[quote=â49r9r, post:378, topic:30091â]Any new updates on at least a plan for expansion? Werenât some of you receiving expansion related emails from our AD?
::)[/quote]
Didnât our attendance DROP again this year?
Why exactly would we expand to accommodate LESS fans?
Not sure I learned that lesson in my Business 101 class.
Yes, if we have to borrow the money. On the other hand, if some big donor (I know we hate them around here) writes a check interest rates will not matter. The âChiDave Upper Deckâ has a nice ring to it.[/quote]
I donât think any of us hate big donors. We love them. We just hate donors that give money with out any care of the success of the programs and donât hold the AD accountable for success.
In addition, our major donors are pretty much tapped out. We have to hope that some new money walks in - like The Big Cat just showing up or the Edwardâs needing to show FU money to their friends. Neither of those donors came into the fold through anything the AD did.
[quote=âTRLeader, post:381, topic:30091â][quote=â49r9r, post:378, topic:30091â]Any new updates on at least a plan for expansion? Werenât some of you receiving expansion related emails from our AD?
::)[/quote]
Didnât our attendance DROP again this year?
Why exactly would we expand to accommodate LESS fans?
Not sure I learned that lesson in my Business 101 class.[/quote]
I think it is 3 fold
[ul][li]To help recruiting (and winning) - we need a bigger stadium[/li]
[li]To increase a shot at another conference we need a bigger stadium[/li]
[li]To maintain the games we have scheduled (Chapel Hill, MD, App) we have to increase stadium size[/li]
[li]To sign additional games like those, and increase revenue and attendance, we need a bigger stadum[/li][/ul]
Regardless of current attendance, the future of the program needs a bigger stadium. I donât think we need a massive expansion, but we do have to add capacity. I think 25-30K is perfect.
[quote=âNinerWupAss, post:383, topic:30091â][quote=âTRLeader, post:381, topic:30091â][quote=â49r9r, post:378, topic:30091â]Any new updates on at least a plan for expansion? Werenât some of you receiving expansion related emails from our AD?
::)[/quote]
Didnât our attendance DROP again this year?
Why exactly would we expand to accommodate LESS fans?
Not sure I learned that lesson in my Business 101 class.[/quote]
I think it is 3 fold
[ul][li]To help recruiting (and winning) - we need a bigger stadium[/li]
[li]To increase a shot at another conference we need a bigger stadium[/li]
[li]To maintain the games we have scheduled (Chapel Hill, MD, App) we have to increase stadium size[/li]
[li]To sign additional games like those, and increase revenue and attendance, we need a bigger stadum[/li][/ul]
Regardless of current attendance, the future of the program needs a bigger stadium. I donât think we need a massive expansion, but we do have to add capacity. I think 25-30K is perfect.[/quote]
Great points. However youâll not convince whomever pays for this. They, taxpayers, students, etc. will INSIST on attendance increasing to a point of âneedâ for expansion. Hate it, but expect it and maybe a need to âpoliticâ to get expansion without increased attendance.
[quote=â49er1, post:384, topic:30091â][quote=âNinerWupAss, post:383, topic:30091â][quote=âTRLeader, post:381, topic:30091â][quote=â49r9r, post:378, topic:30091â]Any new updates on at least a plan for expansion? Werenât some of you receiving expansion related emails from our AD?
::)[/quote]
Didnât our attendance DROP again this year?
Why exactly would we expand to accommodate LESS fans?
Not sure I learned that lesson in my Business 101 class.[/quote]
I think it is 3 fold
[ul][li]To help recruiting (and winning) - we need a bigger stadium[/li]
[li]To increase a shot at another conference we need a bigger stadium[/li]
[li]To maintain the games we have scheduled (Chapel Hill, MD, App) we have to increase stadium size[/li]
[li]To sign additional games like those, and increase revenue and attendance, we need a bigger stadum[/li][/ul]
Regardless of current attendance, the future of the program needs a bigger stadium. I donât think we need a massive expansion, but we do have to add capacity. I think 25-30K is perfect.[/quote]
Great points. However youâll not convince whomever pays for this. They, taxpayers, students, etc. will INSIST on attendance increasing to a point of âneedâ for expansion. Hate it, but expect it and maybe a need to âpoliticâ to get expansion without increased attendance.[/quote]
Well the need is already there - we canât host the incoming OOC teams without expansion. I get what you are saying, but if we are waiting to fill our stadium every game before we expand then nothing is changing until our piss poor leadership is gone.
