[QUOTE=NLP;335447]Great way to win customers over.[/QUOTE]
I think weāre beyond winning over. The paper doesnāt target us, and I think theyāre OK with that.
[QUOTE=NLP;335447]Great way to win customers over.[/QUOTE]
By asking that you not copy and paste? What was wrong with that? By responding to a poster who said he wouldnāt use the products of our advertisers? It would be difficult.
Look, if McClatchy fails, if newspapers in this country in general fail, who will do the hard work of reporting in the public interest on things like United Way this week? TV? Radio? Donāt count on it. And who will cover your team? NNN? Niner Insider? Is that what you really want?
There are reasons FAR beyond sports to hope newspapers make it, and to do what you can to make sure that happens, even if itās just clicking the website. If government, business and ānon-profitsā can do their thing without scrutiny, God help us all.
Mike I took offense more with the snide remark about the number of people viewing the thread than protecting your property. I expect you to do that. I donāt know, maybe Iām more sensitive to veiled insults than the average person.
[QUOTE=C49er;335448]I think weāre beyond winning over. The paper doesnāt target us, and I think theyāre OK with that.[/QUOTE]
Does anyone do a better job of covering you than Utter? If the Observer doesnāt exist (thereās not a lot of danger of that, despite the stock price, at the moment), he wonāt do it anymore because he wonāt be getting paid to do it. The question is, would anyone step in?
[QUOTE=Mike_Persinger;335449]. And who will cover your team? NNN? Niner Insider? Is that what you really want?
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LOLOLOLOLOLOL.
Good one, like anyone really covers our team now!
[QUOTE=NLP;335450]Mike I took offense more with the snide remark about the number of people viewing the thread than protecting your property. I expect you to do that. I donāt know, maybe Iām more sensitive to veiled insults than the average person.[/QUOTE]
Iām sorry you were offended.
[QUOTE=Powerbait;335452]LOLOLOLOLOLOL.
Good one, like anyone really covers our team now![/QUOTE]
Iāll copy that to Utter. Thanks.
[QUOTE=Powerbait;335452]LOLOLOLOLOLOL.
Good one, like anyone really covers our team now![/QUOTE]
We get a blog, while the schools on the other side of the state get articles.
For the record, I think we all appreciate Utter very much. However, we expect more from the paper itself. We shouldnāt have to read more about NC State and UNC-Chapel Hill than we do Charlotte in the CHARLOTTE OBSERVER! I donāt think anyone outside of the Observer finds a problem with comprehending that.
[QUOTE=Mike_Persinger;335454]Iāll copy that to Utter. Thanks.[/QUOTE]
Utters knows better.
I'm sorry you were offended.My point is, which I didn't make earlier, is that it is abundantly obvious your industry needs help and instead of using us to get valuable information (for instance, how much of us would pay to for a net subscription to what Jim Utter does as opposed to say, losing it altogether) we're trading barbs. Is that good business?
[QUOTE=C49er;335455]We get a blog, while the schools on the other side of the state get articles.
For the record, I think we all appreciate Utter very much. However, we expect more from the paper itself. We shouldnāt have to read more about NC State and UNC-Chapel Hill than we do Charlotte in the CHARLOTTE OBSERVER! I donāt think anyone outside of the Observer finds a problem with comprehending that.[/QUOTE]
Itās a business, not a charity. We have to cover what ALL our readers want, not just those with Charlotte as part of their name. If there were no fans of those schools here, we could justify that. Or if even most people here followed the Niners, we could justify it. Thatās not the case. Especially during football season. Thatās why Iāve said all along I hope you get football.
[QUOTE=Mike_Persinger;335454]Iāll copy that to Utter. Thanks.[/QUOTE]
Iām sure he would like to see more of his articles in print as well.
[QUOTE=NLP;335459]My point is, which I didnāt make earlier, is that it is abundantly obvious your industry needs help and instead of using us to get valuable information (for instance, how much of us would pay to for a net subscription to what Jim Utter does as opposed to say, losing it altogether) weāre trading barbs. Is that good business?[/QUOTE]
I guess I could do what other sports editors do and ignore you altogether, instead of listening. They you could curse the Observer and I could live in the bliss of not knowing what you think.
Publish Utterās Blog.
Problem solved. No more damn bickering. Itā not like itās 40 inches Mike.
