[quote=āNiner National, post:259, topic:28863ā][quote=āStar Wars Maniac, post:258, topic:28863ā]I hope we expand to 40k before App State comes to town in 2018 im so going to that game then the game in Boone the next year. My dad attended UNCC when we went to the final four in 1977 and i just graduated from UNCC last December and my brother graduated from App State in 2013. We should play App State every year that would be awesome.[/quote]Honestly, I doubt weāll see us expand to 40,000. With the trend in college football being declining attendance, it likely would not be wise to jump from 15k to 40k. I anticipate seeing something in the 25,000 range announced.
I base that on nothing though, although I do believe it was stated at one point, there were also plans for a 25,000ish seat expansion that were not released. I suspect it is simply adding the middle level you see in the 40,000 seat rendering without adding the upper levels or the new press box.[/quote]
25,000 makes the most sense. We need to make available about 2500 seats to our conference foes which we can probably already do, or get close. Adding 10,000 more seats gives us room to grow our fans and give opponents that attend games (Marshall, App, etc) a reasonable shot at getting general adminssion seats. Anything over 2500 seats for visitors should be their problem. General admission, or buy tickets on the secondary market. If you are an Appy and not sufficiently high on the Yosef Club list to buy into the 2500 tickets then you are not donating crap. Shut up and write your school a check for $50. I think that is the Golden Hillbilly level.
I love to take shots at App but I donāt think I would be throwing bricks at them based on our glass house of football support thus far. Given the fans that we have had to buy FSLs and theirs have not but I think when it comes to support for their football program they are out pacing us.
I love to take shots at App but I donāt think I would be throwing bricks at them based on our glass house of football support thus far. Given the fans that we have had to buy FSLs and theirs have not but I think when it comes to support for their football program they are out pacing us.[/quote]
First, this is not a zero-sum game. We can both have great support, or no support, because there is no correlation to the other school. App has a fine football program, but put into context it is hardly going to wow me. They have been playing 90 years, and we have been playing for two and started with a stadium the size they had in 1995. Even today, they have only 6000 more permanant seats than we do. Add in their 2400 temp seats and they are at 24,050, so right where we will probably end up in less than 5 years. The best number I could find is that they have about 2300 current donors to the Yosef Club, which is about the same sad level we have. Considering the size of their football crowds, that is poorer support. We are not where we need to be, but the differences between our two programs today are much smaller than any Appy would ever want to believe.
My real point is that many App fans said that they should not come play us in The Rich until they could be guaranteed 10,000 seats, or some equally ridiculous number. Sure, I think they could fill those seats, but nobody builds a stadium intending to have that many visitors seats. If they want seats to an away game where the stadium is likely to be SRO, then they must either pay on StubHub, or to the Yosef Club. Either way, whining to us is not the solution.
I love to take shots at App but I donāt think I would be throwing bricks at them based on our glass house of football support thus far. Given the fans that we have had to buy FSLs and theirs have not but I think when it comes to support for their football program they are out pacing us.[/quote]
First, this is not a zero-sum game. We can both have great support, or no support, because there is no correlation to the other school. App has a fine football program, but put into context it is hardly going to wow me. They have been playing 90 years, and we have been playing for two and started with a stadium the size they had in 1995. Even today, they have only 6000 more permanant seats than we do. Add in their 2400 temp seats and they are at 24,050, so right where we will probably end up in less than 5 years. The best number I could find is that they have about 2300 current donors to the Yosef Club, which is about the same sad level we have. Considering the size of their football crowds, that is poorer support. We are not where we need to be, but the differences between our two programs today are much smaller than any Appy would ever want to believe.
My real point is that many App fans said that they should not come play us in The Rich until they could be guaranteed 10,000 seats, or some equally ridiculous number. Sure, I think they could fill those seats, but nobody builds a stadium intending to have that many visitors seats. If they want seats to an away game where the stadium is likely to be SRO, then they must either pay on StubHub, or to the Yosef Club. Either way, whining to us is not the solution.[/quote]
I agree 100% on not building a stadium to fit them and I donāt really give a rats ass if they canāt get into the stadium. There are alot of shots I will take at App but their support of football isnāt one of them. Yes they have been winning which makes it easier and yes since they already had a stadium its a cheaper investment than what many of us had to make, but overall they have been selling out a larger stadium in the middle of BFE for shitty ass FCS teams. I give their base credit for that.
There was a time when the Southern Conference was the SEC of 1-AA. It was as attractive football as you could get at the level, with teams like Georgia Southern, Marshall, Furman, and The Citadel having good teams and passionate fan-bases. The Southern Conference and FCS in general has been gutted with the re-alignment, and that is a big part of the reason why they made the step up to FBS.
They do have very good support, no doubt about it. That was some good football though in the glory days of the SoCon.
