[QUOTE=MKNiner;258880]They also canāt claim it will divert donations, because they wrongly assume that the $1000 check I stroke for football would have been a $1000 check Iād have given for academics.[/QUOTE]
Ring the bellā¦ we have a WINNER!
[QUOTE=HP49er;258910]Ss, make sure you go in and ruffle the hierarchy feathers, it will help in your movement to gain tenured status.[/QUOTE]
Iāll do my best. Iām sure my politics will sit quite well with the high-ups at a public university!
What are you teaching?
Faculty is just upset because football would take more attention off them. Some of them couldnāt care less about students, really.
I doubt a Libertarian would make them mad. Most administrators are liberal, so as long as youāre not Gop, you should be golden.
And donāt ruffle too many feathers. We want you to keep your job.
[QUOTE=stonecoldken;258916]I doubt a Libertarian would make them mad. Most administrators are liberal, so as long as youāre not Gop, you should be golden.
And donāt ruffle too many feathers. We want you to keep your job.[/QUOTE]
LOLOLOLOL
From the academic side, it's mostly stereotypical stuff (more dumb jocks, reduced admission standards, etc.), but firmly believed.
Actually the opposite will occur. Football will in fact produce an overwhelming amount of applicants to the point that the university will have to weed out the ādumb Jocksā (other than our prized players, who will probably be in athletic classes anywaysā¦ and Iām sure those professors would support football) leaving an even higher average GPA / test score requirement for acceptance into this establishment.
So I donāt know why you are freaking out. The faculty are probably just worried that with all the new income coming in from football that they will lose their jobs to more established/ better/ higher paid professors.
So I don't know why you are freaking out. The faculty are probably just worried that with all the new income coming in from football that they will lose their jobs to more established/ better/ higher paid professors.
absolutely no way this happens. They recieve a paycheck from a entity whose first four words are āthe university of North Carolinaā What is more prestigous than that? The glory and history of things that happen 2 hours east of here are what keep this school a float, not individual efforts, by well, themselves. (sarcasm off)
as for faculty opposition, who cares? I donāt think you can formulate one reason that they should be against it that could not easily be disputed. It doesnāt hurt their paycheck. Also, better students, better grades, easier life for them.
[QUOTE=Powerbait;258913]What are you teaching?[/QUOTE]
film production, film criticism, and survey of european cinema
congrats, sideshow.
Back to the original question: A while back, I was at a family gathering and was talking to my sister-in-lawās father - who is a retired mathematics department head from Wisconsin (real good guy). He told me that he used to attend football games with other faculty members and they would all boo the home team. The reason? He felt that if his university got rid of football, then the math department would get more money.
The solution? I talked to him for half an hour about the subject. Thatās all. Sometimes the biggest enemy is misconceptions and falsehoods and the best way to counter that is to just take some time to talk about it. After a little discussion, he seemed to agree that football did not hurt his math department as he had assumed after all.
[...] The faculty are probably just worried that with all the new income coming in from football that they will lose their jobs to more established/ better/ higher paid professors.I was thinking the same thing, tbh.
the football movement clearly needs a slogan in regards to naysayers and faculty types. If you ask me the 49er club and athletic dept should already have marketed this. Maybe this is a project for the CFI or student body.
Something along these lines:
[B] 49er football, donāt fumble our future[/B]
[QUOTE=Sideshow;258935]film production, film criticism, and survey of european cinema[/QUOTE]
Sweet dude, hopefully I can sit in on one of your classes one day.
I doubt a Libertarian would make them mad. Most administrators are liberal, so as long as you're not Gop, you should be golden. And don't ruffle too many feathers. We want you to keep your job.
Yer funny, I like you.
film production, film criticism, and survey of european cinema
They arenāt going to make you cut your hair are they?
[QUOTE=Elonphoenix;258796][FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3]I have somewhat of a hypothetical question for members of NNN: how will folks react to faculty opposition to football?[/SIZE][/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3]Iām asking because over the last year Iāve informally polled many faculty and the overwhelming majority oppose, in principle and fact, football at Charlotte. The reasons are many, but legitimate and serious. Itās an odd caase because many faculty support athletics, many have season tickets for basketball games, but are firmly opposed to football.[/SIZE][/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3]Iāve not attend the Football Committee meetings, so I donāt know what the attitude or disposition of those faculty members has been, but I can envision, in the event that the Committee recommends football, the University Faculty Council (which has shared governance responsibilities with the administrationāalbeit not always exercised) voting nearly unanimously to oppose and recommending rejection of the Committeeās findings.[/SIZE][/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3]I have no evidence to suggest that will be the case, but if it does happen it will have a tremendous influence and/or implications.[/SIZE][/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3]Short of denigrating the faculty as āno-nothingsā and āinconsequential,ā what strategies might those in favor of football pursue to counter this opposition? The student poll will only be one counter-balance, but probably insufficient in the long run. It will be only one of the many factors used to make the final decision. Iāve used all of the reasons that Iāve seen written about here, Iāve even emphasized the various intangibles (such as what was in the Raleigh N&Oās recent article), but those are hard to measure and do little to convince faculty opposed to football that it is needed here.[/SIZE][/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3]Just curious.[/SIZE][/FONT][/QUOTE]
When we started the football movement I sent an email to every single professor and administrator to let then know of our existence and gauge their support or opposition. The response I got back was 2 to 1 in support of football. Now the desenters are adament and ill informed, but they will be vocal. We just need to make sure the supporters are just as vocal.
[QUOTE=kevinharbin;258960]They arenāt going to make you cut your hair are they?[/QUOTE]
i cut my hair a couple weeks ago, but no one made me
[QUOTE=Sideshow;258964]i cut my hair a couple weeks ago, but no one made me[/QUOTE]
Conformist! Now your Liberal colleagues will call you a Neo-Con.
[QUOTE=Elonphoenix;258809]OK, remove your āconspiracy theoryā hat for a moment[/QUOTE]
Iāve read every post in this thread and I have not seen any conspiracy theory postsā¦ including the post you relpied to with this statement.
Are you by any chance a faculty member and if so, are you in favor or opposed to football? (Since youāve been polling faculty members, it makes sense that you could fall into this category)
On another noteā¦ Sideshow is beginning to act like an old fart.
[QUOTE=metro;258947]the football movement clearly needs a slogan in regards to naysayers and faculty types. If you ask me the 49er club and athletic dept should already have marketed this. Maybe this is a project for the CFI or student body.
Something along these lines:
[B] 49er football, donāt fumble our future[/B][/QUOTE]
That would look great on a T-shirt.
Speaking of, do we still have the āBring college football to Charlotteā shirts. Mine is getting a little tight on me after all the washing.