Final head Coach poll

seems to be down to Amato and Lambert, let’s get the pulse of Niner Nation.

Between those 2 I want Amato. Would rather have an ACC reject Head Coach with name recognition then a no name ACC reject DC with ZERO name recognition. Our first coach must be a salesman!

Amato isn’t happening.

clearly Amato is running away with this poll, yet the power’s at be are going against the ones who started football. We all know the AD and CHP fought it tooth and nail till they couldn’t hold it back anymore >:( are they really the one’s we want running things? Truly pathetic. >:(

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I’d very much like to know the reason, if we don’t hire Amato and we do hire someone no one has heard of, why we skipped over a candidate that matched everything this AD has said she wanted in a first head coach. Even if Amato wanted a few dollars more it would have been to our long range benefit to find that money. I’m sure we won’t get an explaination, so we’ll be left to speculate rampantly as to why our athletics department seems to have a self defeating nature; instead of having a rational reason set forth for such a decision that most major conference fans would expect from their schools AD’s. Lack of communication is the Charlotte 49ers’ biggest problem, on all fronts.

They aren’t just gonna throw Amato under the bus. What good would that do anyone? Clearly, there is a reason or multiple reasons he isn’t going to be hired and whatever they are must have turned either Judy or Phil or both off. Like it or not, these are the people that call the shots.

They are going to hire a coach and tell everyone that he was the cream of the crop because that’s what you say at a presser and “despite what you have heard _____ is the only person we considered and offered the job to.” We get behind whoever said coach is and move on. He’s got a program to build, and whoever it is deserves a fair shot. His first impressions of us don’t need to be a divided fanbase over his hire. He has recruiting to do and FSLs to sell. Its going to be at least 3-5 years before we even know what kind of coach he is on the field and in the W-L columns. Let us criticize then. This is going to be a long process.

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doesn’t look so divided to me looks like 85 % are clearly in Amato’s corner.

They aren’t just gonna throw Amato under the bus. What good would that do anyone? Clearly, there is a reason or multiple reasons he isn’t going to be hired and whatever they are must have turned either Judy or Phil or both off. Like it or not, these are the people that call the shots.

They are going to hire a coach and tell everyone that he was the cream of the crop because that’s what you say at a presser and “despite what you have heard _____ is the only person we considered and offered the job to.” We get behind whoever said coach is and move on. He’s got a program to build, and whoever it is deserves a fair shot. His first impressions of us don’t need to be a divided fanbase over his hire. He has recruiting to do and FSLs to sell. Its going to be at least 3-5 years before we even know what kind of coach he is on the field and in the W-L columns. Let us criticize then. This is going to be a long process.[/quote]

I think you and MK in the other thread miss the point entirely. It’s not that people who want Chuckie will refuse to give the new head coach a chance. It’s not that those supporters think the program is doomed from the beginning, or are turning our backs on 49er athletics. It’s also not about what is fair.

It’s that, if we don’t hire CTC, we will have clearly missed an opportunity to hire a guy for the first 2-3 years who has exactly the qualities we are looking for. Charismatic, engaging. I’m not saying CTC was going to come here and recruit Phillip Rivers and garner $60 million in donations. He damn sure got us more press for 49er football in two weeks than we have gotten in the last six months single handedly though.

The point is, if we hire some no-name from somewhere, it will prove once and for all, that we are mickey mouse. It will genuinely prove to me that either the chancellor, Judy, or both refuse to have a coach in the AD that has more personality than the department. I think that’s really sad, because that’s not how it’supposed to be.

I never said everyone that wanted Chuck would be that way. But there is an NBC crowd on here that will very much be that way.

It's that, if we don't hire CTC, we will have [b]clearly[/b] missed an opportunity to hire a guy for the first 2-3 years who has [b]exactly [/b]the qualities we are looking for. Charismatic, engaging. I'm not saying CTC was going to come here and recruit Phillip Rivers and garner $60 million in donations. He damn sure got us more press for 49er football in two weeks than we have gotten in the last six months single handedly though.

