[QUOTE=Gill2003;206286]I like the way University of Charlotte sounds. But I think people would say Charlotte State University should be the way its said, because we are part of the state system,[/QUOTE]
Charlotte State University = CSU
That will be wierd to get used to. Either one is better than now though!
I like the way University of Charlotte sounds. But I think people would say Charlotte State University should be the way its said, because we are part of the state system,Thats a good point. They better not make us take that name because it is shitty. Its still a move up but sounds very lame. Besides, there are 6 UNC ____ schools 6 ____ State schools 2 NC _____ schools, and 2 _____ Carolina schools
so its not like they are following much of a trend. We are the 20th largest city in the greatest country on earth. I think its ok and a good marketing idea if the Univerisity is just University of Charlotte.
Charlotte State University = CSU That [B]will[/B] be wierd to get used to.Aww mannn... can we please not even talk like this. If we are going to do this thing can we please do it right. University of Charlotte sounds so much classier and is an easier change. Just take a big black marker to a couple words on anything with our current name and youre good to go. [QUOTE] Either one is better than now though![/QUOTE] Very true!
[QUOTE=49or bust;206284]I see what you are getting at but I really think āUniversity of Charlotteā sounds and looks better. Look at this and tell me that aināt pretty
Plus, most universityās in large cities are named like that.
University of Pittsburgh
University of Louisville
University of Memphis
University of Cincinnati
University of Houston
I like the way that sounds a lot better, but thats only an opinion.[/QUOTE]
49or Bust, I totally agree University of Charlotte is the way to go, just thought it was interesting, no University of Boone or University of Greensboro.
49or Bust, I totally agree University of Charlotte is the way to go, just thought it was interesting, no University of Boone or University of Greensboro.
but app state has their own name independent from unc systemā¦
but app [B]state[/B] has their own name independent from unc system...
They have āstateā in their name, as did Pembroke State, and as does Winston-Salem State, etcā¦
They donāt have a āUNCā in their name. I do NOT want a Charlotte State University name as it just sounds small time to me. Memphis worked hard to shed the āStateā from their name.
They have "state" in their name, as did Pembroke State, and as does Winston-Salem State, etc.. They don't have a "UNC" in their name. I do NOT want a Charlotte State University name as it just sounds small time to me. Memphis worked hard to shed the "State" from their name.I totally agree. Charlotte State University sounds small time to me too. University of Charlotte is much better.
This may or may not be true in the UNC system, so someone can correct me if Iām wrong.
But, in most other states, if something is _____ State College or ______ State ā¦ that means they are a technical college, an agricultural college, or a teacherās college. (Or, if they arenāt any more, thatās how they started out).
Itās some type of University nomenclature, I think, that is fairly widely used.
Again, I could be totally out of left field, but I know of a bunch in the Northeast that used to be ____ State and changed their names when they were no longer teachersā colleges, and was told that is how schools are generally named.
This may or may not be true in the UNC system, so someone can correct me if I'm wrong.But, in most other states, if something is _____ State College or ______ State ā¦ that means they are a technical college, an agricultural college, or a teacherās college. (Or, if they arenāt any more, thatās how they started out).
Itās some type of University nomenclature, I think, that is fairly widely used.
Again, I could be totally out of left field, but I know of a bunch in the Northeast that used to be ____ State and changed their names when they were no longer teachersā colleges, and was told that is how schools are generally named.
That sounds right to meā¦ Georgia State was mostly a teacherās college in the beginning.
And, you know Kansas State HAD to be agriculture. NC State I guess was a tech schoolā¦ soā¦
I thought state just ment that is was a public school, supported by the state system
Charlotte State University sounds kinda stupid, but would be better then UNCC.
how about State University of Charlotte
but then our name would be SUC
or we could be University State Charlotte (USC LOL)
But usually there are two main schools, University of () and then () State ā¦ both in the same geographic state. So that would be why you have University of North Carolina and North Carolina State ā¦ or University of South Carolina and South Carolina State University ā¦ One is usually the flagship, catch-all school, and the other is a specialty school.
Texas State, University of Texas. Michigan State, University of Michigan. Etc.
But usually there are two main schools, University of (_____) and then (_____) State ... both in the same geographic state. So that would be why you have University of North Carolina and North Carolina State ... or University of South Carolina and South Carolina State University ... One is usually the flagship, catch-all school, and the other is a specialty school.Texas State, University of Texas. Michigan State, University of Michigan. Etc.
Michigan State and University of Michigan are just 2 schools that were established at different times.
