Mid-Majority.com's Kyle Whelliston says A10 is mid-major

http://www.midmajority.com/2008/01/the-boubacar-1102008-big-time.php

[QUOTE]The Boubacar 1/10/2008 (Big Time Edition)
By Kyle Whelliston on January 10, 2008 11:56 AM | Permalink
SPARTANBURG, S.C. – I was going to start out today with a hilarious joke about squirrels and their nuts, but this came across the wires this morning. The Cincinnati Enquirer, a fine newspaper, ran this today: Xavier shuns mid-major award. Here’s a taste for those who don’t like clicking things:

Rivals.com called Xavier to tell the athletic department that the Web site had chosen senior point guard Drew Lavender for its ā€œMid-Major Player of the Week Award.ā€

Xavier athletic director Mike Bobinski told the Web site thanks, but no thanks.

ā€œIt’s such as easy thing to do to put labels on people,ā€ Bobinski said. ā€œBut you do an injustice when you don’t know or tell the whole story by lumping people into broad major or mid-major categories.ā€

There’s been a lot of consternation in the Atlantic 14 this year because people like Rivals.Com, and ESPN.com – and yes, me – are covering the league like it’s something other than a power conference. Most outlets are basing the lowered status on the lowered number of premier wins, NCAA bids and postseason success in recent years… and no doubt about it, the A-14 has not been getting the same types of results it was getting back in the mid-Nineties when it was the A-10. But, for those just joining us, wins and losses are not our yardsticks here. As I’ve said many times before, mid-majorness is not about on-court performance. It’s about resources.

With all respect to Bobinski, I’ll tell you what the whole story is. Xavier is a school that spends just $11 million on athletics (according to the 2006-07 Office of Postsecondary Education figures), which would put them right there with any of the Missouri Valley, CAA or WAC programs. No fewer than 183 schools spent more. The school pulled a profit of $7 million on its operation last year, and that’s good for them… this is a business.

I’m really sorry that we don’t have a better label for conferences that don’t have the finances of the Big Six and the two money leagues (Conference USA and Mountain West, which have average athletic budgets in the mid-$20M range). This imperfect hyphenate is the label we inherited. And I don’t care if Xavier doesn’t want me to, I’m going to continue to talk about Xavier for years to come, whether the school is beating power-conference teams or having the kind of 10-20 down year that every program suffers eventually. If their own AD can’t bring himself to celebrate the fact that his school is doing a hell of a lot with very little, too bad. It’s a great story.

But I can’t help wondering: why did Rivals.Com feel the need to call them up? Did they have to obtain a mailing address to send the trophy?

Dayton. We’re going to keep talking about UD too, whether the folks in Hoops Nation’s undisputed capital like it or not. And while it was no work of art (just like they wanted it), the Flyers made its big A-14 statement last night, shooting a gigantic 62 percent from the floor in beating Rhode Island. The Flyers forced the Rams to play their pace and turned aside any and all second-half bursts in an impressive 92-83 win.

I’m not going to say I told you so, because it’s still early, but URI (now 14-2) is going to have to play at speeds other than ā€œbreakneckā€ if they want to win enough games to get to the NCAA Tournament. When you look around the league, there are a lot of squads that will draw them into slogs for which they will need to be better prepared. They also have to get better free throw shooting (56 percent last night), and get some type of bench production. Only five baskets from the reserves.
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Charlotte. Speaking of gaudy early-season records that don’t mean as much as face value, look at Clemson. For the second year in a row, they built up a huge amount of wins over a soft schedule (14-0 last year, 12-1 this year) and they’ve fallen hard when the year turned. But we’re not here to talk about them, it’s all about the team that made them look bad.

In an 82-72 win last night, the 49ers pushed the tempo and held their ACC foes to 38 percent shooting. They’re just 9-5 going into conference play, but with wins against Davidson, Wake Forest and now Clemson. Charlotte likely won’t make the NCAA’s, but their contribution to the backbone of the conference will be one of the key things that gets a third or fourth team in. Maybe someone like…
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Saint Joseph’s. Many analysts use a ā€œwin-basedā€ method of determining who’s good. Who’d they beat? Oh, look who won! They lost, oh, forget about them. And that’s understandable, because there are so many teams to track. A 7-4 team like Saint Joseph’s can slip under the radar, even if their losses were super-close against good teams.

