Mike Hill and the Future

Mike Hill has to be a little salty at this point. He’s made some good hires, tennis, baseball. Softball was great, but like all great things, they never last long. Wbb looks like it could be a long year, but we’ll see about the new coach. You just fired the vb coach. The coaches who have performed consistently are mostly holdovers from Rose’s tenure.

Your hand picked mbb coach quits to go back to being an assistant. Not a good sign. You’re now on your third fb coach, or really fourth if you count lambert in what 6-7 years at the helm?

I feel like Hill has the pulse of college athletics right now, but he’s swimming upstream and can’t seem to get ahead with these hires. Maybe the next one will be a hit and we can enjoy the next 5-10 years, while we watch our facilities grow in the process. It may be a fools hope, but I feel the next one will be the one. :call_me_hand:

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The next one HAS to be the one, or he’s out too.

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Just a reminder that Sanchez left to be the coach in waiting at UVA. And that wasn’t even the first time Bennett had convinced a one time assistant turned HC to come back to Charlottesville in a supporting role.

Don’t see any of that as a reflection on Hill. Just the reality of being an AD in a conference in which hoops is mostly irrelevant. Plus don’t recall anyone here being unhappy Sanchez left - just the manner in which he did it.

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No serious institution allows an AD to fire three football coaches and hire a 4th. Both of his hires were stretches and missed. He has to get this one right or there’s no way we can keep him.

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I think this needs to be discussed more.

How does the administration allow an AD to hire a 3rd head football coach? After firing the first 2?

The lack of success on the field/court in revenue sports is a direct result of the lack of support and resources provided by the athletic department.

We have one of the lowest, if not the lowest, budgets in the conference but decided to pay a buyout for a coach that could have conceivably won the last two games of the season and tied for the second most wins in program history. Whether you like Poggi or not, that’s the reality.

The low budget is a direct result of the failure of the AD, who has proven he has no ability to fundraise and has continued to make questionable hires in the athletic department. Say what you want about Judy Rose, but at least she could fundraise.

The Evergreen plan is like a children’s book. It helps you sleep at night, but you know that when you wake up it was just a story and has no reality of coming true. We are over paying for a football stadium expansion that we will not fill.

There needs to be serious discussion about replacing the entire athletics department staff.

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Mike Hill just got a contract extension through 2030. That decision falls on the chancellor and the BoT.

Great points that really are hard to argue against. I do think we will fill the enlarged stadium at least half the time which is credit to our fan base, and its only going us 3000 seats in first phase.

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I like Mike. I think he wants to win badly. I also think it is really difficult to win here with the systems and structures that are in place. I think Mike inherited a lot of that, and it is going to take a desire to change and prioritize athletics above Mike Hill’s head. I’ve heard the crazy stories about chartwells not wanting to open a restaurant for a recruiting event and things like that. I do think these things make it difficult for us.

Candidly, I am extremely surprised that Mike is getting to select another football coach. I think he is too. That said, UNC Charlotte does not get rid of athletic directors easily. It is in the best interest of everyone if Mike hires someone good here, and they win.

I’m a blue collar guy. I am not able to donate much. I am ready to see our athletic department go in a new direction where we are not regularly tapping the same 2,000-4,000 donors for more money.

I do think our ticket prices are out of control. I recognize that we sold out most of our football games, so I really can’t complain about that. Basketball tickets have skyrocketed, and attendance is down after the most successful season in a decade. I do not find that to be a coincidence. Respectfully to everyone in the athletic department, we can all get into Halton for free whenever we want to, because there is absolutely no demand for tickets. I’m sure they know that.

I abhor the model of making our fans donate extravagant amounts of money to be able to purchase sideline gear. We are the only school I’ve ever seen that operates on that model. I think we’ve all participated in it at some point, but it is genuinely insulting. I know the guys that started the Grand Slam Club at Baseball did not intend for it to end up quite like this with every single one of our sports. The other issue with this model is that if we ever do win in football or basketball, and nike or fanatics want to sell our stuff, this model will come crashing down overnight. It is short sighted at best.

On the note of gear, the Barnes and Noble deal is terrible. For those that don’t know, they give us a set fee to operate on our campus. The last time I looked it was about $900,000. If they make $700,000 dollars operating on our campus, they lose 200k. If they make 1.5 million, they profit. I’m sure we get some sort of percentage, but I don’t know the numbers, and it’s not a good deal for the AD. This deal was made above Mike’s head by Phil Dubois, and he then re-upped it on his way out the door. Chartwells has a similar deal with food operations on campus. So we are one of the only schools in existence that does not necessarily benefit from more butts in seats, other than the look on television, the recruiting boost, and the noise in the stadium. Those things are important, but dollar bills are more important.

Our fans got extremely used to the dynamic that the athletic department is and was the enemy for a very long time. I genuinely feel like that is no longer the case. I only pay attention to us, but I swear I have never experienced an athletics program that allows so many of it’s employees to regularly take public shots at stakeholders.

I know we need more money. I would like to see more effort go into capturing students while they are here, and showing them the donating process. $50 dollar donors turn into whales sometimes. We have a tremendous amount of alumni in the area that are not engaged with the University at all. We lost those people somewhere between the day they started school, and graduation day. If we don’t engage people before they leave campus, we likely won’t ever get them. I know that we have people that do post here, and have posted here in the past that have championed this effort. Something like “IPTAY” at Clemson. The current students have gotten used to selling out football. That’s wonderful. Even if we have to charge them 25 bucks, let’s get them signed up for season tickets next fall. One of them may be very rich in the near future. Lord knows we have empty seats on the home side. As people grow and mature one ticket quickly turns into two, and then three and then four or more. The guy with 50 bucks to donate this year may have 100 next year, and 200 the next. And even if he doesn’t , it’s 50 bucks we didn’t have. Even if we get 10 bucks and a current student’s email address on graduation, we have a way to contact him.

Winning solves a lot of our problems. Would like to see that happen. These are just some things that I would like to see operate differently if I was in the big chair.

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FWIW, we already charge students for tickets and it’s a whole lot more than $25.

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clt says 'blue collar workers" will do better in the AI economy

Across the entirety of our 17 sports? I’m pretty sure the students have access to free tickets for everything.

Not when you consider student activity fees

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Yeah $900 a year isn’t free

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No one gets three bites at the apple, no one. It’s an embarrassment honestly.

Record of revenue sports since Mike Hill was hired:
Basketball 93-91
Football 23-42
*at the time of Poggi’s firing

This is not the Gold Standard that we were promised 7 years ago.

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clt says fb and mbb were on the way up until “covid”

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Well, we were the only school that had to deal with Covid. All other schools were immune

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And we just extended that guy! A guy that not a single P4 program in the country would hire with his track records in football and basketball. We are not a serious program. I don’t know how else to say it. We have a budget like an AAC program. We spend money like an AAC program. But the reality is, we are still Mayberry masquerading around as a real athletics department.

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For basketball thats true - just bad luck that Ron’s team was playing really well when it happened.

For football I classify it a little different. Yes all programs had to deal with football, but not all programs were only 7 years old, coming off their first winning season and first bowl game. For the first time since we started football we actually had some momentum only to have the following season and crowds wrecked by covid. What should have been a pre NIL recruiting uptick due to bowl became a no in person recruiting window. Just absolutely sucks that the when we finally caught some success we werent able to capitalize on it at all.

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We should be doing better no doubt - but we dont have an AAC budget. We have an CUSA budget. We need to up our budget 15-20 mil to be AAC level. That is where USF and Memphis are.

When do we begin to receive a full TV revenue share? If I remember correctly, we had to wait a certain number of years before we got it.