See Pennsylvania for an example of colleges/universities that do not follow this. I posted a complete explanation previously either in this thread or another.
Also, isnāt SC State a historically black school? Clemson is other state university, named after, well, Clemson.
UVA and VA Commonwealth are both normal universitiesā¦VA Tech is the technical school. VAC would be State if VA was a state, but itās a commonwealth. Penn State doesnāt make any sense in this regard because PA isnāt a state either. Itās a commonwealth, too. So is Arizona.
University of California and Cal State are 2 different systems not 2 different schools.
Alabama and Auburn are public schools.
My point is that there is no real rhyme or reason behind what makes U ofā¦ and ā¦ State the designations. Just what the founders decided to call them.
But usually there are two main schools, University of (_____) and then (_____) State ... both in the same geographic state. So that would be why you have University of North Carolina and North Carolina State ... or University of South Carolina and South Carolina State University ... One is usually the flagship, catch-all school, and the other is a specialty school.Texas State, University of Texas. Michigan State, University of Michigan. Etc.
Thatās a stretch, Brickā¦
Iām still pretty sure that this is valid and thatās how its done in a lot of states. I tried looking up on Google, but it was hard to search for the right terms to get quality hits. Again, I could be wrong, but Iām pretty sure that is how itās done in a lot of places.
Brick, what would bother you more about a name change?
The loss of prestige to Charlotte or the loss of prestige to the UNC system? I ask you because you distinctly remind me of someone who posted under a different name who truly had this concern but wasnāt to my best knowledge a ācloset fanā Iām not saying youāre him, but just I know there are people with that position.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teachers_College
A lot of them started as ____ State Teachers College, and then later a lot of them were shortened to _____ State University when they branched out.
Furthermore,
In [URL=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1935][U][COLOR=#0000ff]1935[/COLOR][/U][/URL], the State Teachers Colleges became the California State Colleges and were administered by the California State Department of Education in Sacramento.
The same thing applies to the Connecticut State University system (separate from the University of Connecticut system). Started as the stateās Normal Schools for Teachers.
The school changed its name once again and became known as the [B]Chicago Teachers College[/B]. In 1965, the state of [URL=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illinois][U][COLOR=#0000ff]Illinois[/COLOR][/U][/URL] acquired the institution and once again received a name change, this time as [B]Illinois Teachers College: Chicago South[/B] (the Chicago South portion was soon dropped). In 1967, the institution became known as [B]Chicago State College[/B] and, finally, gained university status and its current name in 1971.
[B]Illinois State University[/B] (usually abbreviated as 'ISU') is a [URL=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_university][U][COLOR=#0000ff]public university[/COLOR][/U][/URL] in [URL=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Normal%2C_Illinois][U][COLOR=#0000ff]Normal, Illinois[/COLOR][/U][/URL]. Originally named Illinois State Normal University
Indiana State was created by an [URL=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indiana][U][COLOR=#0000ff]Indiana[/COLOR][/U][/URL] statute on December 20, 1865 as the (Indiana) State [URL=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Normal_School][U][COLOR=#0000ff]Normal School[/COLOR][/U][/URL]. As the State Normal School, its core mission was to educate elementary and high school teachers.
[B]Iowa State University[/B] ([B]ISU[/B]) is a public [URL=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Land-grant_university][U][COLOR=#0000ff]land-grant[/COLOR][/U][/URL] and [URL=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_grant_colleges][U][COLOR=#0000ff]space-grant[/COLOR][/U][/URL] university located in [URL=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ames%2C_Iowa][U][COLOR=#0000ff]Ames, Iowa[/COLOR][/U][/URL]. Official name: [B]Iowa State University of Science and Technology[/B]. It was previously the [B]Iowa State College of Agriculture and Mechanic Arts[/B]
Kentucky State University. The school was chartered in [COLOR=#0000ff]1886[/COLOR] and opened in [COLOR=#0000ff]1887[/COLOR] as the State [COLOR=#0000ff]Normal School[/COLOR] for Colored Persons.
Kansas State University, originally named Kansas State Agricultural College, was founded on [URL=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/February_16][U][COLOR=#0000ff]February 16[/COLOR][/U][/URL], [URL=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1863][U][COLOR=#0000ff]1863[/COLOR][/U][/URL], as a [URL=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Land-grant_university][U][COLOR=#0000ff]Land Grant institution[/COLOR][/U][/URL] under the [URL=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morrill_Land-Grant_Colleges_Act][U][COLOR=#0000ff]Morrill Act[/COLOR][/U][/URL].