I’ve been yammering on a lot about how good the Joes are, and I’ve struggled to figure out why I’ve been in the ā€œperformance-basedā€ minority. It’s been a whole lot of Xavier, URI, Dayton in the larger press, and since I saw them twice earlier, I’ve believed that this is the second most well-rounded team in the conference (next to Xavier)… and in March, dynamism is what gets you wins, not resumé or December hype. Last night, they played well over their accustomed down-tempo speed, shot 58 percent, and beat UMass on the road, 98-92. I’m putting this theory out there, because I know there are like-minded people who will pick this up and (dis)prove it elsewhere on the internet: Teams that can win at different speeds make it to the Big Dance, and win games there.

With the big away performance to earn their eighth victory, the Hawks shoot up in our real-time State of the Mid-Majors index to No. 5, mostly because of…

Sam Houston State. Down goes Houston! Down goes Houston! After a stellar nonconference season with lots of road wins, the Bearkats failed to protect the home court in dropping a season-opening Southland mini-shocker to Southeastern Louisiana, 61-58. SHSU drops all the way from No. 1 to No. 7, and the 3 – their friend for two months – deserted them when they needed it most. Just one for 11 from long-horn distance.

And last but not least…

How ā€˜Boutā„¢ Davidson? We at Elon were forced to sit around for a while before a 9 p.m. TV tip (plenty of time to watch the UD-UDI game on the laptop), but 23.4 ppg star Stephen Curry seemed to be affected by the wait. Only one point in the first half, but he silenced the packed home crowd by scoring the Wildcats’ final eight points in a 59-57 come-from-behind win over the Phoenix.

Also, How ā€˜Boutā„¢ Northern Colorado? Forget its second-year status in the Big Sky, this is an honorary Mountain West school! Within the Bears’ 8-8 overall record are wins over Colorado State and last night’s road win at San Diego State by a 62-56 count. Stop winning, guys, or schools aren’t going to invite you over for the money games you need to build your program!

Lastly, How 'Boutā„¢ Drake? Best team in the Valley! The showdown between unlikely 3-0 teams ended in a 25-point rout of Indiana State, and now the Bulldogs are the No. 1 team in our SotMM index. If they win their next two games (vs. Missouri State and at Bradley), and fellow 4-0 Illinois State wins its next pair, we could have the biggest throwdown-showdown Des Moines has seen in ages on Jan. 19.

But with leading scorer Josh Young out indefinitely with a sprained ankle, will Drake be 6-0 by then?
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Also, he refers to the league as the A-14 all the time…-_-

I don’t agree with his argument against Xavier and money. The reason Xavier’s athletic budget isn’t bloated like CUSA and MWC schools is because they don’t play football. Look at the money they spend on basketball, it’s top 20 I believe, maybe top 10.

the guy makes a good point

BCS budgets are $30-50m

the avg CUSA and Mtn West budget is 20m

most A10 teams are in the 9m range

As others have mentioned, Midmajority.com is one of few sources that have called the A10 a major conference. I find it odd they’d change their mind now, especially when the A10 is doing so well.

Negative article to get attention perhaps?

[QUOTE=metro;283491]the guy makes a good point

BCS budgets are $30-50m

the avg CUSA and Mtn West budget is 20m

most A10 teams are in the 9m range[/QUOTE]

What I’m saying metro, is most A10 schools don’t have football. That’s a HUGE portion of the others athletic budget and so you have to look at the basketball figures. I believe Xavier ranks VERY high in the basketball spending, there was an ESPN article somewhere that said them & Memphis were two of the highest spending basketball Non-BCS schools. Xavier makes a ton of money from the PSL’s in Cintas.

[QUOTE=Ninerballin;283495]What I’m saying metro, is most A10 schools don’t have football. That’s a HUGE portion of the others athletic budget [/QUOTE]
BINGO !!! And is this guy now trying to say that team and conference quality and performance mean nothing? That sounds pretty shallow… almost ā€œPackerishā€

After our Final Four appearance in 1977 and a large number of wins v. top-25
years since then, I swear if someone calls us a mid-major to my face, I’m gonna
smack 'em in the mouth. How the hell do you go from a major program to a mid-major?
Can you imagine LSU football being called mid-major. Screw these people
who like to call people names.

[QUOTE=eason49;283494]Negative article to get attention perhaps?[/QUOTE]

That’s my feeling, exactly.