[quote=â49er1, post:384, topic:30091â][quote=âNinerWupAss, post:383, topic:30091â][quote=âTRLeader, post:381, topic:30091â][quote=â49r9r, post:378, topic:30091â]Any new updates on at least a plan for expansion? Werenât some of you receiving expansion related emails from our AD?
::)[/quote]
Didnât our attendance DROP again this year?
Why exactly would we expand to accommodate LESS fans?
Not sure I learned that lesson in my Business 101 class.[/quote]
I think it is 3 fold
[ul][li]To help recruiting (and winning) - we need a bigger stadium[/li]
[li]To increase a shot at another conference we need a bigger stadium[/li]
[li]To maintain the games we have scheduled (Chapel Hill, MD, App) we have to increase stadium size[/li]
[li]To sign additional games like those, and increase revenue and attendance, we need a bigger stadum[/li][/ul]
Regardless of current attendance, the future of the program needs a bigger stadium. I donât think we need a massive expansion, but we do have to add capacity. I think 25-30K is perfect.[/quote]
Great points. However youâll not convince whomever pays for this. They, taxpayers, students, etc. will INSIST on attendance increasing to a point of âneedâ for expansion. Hate it, but expect it and maybe a need to âpoliticâ to get expansion without increased attendance.[/quote]
Maybe we should INSIST that the people (mainly Judy) in charge of marketing and selling tickets do a better job and sell out the smallest FBS stadium in the country. I know it is a hard job to try to sell something when the leadership has no vision of where we want to be.
[quote=âNinerWupAss, post:385, topic:30091â][quote=â49er1, post:384, topic:30091â][quote=âNinerWupAss, post:383, topic:30091â][quote=âTRLeader, post:381, topic:30091â][quote=â49r9r, post:378, topic:30091â]Any new updates on at least a plan for expansion? Werenât some of you receiving expansion related emails from our AD?
::)[/quote]
Didnât our attendance DROP again this year?
Why exactly would we expand to accommodate LESS fans?
Not sure I learned that lesson in my Business 101 class.[/quote]
I think it is 3 fold
[ul][li]To help recruiting (and winning) - we need a bigger stadium[/li]
[li]To increase a shot at another conference we need a bigger stadium[/li]
[li]To maintain the games we have scheduled (Chapel Hill, MD, App) we have to increase stadium size[/li]
[li]To sign additional games like those, and increase revenue and attendance, we need a bigger stadum[/li][/ul]
Regardless of current attendance, the future of the program needs a bigger stadium. I donât think we need a massive expansion, but we do have to add capacity. I think 25-30K is perfect.[/quote]
Great points. However youâll not convince whomever pays for this. They, taxpayers, students, etc. will INSIST on attendance increasing to a point of âneedâ for expansion. Hate it, but expect it and maybe a need to âpoliticâ to get expansion without increased attendance.[/quote]
Well the need is already there - we canât host the incoming OOC teams without expansion. I get what you are saying, but if we are waiting to fill our stadium every game before we expand then nothing is changing until our piss poor leadership is gone.[/quote]
And if you start winning those big games in front of 25K, there is a solid chance those 25K will be back the next week. These games are the key to getting the non-diehards to hop on the bandwagon.
[quote=âNinerWupAss, post:383, topic:30091â][quote=âTRLeader, post:381, topic:30091â][quote=â49r9r, post:378, topic:30091â]Any new updates on at least a plan for expansion? Werenât some of you receiving expansion related emails from our AD?
::)[/quote]
Didnât our attendance DROP again this year?
Why exactly would we expand to accommodate LESS fans?
Not sure I learned that lesson in my Business 101 class.[/quote]
I think it is 3 fold
[ul][li]To help recruiting (and winning) - we need a bigger stadium[/li]
[li]To increase a shot at another conference we need a bigger stadium[/li]
[li]To maintain the games we have scheduled (Chapel Hill, MD, App) we have to increase stadium size[/li]
[li]To sign additional games like those, and increase revenue and attendance, we need a bigger stadum[/li][/ul]
Regardless of current attendance, the future of the program needs a bigger stadium. I donât think we need a massive expansion, but we do have to add capacity. I think 25-30K is perfect.[/quote]
Great points⌠I would hope we would hear something on a possible expansion in the next 6-12 months including an aggressive timetable. I think the key is to determine what it would look like and then to see if a donor could be found to âjumpstartâ the process. It would be much easier to sell if itâs not just the need to but how and what.
Iâd love to see 5,000 additional seats added that would allow more fans to big games⌠not sure if possible but it would be great to have in place by the time App visits.