Hypothetical for you. Let’s say Chuck was considered. Let’s say, as would be appropriate, Judy reached out to the State Athletic Department as well as some big whigs in the State Athletic Foundation. Let’s say to a person they said steer clear of Chuck. Is still a missed opportunity? Is our hire, because he’s not Chuck really show us to be “mickey mouse” or does it show that, as she should, Judy took careful time and consideration in making the choice and relied on those with experience and knowledge to guide the decision making process?

It will genuinely prove to me that either the chancellor, Judy, or both [b]refuse to have a coach in the AD that has more personality than the department[/b]. I think that's really sad, because that's not how it'supposed to be.

This is the point of view I just don’t understand. The idea that Judy is willing to forgo the best possible hire in order to preserve some non-existent pereception of her “personality” makes no sense. What is this based on exactly? Hiring Major? Our first high profile hire in over a decade is not Mr. Personable, that’s true. But is that what you point to as evidence of some narcissistic quark Judy has to somehow be the center of attention? To be honest if I didn’t know Judy was our AD I wouldn’t know she was our AD. She appears on the court at halftime of basketball games occassionally to honor athletes but outside that I hear virtually nothing about her. I would think if she’s so obsessed with being the center of the 49er universe I would hear a heck of a lot more about her. But that’s me.

Stop being logical, MK.

Amato’s a big name with loads of charisma. But we KNOW what happened when the talent ran out at NC State. He’s going to get even less talent here.

I’m not buying the “we’re going to be terrible anyway” excuse. We will have top-notch facilities for FCS and should be competitive quickly.

Is Lambert going to be a good coach? I don’t know, but if he’s hired it doesn’t make us “mickey mouse.”

Our marketing and the way we’ve pushed football to the community so far, yes, that’s left a ton to be desired, but I’m not going to be upset that we didn’t hire a washed up ACC reject who couldn’t finish better than 4th in conference, even in his best year.

Amato isn’t happening. Do you need some kleenex?

Amato isn’t happening. Do you need some kleenex?[/quote]

Did I miss something? Is this a definite or an improbable?

Edit: Nevermind, just found it where they said he wasn’t in the mix anymore. Well, I’m disappointed, but let’s see who else we’ve got as a possibility. (For the record I would prefer someone more established than Lambert, but, of course, I’ll support him if he is hired.)

If its Lambert, I’ll be behind him but I hope its not. I don’t want a coach because they won over Judy and Phil in an interview. I either want a name that can promote the program and recruit and attract other good qualified coaches to do the coaching (Minter would probably be in this category) or someone who has demonstrated they can coach (not a coordinator of a bad unit on a bad team). Could he be great, possibly but I don’t look at our Athletics Department and think, wow they do so great that I just trust Judy’s crystal ball.

No doubt that if we hire him that is what the AD will say. IMO if Lambert really is the best available then the job was not near as attractive as we were lead to believe and what we all thought it would be.[/quote]

I agree. If this is who we get - then it is what it is. This guy might be a great success. Honestly though, if the best we can get for our new HC is the DC from the least profitable ACC football program, then our position was not desirable at all.

Additionally, disclosure wise, most know I wanted Chucky before he was even in the mix. That said, I always thought our post here was the perfect position for someone like him, who had already had a good run, but wanted a chance to finalize the legacy by building a program from scratch.

Anyone can come in and run a fully functional BCS program, but building one from scratch is special. If we get the DC from WF, we obviously aren’t special at all.

How special is a start up FCS program that won’t hit the field for 2 years really? I’m biased of course, I think this is a great opportunity for someone to come into. Brand new on campus facility, growing university, large city etc.

But within coaching circles what bigger name coaches are going to want to go to a start up? If you’re a high profile name aren’t you hoping for a BCS job, or at minimum an established FCS program? Obviously I don’t know not being a coach but I can understand why our position might not be as attractive as I believe it to be.

One reason I supported Chuck was because at his age he wouldnt jump ship in a couple of years. This would have been his final stop.
A young coordinator hired as our HC may stay a year or so then jump to a higher paying HC position somewhere. This could really be a setback to a start up program. If we go with a young guy I hope we include a large buyout clause in the contract!

Who says Amato is out of the mix? And as for the guy who says Amato is an ACC reject…thats just crazy. Led State to their best season ever(11-2) and recruited their best player ever (Rivers). Man if thats a reject then I’d hate to see what you guys think about this Lambert guy if hired.