[QUOTE=jcl49er;159248]He commented on how great the game was and that they basically had one more play than we did. Coach said he was emphatic about boxing out during the last time out but that we still allowed them to get the tip-in. [/QUOTE]
Did he looked like he was very emphatic when he had his head buried in the towel?
[QUOTE=NinerAdvocate;159290]That is the most ridiculous load of machismo crap that Iāve ever read, and Iām tired of seeing it. The players have no control over the refs. They can only do what they can do on the floor, but youāre asking them to beat the other team PLUS bad officiating. You can preach that garbage from a soapbox from now til the end of time, but itās total bunk. The goal of the team is to beat the other team, not the other TWO teams out there. The fact that the refs decided this game for EITHER team is absolutely embarassing for this league, and any league where that happens. Up until that point, we had two teams playing their asses off and that was an absolute joy to watch, as I pointed out in my āwin or lose - great gameā post. That was before the zebras ****ed it all up, taking a ridiculous 6 minutes to make the wrong damn call.[/QUOTE]
If we make our free throws or box out and get a rebound nothing the refs do mattersā¦Or is that just a load of machismo???
The weak side rebound in regulation and OT, is what got us. One was an airball the the other was a brick that went off on the side of the rim.
If we make our free throws or box out and get a rebound nothing the refs do matters....Or is that just a load of machismo????
I think the point is that this argument could be made for any game, no one ever gets every rebound or blocks out every player on every rebound. A team can always play better, but in my estimation Saturdayās effort was the effort of a team that should have won.
Oh, and we did get what should have been the winning rebound, the one DA got and was fouled. It just happened to be followed by the technical.
[QUOTE=metro;159245]coaches always told me- and I firmly believe, in order to avoid a late bad call by a ref to decide a game, you have to make sure the game is won beyond a margin of error.
if you lose due to a bad call, its the breaksā¦and you have to win or insulate yourself beyond that margin.[/QUOTE]
Completely agree. Coaches would tell us the same thing. Actually had one coach who used the 6 point rule in basketball. When going into a hostile away environment you figured to lose at least 6 points from homecooking or biased officials. You need to take care of that and prepare yourself for it. I actually think it helps you keep your composure better if you know this going in so as to not overreact to the bad calls.
It is also part of the homecourt advantage. Hell Lutz even told one official a couple of years ago that he would never work in Halton again after a bad āhomeā call. Why do you think the upper tier ānameā schools never play away OOC games. If you do not believe what I am saying then rewind and watch the tapes of every away ACC game that we have ever been lucky enough to schedule and see how the officiating went. Heck it even happens when we get a big name team in Halton. When those games are scheduled it usually comes with the stipulation that the visiting team brings their conference refs.
The refs are also not robots out there making calls. Human nature comes into play more often than not and lots of times this is dictated by the crowd. A noisy crowd is a huge psychological influence on officials like it or not.
Bottom line the refs in the A10 are below average at best so prepare yourself for it and control your own destiny home and away. Impose your will once and a while and stand up and make a play that they can not deny and win the damn game.
I am by no means stading up for the officials but get your facts right before you start crying a river for the incident. First off the only official there that had any credibility was Fran Connolly, has done the NCAA tournament before and is not associated with any one conference. Jack Sweeney is a small timer, most the games he does are in smaller conferences, and the only one of these guys that is truely a usual to the A10 is Eric Anderson. So stop all the bitching about A10 officials. It doesnāt make it anymore right that Lee threw an elbow, and it isnāt like it only did it once. Does it mean it was fair? Hell no it wasnāt fair. But anyone who will watch a sporting event knows its never the guy who starts it that gets caught. As for them not assessing a double technical after reviewing the tape, you arent allowed to. Thatās what Lutz was talking to the refs about when they were reviewing. They claimed to be making sure no punchs were thown from either side as for ejections. But the real question is, WHY THE HELL ARE WE STILL TALKING ABOUT THIS?!?!?! :ticked: Its over, move on. You canāt change it, and no one is going to get fined, suspended, fired or otherwise and bitching isnt changing it.
Iām going to keep talking about it until I feel like it, and it has nothing to do with the outcome of the game. It has everything to do with protecting our interests in the A10 tournament. If you canāt get it, Iām sorry. Try origami maybe.