It became the [I]Maryland State Teachers College at Bowie[/I] in [URL=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1935][U][COLOR=#0000ff]1935[/COLOR][/U][/URL] and [I]Bowie State College[/I] in [URL=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1963][U][COLOR=#0000ff]1963[/COLOR][/U][/URL]. In [URL=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1988][U][COLOR=#0000ff]1988[/COLOR][/U][/URL] it achieved university status.
Michigan State University. The [URL=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michigan_Constitution][U][COLOR=#0000ff]Michigan Constitution[/COLOR][/U][/URL] of 1850 called for the creation of an "agricultural school",[URL=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michigan_State_University#_note-4][U][COLOR=#0000ff][5][/COLOR][/U][/URL] though it was not until [URL=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/February_12][U][COLOR=#0000ff]February 12[/COLOR][/U][/URL], [URL=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1855][U][COLOR=#0000ff]1855[/COLOR][/U][/URL] that Michigan [URL=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Governors_of_Michigan][U][COLOR=#0000ff]Governor[/COLOR][/U][/URL] [URL=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kinsley_S._Bingham][U][COLOR=#0000ff]Kinsley S. Bingham[/COLOR][/U][/URL] signed a bill establishing the United States' first agriculture college, the Agricultural College of the State of Michigan.
Minnesota State system, separate from the University of Minnesota system, is a group of technical and community colleges brought together.
It is not 100% foolproof (Florida State, Penn State, others do not apply), but it IS why theyāre named that way in a lot of states.
I could go on, but really, who cares.
:happy:
PS - Iām ok with the name change, ok without it (donāt think itās that big a deal outside of athletics, but thatās another debate for another time). But if it happens, all Iām saying is, you canāt arbitrarily pick out āCharlotte State Universityā because thatās not really how it works most of the time. If it had been Charlotte State Teachersā College at one point, sure, but ā¦
University of Charlotte sounds fine, or Charlotte University with āMember of University of North Carolina Systemā as a subheader on signs and letterheads, etc. would work for me too.
[CENTER][B][SIZE=4]Charlotte University[/SIZE][/B]
Member of the University of North Carolina System[/CENTER]
What a surpriseā¦ I tried to take HPās advice and not even think about all this stuff, but on Christmas day it had to rear its ugly head yet again.
So Iām talking to my 16 year old cousin and he asks me where I go to college. I reply with something like āI go to Charlotte-- UNC Charlotte.ā There seemed to be some confusion. I canāt remember quite how he asked what I meant, but I know I replied with, āItās the University of North Carolina at Charlotte.ā And there, yet again, was that same baffled look like the one I got from the guy at Auto Bell. Then I remember he asked exactly this, āSo is that like UNC Chapel Hill?ā At that point I went through the whole schpiel about how we are not the same school as Chapel Hill, but a branch, just like them, within a system of schools. At that point he got it but obviously I was already a little perturbed.
He is from SC, the Charleston area I believe, but I really donāt think thatās so far that he shouldnāt even know of our exsistence. His mom was in the room too and I began talking to her about how this is a major problem and she totally understood. Luckily she is a big basketball person and knows about us. Lord knows what further confusion may have had arisen had she not been a bball person.
OOH, OOH! Iāve got a story!
On our own message board, the UNCC chancellor was compared unfavorably to the president of UMBC - a school I never even heard of until today.
[URL=http://www.ninernation.net/forum/showthread.php?p=207881#post207881]http://www.ninernation.net/forum/showthread.php?p=207881#post207881[/URL]
I tried searching their messageboard to see how the UMBC alumni felt toward their schoolās identity, about being part of a āsystemā, and about traditional notions of academic autonomy. No luck so far:
[URL=http://www.intervarsityumbc.org/board/viewforum.php?f=1&sid=5f8838b34401fb74db6be923f43f8f72]http://www.intervarsityumbc.org/board/viewforum.php?f=1&sid=5f8838b34401fb74db6be923f43f8f72[/URL]
Conclusion: To anyone living east of the Rocky Mountains, an āabbreviationā school like UNCC conjures up the image of a small-time school.
On Topic - I was out of state last week and I saw the schoolās name for the Wofford score listed in the local newspaper as āNC Char.ā I thought āEnceechar U.ā died a deserved death after ESPNās bottom line and others started calling the school āCharlotteā at Judy Roseās request. I was really, really disappointed to see that itās still occuring.