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Army:

75-76: 11-14
76-77: 20-8
77-78: 19-9
78-79: 14-11
79-80: 9-17

Duke:

80-81: 17-13
81-82: 10-17
82-83: 11-17

So if it were up to a good portion of our fanbase Iā€™m sure this guy would have been out the door at both of these stops. I didnā€™t notice any asterisks that mentioned playing any of these seasons with 7 players on scholarship, but then again I wasnā€™t really looking for that.

If Iā€™m being honest, I was going to go through and quote a lot of people who would have made it obvious they would have supported firing arguably the best coach ever in college athletics in his first few seasons, but Iā€™m not going to make people sit here and re-read statements of people that act like 3 year old girls who just learned what sarcasm isā€¦not naming anyone specificallyā€¦

I understand frustration at losing gamesā€¦but we certainly do a great job of making ourselves look like we havenā€™t followed a sports team for more than 3 consecutive minutes.

In case Coach K isnā€™t a decent enough example,

Jim Calhoun first two seasons: 9-19, 18-14
Bill Self: 6-21, 10-17

Bill Belichick: 6-10, 7-9
Nick Saban: 6-6, 6-5-1

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[quote=ā€œninerball49, post:1, topic:26250ā€]Army:

75-76: 11-14
76-77: 20-8
77-78: 19-9
78-79: 14-11
79-80: 9-17

Duke:

80-81: 17-13
81-82: 10-17
82-83: 11-17

So if it were up to a good portion of our fanbase Iā€™m sure this guy would have been out the door at both of these stops. I didnā€™t notice any asterisks that mentioned playing any of these seasons with 7 players on scholarship, but then again I wasnā€™t really looking for that.

If Iā€™m being honest, I was going to go through and quote a lot of people who would have made it obvious they would have supported firing arguably the best coach ever in college athletics in his first few seasons, but Iā€™m not going to make people sit here and re-read statements of people that act like 3 year old girls who just learned what sarcasm isā€¦not naming anyone specificallyā€¦

I understand frustration at losing gamesā€¦but we certainly do a great job of making ourselves look like we havenā€™t followed a sports team for more than 3 consecutive minutes.

In case Coach K isnā€™t a decent enough example,

Jim Calhoun first two seasons: 9-19, 18-14
Bill Self: 6-21, 10-17

Bill Belichick: 6-10, 7-9
Nick Saban: 6-6, 6-5-1

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Coach K had a winning record in 2 out of his first 3 seasons as a head coach.

If Major posts a 20 win season this year and 19 the next then you have a point.

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No, youā€™re neglecting the fact that heā€™s arguably the greatest college coach of all time. So the fact that youā€™re stating Major has to match him for me to have the point that he shouldnā€™t be fired, is, in a word, completely effing idiotic.

Army has also (still) NEVER been to an NCAA tournament.

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Youā€™re asking an impatient fanbase in an impatient sports world to be patient, donā€™t bother.

If Major works out, awesome. If he doesnā€™t, then weā€™ll just have to try again. Either way, itā€™s too soon to tell.

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I agree with you, but fans donā€™t like to take the long view, everything is about what happens right now (just look at the emotional swings in the postgame threads between wins and losses, though some of that is due to which posters decide to post a lot). Some fans seem to expect one long upward trend in improvement, with few hiccups/bad games/slumps in a season.

Major is going to get at least another 2 years here, and maybe more depending on how things progress. It does seem that a lot of fans (aside from those who have a clear agenda to push) are primarily negative because of how long itā€™s been since the program has had success (i.e. NCAA tournament appearances), most of which isnā€™t really Majorā€™s fault. But in a couple years, the picture will be much clearer for taking the long view.

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Times are different now than when Coach K was a young coach. No effing body anywhere has any patience with anything but immediate winning and thatā€™s just a sad fact.

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Richmond was patient, and it paid off. Of course, they eventually lost their coach to Georgia Tech, but Iā€™m sure they wouldnā€™t trade that Sweet 16 to have him back.