[QUOTE=NinerAdvocate;159290]That is the most ridiculous load of machismo crap that Iāve ever read, and Iām tired of seeing it. The players have no control over the refs. They can only do what they can do on the floor, but youāre asking them to beat the other team PLUS bad officiating. You can preach that garbage from a soapbox from now til the end of time, but itās total bunk. The goal of the team is to beat the other team, not the other TWO teams out there. The fact that the refs decided this game for EITHER team is absolutely embarassing for this league, and any league where that happens. Up until that point, we had two teams playing their asses off and that was an absolute joy to watch, as I pointed out in my āwin or lose - great gameā post. That was before the zebras ****ed it all up, taking a ridiculous 6 minutes to make the wrong damn call.[/QUOTE]
If we make free throws down the stretch - the bad call is irrelevant
If we play ANY defense at all in the first half - the bad call is irrelevant
If we keep them off the offensive glass on ONE occassion (either end of regulation OR end of OT) - the bad call is irrelevant
We had PLENTY of chances to win the game.
I agree somewhat with the idea about having to just play through bad calls, because refs are human and itās going to happen. I have a problem though with procedural mistakes playing a part in the outcome of a closely contested game. If Frank Connolly (sp?) had signaled the tech prior to going to look at the monitor, then I might be upset with the call but bottom line is I would have to just accept it as his judgement on a certain play. But, officials are trained to follow certain procedures and when that does not happen, and it plays a role in the outcome of a game between two teams who are playing their hearts out, I have a problem with that.
Also, human error will always be part of sports. Although, it is being recognized by many sports leagues that that should not be a deternining factor to the outcome of games. That is why we have seen the increase in the use of instant replays in the NFL, NHL, NBA, and NCAA sports as well. So coaches will teach you to play through tough calls, because they want you to keep your concentration and also learn the lesson that life will be unfair at times, but they despise bad calls at the end of games just as much (if not more) than fans. Bad calls at the end of games hurt more because they leave a team with little time to recover. Thatās why not only do players need to be composed and have a hightened sense of concentration in crunch time, but officials do also.
[QUOTE=jcl49er;159223]FYI:
Bill Rosinski will have Bobby on during the 11am-12pm slot to talk about the GW game and upcoming A-10 Tournament. Canāt wait to hear his comments about Saturday after heās had a chance to unwind a bit.[/QUOTE]
It seems that when I am in Charlotte during the basketball season, Bill Rosinski would talk about the 49ers and actually break games down . Hats off to Bill for being one of the good guys on FNZ.
Billās son graduated from Charlotte. I had a lot of classes with him and was on his team for a few projects, brilliant guy.
[QUOTE=KTown49er;159342]If we make free throws down the stretch - the bad call is irrelevant
If we play ANY defense at all in the first half - the bad call is irrelevant
If we keep them off the offensive glass on ONE occassion (either end of regulation OR end of OT) - the bad call is irrelevant
We had PLENTY of chances to win the game.[/QUOTE]
At the end of the day the bad callā¦no check that the horrible call, maybe the worst of the year in college baketball, cost us the game. Bottom line is DA was fouled, we were up by 2 and the game was virtually over. The officials changed all that single-handedly. Iāve seen hundreds of games come down the final shot, but have never seen one so blatently decided by an official call with just seconds left.
[QUOTE=KTown49er;159342]If we make free throws down the stretch - the bad call is irrelevant
If we play ANY defense at all in the first half - the bad call is irrelevant
If we keep them off the offensive glass on ONE occassion (either end of regulation OR end of OT) - the bad call is irrelevant
We had PLENTY of chances to win the game.[/QUOTE]
What he said. Even with all the crap we still coulda/shoulda won. Letās move on.
[QUOTE=EJNiner;159383]At the end of the day the bad callā¦no check that the horrible call, maybe the worst of the year in college baketball, cost us the game. Bottom line is DA was fouled, we were up by 2 and the game was virtually over. The officials changed all that single-handedly. Iāve seen hundreds of games come down the final shot, but have never seen one so blatently decided by an official call with just seconds left.[/QUOTE]
Yep, BUTā¦BUTā¦Lee blew his cool at a most unopportune time. He must have REALLY lost focus. Maybe he had kinda of a flashback that one of the DC homies wuz gonna whack him. PLEEEEZE!! It was huge basketball game that we had in the bag and he BLEW IT!!! If he wants to rumble, leave our team and join a gang.