This is what he posted in the previous week:

[QUOTE]The A-14 in general. I just want to take a moment to note that I didn’t write more than five words about this conference for over a year, but ever since ESPN.com put me back on the beat (which spilled over to this space), I’ve been overwhelmed by the passion and intensity of the league’s fans. I think every single person who’s helped [B]double the site traffic[/B] this year has been from an Atlantic 14 school.[/QUOTE]

I think he’s catering to his audience by trying to piss them off. In other words, he’s following the playbook of the local Charlotte media. :tongue:

[QUOTE=eason49;283494]As others have mentioned, Midmajority.com is one of few sources that have called the A10 a major conference. I find it odd they’d change their mind now, especially when the A10 is doing so well.

Negative article to get attention perhaps?[/QUOTE]

Sports writers are a weird fraturnity that stick together like glue when an ā€œoutsiderā€ disagrees with their self appointed devine right to bestow honors and titles and praises on to college programs. In a state where the majority of journalists are graduates of Chapel Hill, we should be accutely aware of this.

[QUOTE=metro;283491]the guy makes a good point

BCS budgets are $30-50m

the avg CUSA and Mtn West budget is 20m

most A10 teams are in the 9m range[/QUOTE]

its a terrible point. Apples to oranges. Compare Xavier’s BASKETBALL budget to any BCS teams BASKETBALL operations.

and he is condescending as hell. Screw him.

hope this f-tard calls the Big 10… Big 11

its a terrible point. Apples to oranges. Compare Xavier's BASKETBALL budget to any BCS teams BASKETBALL operations.

and he is condescending as hell. Screw him.

does the A10 have a single NCAA title in hoops?

[QUOTE=49RFootballNow;283507]In a state where the majority of journalists are graduates of Chapel Hill, we should be accutely aware of this.[/QUOTE] We are.

does the A10 have a single NCAA title in hoops?

I think La Salle, won it all in like 1930 or something crazy like that. :smile:

I think La Salle, won it all in like 1930 or something crazy like that. :smile:

yeah, 54’ just looked it up. Intersting.

http://encarta.msn.com/media_701500777/NCAA_Basketball_Men’s_Division_I_Champions.html

Who won a NCAA Hoops title in the ā€œold CUSAā€? Marquette, Louisville, that’s it
right? Maybe DePaul is a mid-major, too. lol

Who won a NCAA Hoops title in the "old CUSA"? Marquette, Louisville, that's it right? Maybe DePaul is a mid-major, too. lol

Cinci did also.

[QUOTE=EE9er;283513]I think La Salle, won it all in like 1930 or something crazy like that. :smile:[/QUOTE]
Yep… Didn’t San Francisco win it a couple of times too? You never know what may happen. Duke’s program may suck 50 years from now.

Didn’t the term mid-major start being used about the same time the BCS was formed?

[QUOTE=fishniner;283516]Who won a NCAA Hoops title in the ā€œold CUSAā€? Marquette, Louisville, that’s it
right? Maybe DePaul is a mid-major, too. lol[/QUOTE]
Cinci won it in the early 60’s. Houston almost won it both in the late 60’s and again in the early 80’s.

[QUOTE=metro;283514]yeah, 54’ just looked it up. Intersting.

http://encarta.msn.com/media_701500777/NCAA_Basketball_Men’s_Division_I_Champions.html[/QUOTE]

Yea they just had some guy named Tom Gola leading them. One of only six to be named All-American FOUR times. La Salle also won the NIT Gola’s freshman year (more prestigious in that day, teams would refuse bids to the NCAA Tournament to pay in the NIT Tournament). In 1955 they reached the championship game only to lose to eventual two-time champions San Francisco and Bill Russell.

Hmm… what Arena does La Salle play in again :biggrin:.

Interesting enough there’s been a lot of Great players of teams in the league over the years:

Here’s a few (I know I’m probably missing a ton)

  1. Tom Gola - La Salle
  2. Bob Lanier - St. Bonaventure
  3. Shihugo Green - Duquesne
  4. Jameer Nelson - St. Joeseph’s
  5. Marcus Camby - UMass
  6. David West - Xavier
  7. Lionel Simmons - La Salle
  8. Eddie Jones - Temple
  9. Julius Erving - UMass
  10. Cedric Maxwell - Charlotte
  11. Lamar Odom - Rhode Island
  12. Ed Macauley - Saint Louis
  13. Marc Macon - Temple
  14. Larry Hughes - Saint Louis

Alright really the list could go on, but I think I may went a little too far. BTW, there’s a few HOF’s, College POY’s in there.