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[quote=ā€œJ Felt, post:7, topic:26250ā€]Richmond was patient, and it paid off. Of course, they eventually lost their coach to Georgia Tech, but Iā€™m sure they wouldnā€™t trade that Sweet 16 to have him back.[/quote]J Felt, Mooney is still at Richmond! FWIW, I donā€™t think there are too many Dayton fans who are sad Gregory took the GT job.

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No way heā€™s still at Richmond! It would take a 10 year extension to get him to stay!

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Feltis is on a troll-roll!

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Those funny people in chapel hill once hung Dean Smith in effigy and wanted to fire him. Iā€™m pretty sure someone started a ā€œFire Deanā€ thread on their message board back in the early 60s.

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[quote=ā€œninerball49, post:3, topic:26250ā€]No, youā€™re neglecting the fact that heā€™s arguably the greatest college coach of all time. So the fact that youā€™re stating Major has to match him for me to have the point that he shouldnā€™t be fired, is, in a word, completely effing idiotic.

Army has also (still) NEVER been to an NCAA tournament.[/quote]

Lol. I think you sort of just made Sokoolā€™s point. Itā€™s harder to get 20 wins at Army. So getting 20 wins at Army might be like a 24 win season at Charlotte.

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Iā€™m not sure you can easily compare the difficulty of winning here now to the difficulty of winning at Army 40 years ago. Again notwithstanding the 7 scholarship players we had last year and the fact that all of the examples I posted are hall of famers/coaches with championships. The comparison is based on the fact that people shouldnā€™t be raging about Major this early in his head coaching career. It simply doesnā€™t make sense.

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we have a bad fanbase. Period.

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[quote=ā€œ9erken, post:5, topic:26250ā€]I agree with you, but fans donā€™t like to take the long view, everything is about what happens right now (just look at the emotional swings in the postgame threads between wins and losses, though some of that is due to which posters decide to post a lot). Some fans seem to expect one long upward trend in improvement, with few hiccups/bad games/slumps in a season.

Major is going to get at least another 2 years here, and maybe more depending on how things progress. It does seem that a lot of fans (aside from those who have a clear agenda to push) are primarily negative because of how long itā€™s been since the program has had success (i.e. NCAA tournament appearances), most of which isnā€™t really Majorā€™s fault. But in a couple years, the picture will be much clearer for taking the long view.[/quote]

No, I donā€™t think so. One more year, and if we still look this bad heā€™ll be out. He signed a 4-year deal (IIRC) which usually means you either get an extension or get axed between the end of year 3 (next season) and the start of year 4. Judy will certainly not extend his deal if we are at or below .500 this year and next.

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[quote=ā€œ919R, post:15, topic:26250ā€][quote=ā€œ9erken, post:5, topic:26250ā€]I agree with you, but fans donā€™t like to take the long view, everything is about what happens right now (just look at the emotional swings in the postgame threads between wins and losses, though some of that is due to which posters decide to post a lot). Some fans seem to expect one long upward trend in improvement, with few hiccups/bad games/slumps in a season.

Major is going to get at least another 2 years here, and maybe more depending on how things progress. It does seem that a lot of fans (aside from those who have a clear agenda to push) are primarily negative because of how long itā€™s been since the program has had success (i.e. NCAA tournament appearances), most of which isnā€™t really Majorā€™s fault. But in a couple years, the picture will be much clearer for taking the long view.[/quote]

No, I donā€™t think so. One more year, and if we still look this bad heā€™ll be out. He signed a 4-year deal (IIRC) which usually means you either get an extension or get axed between the end of year 3 (next season) and the start of year 4. Judy will certainly not extend his deal if we are at or below .500 this year and next.[/quote]

Totally agree. If weā€™re 500 or less next year, heā€™s gone.