[QUOTE=Mike_Persinger;335462]I guess I could do what other sports editors do and ignore you altogether, instead of listening. They you could curse the Observer and I could live in the bliss of not knowing what you think.[/QUOTE]
Or you could just come here and antagonize our fanbase.
[QUOTE=C49er;335455]We get a blog, while the schools on the other side of the state get articles.
For the record, I think we all appreciate Utter very much. However, we expect more from the paper itself. We shouldnāt have to read more about NC State and UNC-Chapel Hill than we do Charlotte in the CHARLOTTE OBSERVER! I donāt think anyone outside of the Observer finds a problem with comprehending that.[/QUOTE]
summed it up, very well.
good job
problem is that its an old tired story. They cover what people supposedly want & residents of Charlotte who want local sports coverage are screwed.
It is all a matter of defining ālocalā ā based on what the Observer employees have explained to me, local consists of anything in the states of North or South Carolina.
IMO, the following definition more accurately defines ālocalā
[QUOTE]Of or relating to a city, town, or district rather than a larger area:[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Powerbait;335461]Iām sure he would like to see more of his articles in print as well.[/QUOTE]
There is tons of Panthers, ACC, Bobcats, preps, etc., in those blogs that never see print. We deliver in two ways now, online and in print. As the industry struggles, theyāll tighten in two places where we spend the most money ā people and newsprint. Less and less will appear in print, and more and more on the web. Iād say the kinds of stories that appear in the paper will even change, moving away from serving every need to telling great stories, doing enterprise, etc. Things like polls and box scores and game stories will become the heart of the net, and stories about people will dominate the paper.
We have to figure out how to make money in both mediums.
What the newspaper does is not the problem. People still need the information we provide, both online and in print, and our audience, if you combine the two, is growing. The problem is the revenue model is broken. Weāre like Kodak when it was a film company. Digital cameras made them change, they shed 10,000 employees in one cut, and reinvented themselves. Weāre in that shed 10,000 phase.
[QUOTE=Mike_Persinger;335466]Things like polls and box scores and game stories will become the heart of the net, and stories about people will dominate the paper.
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OH MY GOSH, we agree on something. You are 100% correct. Classic example is the recent changes made by the Sporting News with their daily email product and what they publish in their magazine.
Nothing wrong at all with what you described. Just remember one thing, please.
There are stories worthy of newsprint within the Charlotte 49ers Athletic Department.
ETA: when I say newsprint, I mean in the Sports Page, not the Neighbors section of the paper. Still canāt believe no one in your department couldāve come up with the Corey Shaylor story during the last baseball season. Those kind of things piss me off more than where the basketball schedule is/isnāt published in the paper.
[QUOTE=SilvioDante;335467]OH MY GOSH, we agree on something. You are 100% correct. Classic example is the recent changes made by the Sporting News with their daily email product and what they publish in their magazine.
Nothing wrong at all with what you described. Just remember one thing, please.
There are stories worthy of newsprint within the Charlotte 49ers Athletic Department.[/QUOTE]
I think, through Jimās coverage, weāve demonstrated we understand that. Iād say the line falls somewhere north of a preseason golf poll, though.
[QUOTE=Mike_Persinger;335466]There is tons of Panthers, ACC, Bobcats, preps, etc., in those blogs that never see print. We deliver in two ways now, online and in print. As the industry struggles, theyāll tighten in two places where we spend the most money ā people and newsprint. Less and less will appear in print, and more and more on the web. Iād say the kinds of stories that appear in the paper will even change, moving away from serving every need to telling great stories, doing enterprise, etc. Things like polls and box scores and game stories will become the heart of the net, and stories about people will dominate the paper.
We have to figure out how to make money in both mediums.
What the newspaper does is not the problem. People still need the information we provideSIZE=1[/SIZE], both online and in print, and our audience, if you combine the two, is growing. The problem is the revenue model is broken. Weāre like Kodak when it was a film company. Digital cameras made them change, they shed 10,000 employees in one cut, and reinvented themselves.SIZE=1[/SIZE] Weāre in that shed 10,000 phase.[/QUOTE]
SIZE=1[/SIZE]I read Utterās blog, but aside from that,I havenāt recieved the information you provide in over two years. Iām doing pretty damn good without it.
SIZE=1[/SIZE]Yeah, and once Kodak reinvented themselves, the product sucked.