I see where your coming from 49er1, about the âneedâ for expansion. But I truly think the bullet points mentioned by NWA are our lifeline to success. Despite attendance numbers, this is something the AD needs to be proactive on and not play the waiting game. My fear is if they play the waiting game for too long, any big name teams will not schedule here or back out. On the flip side which gives me hope, is that there is no way we scheduled the teams mentioned above, without some caveat that we would be expanded by the time those teams come here. Just no way. So at the very minimum, ideally would like to be expanded by 2018 it looks like when App comes here. But agree with they need to announce some kind of plan/goal to start fundraising and building excitement up. The AD will be amazed to see how much more money and FSLs will be raised/sold if they make some sort of announcement.
Good luck. Weâre going to need it. Oh and as someone else said above, winning would help too.
[quote=âcharlottewkndbuzz, post:389, topic:30091â]I see where your coming from 49er1, about the âneedâ for expansion. But I truly think the bullet points mentioned by NWA are our lifeline to success. Despite attendance numbers, this is something the AD needs to be proactive on and not play the waiting game. My fear is if they play the waiting game for too long, any big name teams will not schedule here or back out. On the flip side which gives me hope, is that there is no way we scheduled the teams mentioned above, without some caveat that we would be expanded by the time those teams come here. Just no way. So at the very minimum, ideally would like to be expanded by 2018 it looks like when App comes here. But agree with they need to announce some kind of plan/goal to start fundraising and building excitement up. The AD will be amazed to see how much more money and FSLs will be raised/sold if they make some sort of announcement. [/quote]Money raised perhaps, but I seriously doubt FSLs will be sold again. Why would anyone buy one? Weâve shown at this point that tickets can be had on demand without an FSL.
Somebody wanna FOIA the contracts and see if thereâs an expansion provision? 
clt thinks we should add a dome for the students.
Somebody wanna FOIA the contracts and see if thereâs an expansion provision? :D[/quote]We have done a basic FOIA for anything discussing expansion.
Have to pay for a more thorough search I believe.
Donât forget the moving walkways to carry them to and from the games.
We can sell more FSLs in premium seating areas once we have expanded. We can sell reg season tickets for less attractive parts of the stadium but if you want into the sweet spots every game then an FSL is needed.
Such an approach doesnât work right now, but I can see in the future FSLs having a place in the greater scope of ticketing strategy.
the FSL thing was a failure. Itâs time for that to go.
Expansion area should be non FSL.
[quote=âExpectations Manager, post:397, topic:30091â]the FSL thing was a failure. Itâs time for that to go.
Expansion area should be non FSL.[/quote]
Agree, expansion area should be non-FSL. At many schools though to get into premium seating you have to make a donation of X amount or have a certain ranking level to get into premium areas. I think in the future, for certain parts of the stadium, we can use FSLs in that manner, or we can just call it a donation requirement. FSLs though seem to be an easier sell than just give us money.
We can sell more FSLs in premium seating areas once we have expanded. We can sell reg season tickets for less attractive parts of the stadium but if you want into the sweet spots every game then an FSL is needed.
Such an approach doesnât work right now, but I can see in the future FSLs having a place in the greater scope of ticketing strategy. [/quote]
Exactly. This was my thinking, as well. FSL seating will hopefully become more of a prime real estate once we expand. The benefit will also be more distinguishable too (lower bowl vs Upper level, being in the shade vs blinded by the sun, etc). Hopefully we can also put the visitor section in the upper level corner or something too, so that there arenât any empty sections in the lower bowl. I can understand the hesitation for people contemplating buying FSLs in our current stadium setup vs buying season tix, but once expanded, the attributes of having an upper level will provide both a physical and tangible reason to purchase FSLs.
*Expansion doesnât have to be all FSLs. Like NWA said, expansion will open the doors for more premium seating, which if the AD desires can make FSLs. Whether itâs more FSLs in the lower bowl or if they make certain sections of the upper deck on the alumni side FSLs. I know I would purchase FSLs on the front row of the upper deck on the alumni side yesterday.
[quote=âExpectations Manager, post:397, topic:30091â]the FSL thing was a failure. Itâs time for that to go.
Expansion area should be non FSL.[/quote]
FSLs were not a failure. They played a major role in getting The Rich built. However, they are now ineffective and undesired, and yes unwanted and needed because the demand no longer exists. If our team were playing lights out, bowl-bound ball, they would still be a viable way to raise revenue. But whatâs real is real.