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[quote=ā€œ919R, post:15, topic:26250ā€]No, I donā€™t think so. One more year, and if we still look this bad heā€™ll be out. He signed a 4-year deal (IIRC) which usually means you either get an extension or get axed between the end of year 3 (next season) and the start of year 4. Judy will certainly not extend his deal if we are at or below .500 this year and next.[/quote]Iā€™ll be very surprised if the AD takes on that kind of financial burden, even if next year is worse, in order to fire their choice for replacing Lutz after only 3 years. Unless the AD has some turnover, Major gets to bring along this group of freshmen until at least junior year (with some kind of extension signed with strings attached to give him the ability to recruit). Hopefully this is all hypothetical.

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I feel Charlotte has a pretty good fan base considering our situation. Take a look at the excitement that built up from the students, alumni, and community when the soccer team played in the national championship game. Not many people are going to be avid fans of a loser.

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[quote=ā€œninerball49, post:1, topic:26250ā€]Army:

75-76: 11-14
76-77: 20-8
77-78: 19-9
78-79: 14-11
79-80: 9-17

Duke:

80-81: 17-13
81-82: 10-17
82-83: 11-17

So if it were up to a good portion of our fanbase Iā€™m sure this guy would have been out the door at both of these stops. I didnā€™t notice any asterisks that mentioned playing any of these seasons with 7 players on scholarship, but then again I wasnā€™t really looking for that.

If Iā€™m being honest, I was going to go through and quote a lot of people who would have made it obvious they would have supported firing arguably the best coach ever in college athletics in his first few seasons, but Iā€™m not going to make people sit here and re-read statements of people that act like 3 year old girls who just learned what sarcasm isā€¦not naming anyone specificallyā€¦

I understand frustration at losing gamesā€¦but we certainly do a great job of making ourselves look like we havenā€™t followed a sports team for more than 3 consecutive minutes.

In case Coach K isnā€™t a decent enough example,

Jim Calhoun first two seasons: 9-19, 18-14
Bill Self: 6-21, 10-17

Bill Belichick: 6-10, 7-9
Nick Saban: 6-6, 6-5-1

[/quote]
GREAT POST!!!

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[quote=ā€œ49erCC, post:19, topic:26250ā€][quote=ā€œninerball49, post:1, topic:26250ā€]Army:

75-76: 11-14
76-77: 20-8
77-78: 19-9
78-79: 14-11
79-80: 9-17

Duke:

80-81: 17-13
81-82: 10-17
82-83: 11-17

So if it were up to a good portion of our fanbase Iā€™m sure this guy would have been out the door at both of these stops. I didnā€™t notice any asterisks that mentioned playing any of these seasons with 7 players on scholarship, but then again I wasnā€™t really looking for that.

If Iā€™m being honest, I was going to go through and quote a lot of people who would have made it obvious they would have supported firing arguably the best coach ever in college athletics in his first few seasons, but Iā€™m not going to make people sit here and re-read statements of people that act like 3 year old girls who just learned what sarcasm isā€¦not naming anyone specificallyā€¦

I understand frustration at losing gamesā€¦but we certainly do a great job of making ourselves look like we havenā€™t followed a sports team for more than 3 consecutive minutes.

In case Coach K isnā€™t a decent enough example,

Jim Calhoun first two seasons: 9-19, 18-14
Bill Self: 6-21, 10-17

Bill Belichick: 6-10, 7-9
Nick Saban: 6-6, 6-5-1[/quote]
GREAT POST!!![/quote]

No it isnā€™t a great post. The number of coaches that start off crappy and become Hall of Fame or great coaches is small. There are plenty of coaches that start crappy and end crappy. I understand what the point is, that it is too early to bail. I agree with that, but it ignores the fact that there are penty of coaches that never get it together. The chance that Major is a Hall of Fame coach in the making? .05% The chance that he is just a sucky coach? 50/50

In reality what K did or what Self or Marshall have done has absolutley nothing to do with what is happening here. I doubt we wait for 5 years for Major to get it turned around. IMO He has next year and if he wants a 4th year things better be way better than they are today.