Yeah, itās impossible to compare apples to apples. For every coach who struggled early you can probably find one who was fairly successful. Look at Tony Bennett, John Thompson III, Steve Lavin, Mark Gottfried.
The point was that people calling for Majorās job would have done the same with HOF coaches/the greatest in the game. I wasnāt comparing anything other than showing how ridiculous it is to do that at this point in his coaching careerā¦almost as ridiculous as how literal some of you took the original post. Itās absolutely impossible to get a point across here.
It is sometimes hard. I donāt think he should be fired by any means. I tired of people on both sides. So far Major has not overly impressed me, but that isnāt saying he needs to be sent packing. Anyone who is advocating him getting fired is clearly not thinking things through and anyone who thinks Major has done an A+ job so far isnāt watching the same team I am.
The only point I want to make is that the comparison to HOF coaches without some perspective is a little ridiculous. Itās easy to throw out the one or two coaches who struggled at first and became great coaches and say how we are being crazy becase āLook at ____ coach who didnāt win their first __ seasons!ā
The truth is, for every one of those coaches, there are probably 4-5x as many coaches who donāt succeed overall, just like they didnāt in their first couple of years.
Iām certainly not on the fire Major train, but I get so tired of hearing the analogy to a handful of coaches. If you looked at the overall body of statistics, Iād say they are in a very small minority of coaches who start off as losers, probably the top 5% (which is 20x instead of 4-5x as mentioned above)
So to say ālook at X coach who started off terrible and was a HOFerā is like saying, SOMEONE has to win the lottery, look at Bill from Arizona, he won it! How stupid for you to think that buying a lottery ticket is a bad idea, you have to buy one to win!
Maybe thatās a bit of an exaggeration, but so is the whole comparing Major to great coaches.
Anyway, off topic, but Iām tired of hearing it.
[quote=āNinerWupAss, post:20, topic:26250ā][quote=ā49erCC, post:19, topic:26250ā][quote=āninerball49, post:1, topic:26250ā]Army:
75-76: 11-14
76-77: 20-8
77-78: 19-9
78-79: 14-11
79-80: 9-17
Duke:
80-81: 17-13
81-82: 10-17
82-83: 11-17
So if it were up to a good portion of our fanbase Iām sure this guy would have been out the door at both of these stops. I didnāt notice any asterisks that mentioned playing any of these seasons with 7 players on scholarship, but then again I wasnāt really looking for that.
If Iām being honest, I was going to go through and quote a lot of people who would have made it obvious they would have supported firing arguably the best coach ever in college athletics in his first few seasons, but Iām not going to make people sit here and re-read statements of people that act like 3 year old girls who just learned what sarcasm isā¦not naming anyone specificallyā¦
I understand frustration at losing gamesā¦but we certainly do a great job of making ourselves look like we havenāt followed a sports team for more than 3 consecutive minutes.
In case Coach K isnāt a decent enough example,
Jim Calhoun first two seasons: 9-19, 18-14
Bill Self: 6-21, 10-17
Bill Belichick: 6-10, 7-9
Nick Saban: 6-6, 6-5-1[/quote]
GREAT POST!!![/quote]
No it isnāt a great post. The number of coaches that start off crappy and become Hall of Fame or great coaches is small. There are plenty of coaches that start crappy and end crappy. I understand what the point is, that it is too early to bail. I agree with that, but it ignores the fact that there are penty of coaches that never get it together. The chance that Major is a Hall of Fame coach in the making? .05% The chance that he is just a sucky coach? 50/50
In reality what K did or what Self or Marshall have done has absolutley nothing to do with what is happening here. I doubt we wait for 5 years for Major to get it turned around. IMO He has next year and if he wants a 4th year things better be way better than they are today.[/quote]
I thought it a great post because I believe it to be true. A large portion of our fan base seem ready to show Coach Major the door. Coach Kās career was used to point out that it is too early to tell how this will turn out.
I understand that - and I agree that it is too early to tell. I am just pointing out that the chances he turns out to just be a crappy coach are way higher than the chance that he is the next coach K. I mean I could have dug up 5 coaches that had crappy records their first two years and then crappy records the next 3 years as a reason we should go ahead and can him now.
We shouldnāt bail on him yet because it is just too early to tell not because of what has happened anywhere else to anyone else. I still say it is 50/50 he is the answer. Next year should tell us plenty if we are headed in the right direction.
Also keep in mind when looking at other coaches records is that sometimes it isnāt the number of losses as much as it is how are you losing?
I understand that - and I agree that it is too early to tell. I am just pointing out that the chances he turns out to just be a crappy coach are way higher than the chance that he is the next coach K. I mean I could have dug up 5 coaches that had crappy records their first two years and then crappy records the next 3 years as a reason we should go ahead and can him now.
We shouldnāt bail on him yet because it is just too early to tell not because of what has happened anywhere else to anyone else. I still say it is 50/50 he is the answer. Next year should tell us plenty if we are headed in the right direction.
Also keep in mind when looking at other coaches records is that sometimes it isnāt the number of losses as much as it is how are you losing?[/quote]
Also itās sometimes if you land a Johnny Dawkins and Mark Alarie in the same class. Maybe Clayton and Lester will be Alarie and Dawkins for Charlotte.
I understand that - and I agree that it is too early to tell. I am just pointing out that the chances he turns out to just be a crappy coach are way higher than the chance that he is the next coach K. I mean I could have dug up 5 coaches that had crappy records their first two years and then crappy records the next 3 years as a reason we should go ahead and can him now.
We shouldnāt bail on him yet because it is just too early to tell not because of what has happened anywhere else to anyone else. I still say it is 50/50 he is the answer. Next year should tell us plenty if we are headed in the right direction.
Also keep in mind when looking at other coaches records is that sometimes it isnāt the number of losses as much as it is how are you losing?[/quote]
I agree, I think how the team responds to last night will tell us a lot