Expand? So far this week people have complained about start times and heat but now we want to expand? Letās try to sellout our current facility and maybe add temp seats when needed but for now, I would be very concerned about attendance if we add seats!
UNCC point aside(charlotte please but thatās another point). i donāt mind playing app sometimes but i get worried when i hear fans(not necessarily you) stating that they would like app to be a rival. Some of you really need to find out what people think of app nationally. most people donāt know where they are, how to pronounce their name, or even that they are division one.[/quote]
A lot of people nationally would say the same about us.
Unless we can build a rivalry with certain ACC schools or ECU, App looks like the best out of conference rival to me. Thatās at least a game I can drive to. Iām not driving to most CUSA schools.
UNCC point aside(charlotte please but thatās another point). i donāt mind playing app sometimes but i get worried when i hear fans(not necessarily you) stating that they would like app to be a rival. Some of you really need to find out what people think of app nationally. most people donāt know where they are, how to pronounce their name, or even that they are division one.[/quote]
A lot of people nationally would say the same about us.
Unless we can build a rivalry with certain ACC schools or ECU, App looks like the best out of conference rival to me. Thatās at least a game I can drive to. Iām not driving to most CUSA schools.[/quote]
ecu would be fine for football and if we end up in the aac at some point, which i think we will, i want to restart our rivalry with app. iād rather not have a rival than have app. as one and no, i think most people around the country know where we are and how to pronounce our name.
App should be our āend of seasonā rivalry game. Would generate interest and with the two schools being as close as they are will generate a lot of passion.
UNCC point aside(charlotte please but thatās another point). i donāt mind playing app sometimes but i get worried when i hear fans(not necessarily you) stating that they would like app to be a rival. Some of you really need to find out what people think of app nationally. most people donāt know where they are, how to pronounce their name, or even that they are division one.[/quote]
A lot of people nationally would say the same about us.
Unless we can build a rivalry with certain ACC schools or ECU, App looks like the best out of conference rival to me. Thatās at least a game I can drive to. Iām not driving to most CUSA schools.[/quote]
Unfortunately both App and ECU have bad television markets. One reason you see us scheduling Ga St. For our fan base I would love to have ECU and/or App on our schedule annually. Not gonna happen. Enjoy the home and away we have scheduled.
[quote=āNiner National, post:276, topic:28863ā][quote=ā49r9r, post:274, topic:28863ā]Iām all in favor of playing App, as long as we donāt lose to them.
I think some of their fans already view us as their new Superbowl, even though we are the startup and they are the established program.[/quote][/quote]
Are you saying you disagree with me?
Perhaps āSuperbowlā was a little strong, but I get the impression a lot of App fans had rather beat us than most of the teams in their conference.
UNCC point aside(charlotte please but thatās another point). i donāt mind playing app sometimes but i get worried when i hear fans(not necessarily you) stating that they would like app to be a rival. Some of you really need to find out what people think of app nationally. most people donāt know where they are, how to pronounce their name, or even that they are division one.[/quote]
A lot of people nationally would say the same about us.
Unless we can build a rivalry with certain ACC schools or ECU, App looks like the best out of conference rival to me. Thatās at least a game I can drive to. Iām not driving to most CUSA schools.[/quote]
Unfortunately both App and ECU have bad television markets. One reason you see us scheduling Ga St. For our fan base I would love to have ECU and/or App on our schedule annually. Not gonna happen. Enjoy the home and away we have scheduled.[/quote]
We are so fortunate to be located in this TV market. If it wasnāt for that weād be playing Big South football now and still be in the A-10 in everything else.
That being said, I hate future scheduling being based on TV markets. Are we really scheduling Georgia State over ECU and App because of TV market? GSU has less of a share of the Atlanta TV market than we do the Charlotte market. No wonder there is declining attendance in college football. Everyone is focused on the TV dollars and not the paying customers.
No one outside of University City and GSUās campus cares about watching Charlotte-GSU on TV.
Now put Charlotte vs ECU or App State and you will see sold out stadiums and much higher TV ratings. There is very little appealing about playing a school that thinks Friday afternoon kick-offs is a good idea.
[quote=āMr. Bojangles, post:278, topic:28863ā]We are so fortunate to be located in this TV market. If it wasnāt for that weād be playing Big South football now and still be in the A-10 in everything else.
That being said, I hate future scheduling being based on TV markets. Are we really scheduling Georgia State over ECU and App because of TV market? GSU has less of a share of the Atlanta TV market than we do the Charlotte market. No wonder there is declining attendance in college football. Everyone is focused on the TV dollars and not the paying customers.
No one outside of University City and GSUās campus cares about watching Charlotte-GSU on TV.
Now put Charlotte vs ECU or App State and you will see sold out stadiums and much higher TV ratings. There is very little appealing about playing a school that thinks Friday afternoon kick-offs is a good idea.[/quote]
Always nice to play a game in your recruiting areas thoughā¦
