! ) since I would think for them itās just one of many donations they make that include other worthy causes in addition to 49er athletics. Iām just glad they do contribute to the cause!
I would think a Chancellor would contribute to academics not athletics.
My work doesnāt ask me if I agree with them being one of the downtown power brokers.
[QUOTE=stonecoldken;258895]I would think a Chancellor would contribute to academics not athletics.
My work doesnāt ask me if I agree with them being one of the downtown power brokers.[/QUOTE]
I would expect a chancellor to contribute to both. And when one of our chancellors becomes a downtown power broker, I would like to know about it because it hasnāt happened yet and will be a great thing for the university if and when it does.
[QUOTE=run49er;258891]HP, I wouldnāt put too much into the fact your 49er Club donation is more than a couple of former chancellors (hmmmā¦wonder who they are?! ) since I would think for them itās just one of many donations they make that include other worthy causes in addition to 49er athletics. Iām just glad they do contribute to the cause!
GO NINERS![/QUOTE]
I would since their retirement $$$ is still more than I make. :weep:
) since I would think for them itās just one of many donations they make that include other worthy causes in addition to 49er athletics. Iām just glad they do contribute to the cause!