So Mizzou to the Big 10, huh?
[quote=“49or bust, post:20, topic:23191”]Cal rarely goes by UC/University of California. Not nearly on the same scale that UNC goes by UNC.
With UCF, USF it’s not a matter of them having the state’s name, it’s that they regionalize themselves and have a belittling naming modifier. U of Florida is the whole state. U of Central Florida is just a region of a state. “State,” “Tech,” “U of,” “[City],” even “A&T” all seem on the same level. After that it sounds weak. The regional names sound like you are a sub-class of an already established brand.
I use slave name in this case because it is belittling. It’s not as bad or as fitting a usage of the term as what we’ve got going on tho.[/quote]
Did you pull your back with that stretch?
[quote=“Powerbait, post:22, topic:23191”][quote=“49or bust, post:20, topic:23191”]Cal rarely goes by UC/University of California. Not nearly on the same scale that UNC goes by UNC.
With UCF, USF it’s not a matter of them having the state’s name, it’s that they regionalize themselves and have a belittling naming modifier. U of Florida is the whole state. U of Central Florida is just a region of a state. “State,” “Tech,” “U of,” “[City],” even “A&T” all seem on the same level. After that it sounds weak. The regional names sound like you are a sub-class of an already established brand.
I use slave name in this case because it is belittling. It’s not as bad or as fitting a usage of the term as what we’ve got going on tho.[/quote]
Did you pull your back with that stretch?[/quote]
Nope. Seems pretty rational to me. Same exact thing as the WNBA and NFL Europe.
How is a region of a state more belittling than just a city? The area that encompasses central Florida is much larger in size than just Orlando. Name me one city named public school that is the premier school in their state. There isn’t one. Syracuse might be the only one in the entire country, but they’re private.
Come on man, Everyone knows U of Central Florida is less regionalized than University of Charlotte. Florida is a tiny state smaller than Rhode Island perhaps and Charlotte is one of the five largest cities in the country…
[quote=“49or bust, post:20, topic:23191”]Cal rarely goes by UC/University of California. Not nearly on the same scale that UNC goes by UNC.
With UCF, USF it’s not a matter of them having the state’s name, it’s that they regionalize themselves and have a belittling naming modifier. U of Florida is the whole state. U of Central Florida is just a region of a state. “State,” “Tech,” “U of,” “[City],” even “A&T” all seem on the same level. After that it sounds weak. The regional names sound like you are a sub-class of an already established brand.
I use slave name in this case because it is belittling. It’s not as bad or as fitting a usage of the term as what we’ve got going on tho.[/quote]
And with this logic, you are still pushing University of Charlotte?
Hell, at least UCF has an entire region to its name…
I think Bust is making a legitimate point. If you don’t have a problem with UCF, then we could be University of Piedmont North Carolina. Or University of Metrolina North Carolina. Or University on the Stateline of the Carolinas.
Or North Carolina Southern University.
[quote=“49or bust, post:20, topic:23191”]Cal rarely goes by UC/University of California.[/quote]Wrong.
All the football major conferences should band together and refuse to play Notre Dame until they join a conference. I am afraid the conference shake up will hurt us worse than the last one.
I’m afraid our football ambition is too little too late. It won’t do jack to help us for another 15 years. Its shameful 9-11 was the crutch used to not move forward.
Get used to mid major/mid Atlantic conferences with horsecrap tv packages and little respect.
I see the point of a city being smaller than a region of a state. The difference is, regions of states have 0 significance. A state actually matters to people. A city also actually matters to people. But no one ever goes around repping that they are from Central Florida or Western Kentucky. I think this is the biggest thing for me. No one gives a crap about a region of a state.
Furthermore, city name schools are clearly taking a different approach to their name. They aren’t piggy backing on what seems to already be an established brand.
And if you are talking about sports that matter to people, Louisville has been best in its state several years in bball and fball. Also Memphis was better than Tennessee in bball a few years (including those vacated). Cincinatti was best in it’s state in basketball several years. Clemson (which goes by [city] U rather than U of [city]) has been the best at both bball and fball in its state for a long time.
Also, USC (SoCal) is the exact same to this discussion as UNLV is to the discussion of our name.
Is too. If they are called “UC”, it is “UC-Berkley.” There is a big difference between the two. In sports they are occasionally called “University of California,” but not nearly as often as UNC is called “University of North Carolina.” They go by “Cal” in athletics. Hell, even we are called “the University of Charlotte” from time to time.
For the record:
UC-Berkeley goes by California (or “Cal” for short) in athletics, just like UNC-chapel hill goes by North Carolina (or 'UNC" for short) in athletics.
I think the only school that stood up against them years ago was Kansas State. Nobody else would publically boycott playing them. Notre Dame still has a very advantageous recruiting tool with their NBC contract, but it’s not nearly as advantageous as it was 20+ years ago when the satelite/cable packages were not what they are today. Until a) someone can prove that Notre Dame will make more money by joining a conference or b ) the BCS systematically makes it nearly impossible for them to win a “National Championship”, Notre Dame will remain independent for football.
Back on the original topic -
This shakeup isn’t as bad as I feared if this is true. It is however weird. The Big 10 currently has 11 schools. Why are they going to 15 and not 12 or 16?
The Big 12 loses two. They can take their pick of who they want from the MWC, CUSA, and WAC.
The Big East also loses just two so they won’t blow up after all. I’d guess the most likely two candidates to replace them are Memphis and UCF.
So I don’t think we’re screwed yet unless the other conferences feel like they need to add members too.
[quote=“NovaNiner, post:36, topic:23191”]Back on the original topic -
This shakeup isn’t as bad as I feared if this is true. It is however weird. The Big 10 currently has 11 schools. Why are they going to 15 and not 12 or 16?[/quote]
My guess is they are going to 16 and this is an incomplete list of teams they want to add.
[quote=“NovaNiner, post:36, topic:23191”]Back on the original topic -
This shakeup isn’t as bad as I feared if this is true. It is however weird. The Big 10 currently has 11 schools. Why are they going to 15 and not 12 or 16?
The Big 12 loses two. They can take their pick of who they want from the MWC, CUSA, and WAC.
The Big East also loses just two so they won’t blow up after all. I’d guess the most likely two candidates to replace them are Memphis and UCF.
So I don’t think we’re screwed yet unless the other conferences feel like they need to add members too.[/quote]
The Big 10 is adding 5 according to the original link: Missouri, Nebraska, Pitt, Syracuse, and Rutgers. They’ll have 16. Big East will need 3.
Anybody think we have a shot in hell at being a basketball-only member of the Big East until we can move up in 2017?
I do, but it depends who they bring in if they do in fact lose 3. If it is UCF and Memphis and another, that other team could be really important to our chances. If it is ECU, there goes their need for a NC market team. If it is someone else, especially a weaker basketball school, they might take us to help their bball.
Of course, we better get back to our winning ways if we want a shot.
[quote=“X-49er, post:38, topic:23191”]The Big 10 is adding 5 according to the original link: Missouri, Nebraska, Pitt, Syracuse, and Rutgers. They’ll have 16. Big East will need 3.
Anybody think we have a shot in hell at being a basketball-only member of the Big East until we can move up in 2017?[/quote]
by “basketball only” do you really mean “everything but football”?
They have 3 openings, UCF is a given. I think memphis gets the nod, and then you are competiting with ECU. They are doing major expansion of athletic facilities: http://www.ecupirates.com/facilities/facility-construction-2010.html
If we play our cards right it is possible, our TV market potential is way better. Build out baseball stadium, start women’s lacrosse, increase success in basketball and we may be okay.