i am investing in bubbles for kids of the future.
We can avoid football, bicycles, scooters, hunting, trampolines, skateboards, parkour and even cars. We could even avoid human interaction completely during flu season.
[quote=“Charlotte2002, post:38, topic:27424”][quote=“casstommy, post:36, topic:27424”]In an interview that aired before Super Bowl 20, Reagan was asked and had the nerve to give his opinion on the game. Unemployment was still over 7.4 %, Reagan was still blaming gays for AIDS, and was smack in the middle of selling Iranian arms to the contras. There was widespread outcry over his decision to answer a question about sports before every domestic and foreign issue had been resolved.
Oh, wait, that’s right. No one gave a s*** if Reagan talked about football. Oh well, times change. Shut yer trap obummer.[/quote]
Yeah but Reagan was trying to save America, not destroy it…[/quote]
QFT
Is this how people reacted when they found out smoking was bad for your lungs?
[quote=“Niner National, post:26, topic:27424”]I ask this question to the members of the board:
Would YOU let your kids play football?
I wouldn’t. I love the game of football, but there is simply too much risk of long term health consequences for letting your child play football, especially if they are playing QB, LB, or RB.[/quote]
Well you’re like 5’6" 135 lbs, so you would get destroyed so…
I’d let my kid start playing tackle at the JV level if he so desired. Up until that, there are a number of youth flag football leagues that he’s welcome to partake in.
[quote=“ninerID, post:41, topic:27424”]i am investing in bubbles for kids of the future.
We can avoid football, bicycles, scooters, hunting, trampolines, skateboards, parkour and even cars. We could even avoid human interaction completely during flu season.[/quote]
Seriously, some of you guys sound like pussies. I played tackle football in the street sometimes growing up as a kid, jumped from 20’ out of trees, and other crazy retarded shit just like any other kid growing up. The game is highly regulated and controlled. It’s a gamble like any other sport. You can blow out your ACL/MCL in soccer getting slide tackled incorrectly, you can get a concussion in basketball from some jackass throwing a 1-2 combo as you lay on the ground, you can drown if you bang your head on the side wall of a pool while doing a relay, shoulder surgery from too many reps pitching in baseball, and so on.
When you played tackle football in the street you probably weren’t covered in pads and a helmet that turns you into a battering ram. On every tackle, there’s a good chance there’s going to be impact to your head. Linemen’s helmets hit on every down, and the impacts add up.
I’m fine with my future kids breaking arms, blowing out knees, falling out of trees, etc., because unlike head trauma, they don’t limit cognitive ability. Almost everything you listed are freak accidents and rare occurences, football’s issues aren’t the freak accidents, it’s the norm.
[quote=“919R, post:15, topic:27424”][quote=“Nugget, post:14, topic:27424”][quote=“The White Samurai, post:10, topic:27424”][quote=“Chisox17, post:9, topic:27424”]Dude he was asked about it in an interview, he didn’t go out of his way to hold a press conference or something. Calm down.
What was he supposed to say? “Oh I’m sorry, I’ll have to plead the fifth, since that question is not about jobs or the economy.”[/quote]
Shouldn’t nugget’s outrage be directed at the person that asked the question to the President in the first place?[/quote]Well now I have drawn you into talking politics in the football forum. Perhaps a mod can move this? I can’t see the politics forum so I will be done.
Hardly outrage, but no, I do not begrudge any reporter asking any questions they want to. First Amendment. But if these are the top domestic items of focus then there is much work to be done and I would appreciate a little focus. Stay off Letterman, stay off The View, and quit talking about football with bloggers.[/quote]
This![/quote]
Not this- he’s the Pres whether you like it or not and can basically do whatever the F he likes. Especially since he’s in his 2nd term and is through running for elected office.
Was asked a question and answered, wow- what a sorry human being. LOL at some of you guys and not in a positive way.
[quote=“CharSFNiners, post:43, topic:27424”][quote=“Niner National, post:26, topic:27424”]I ask this question to the members of the board:
Would YOU let your kids play football?
I wouldn’t. I love the game of football, but there is simply too much risk of long term health consequences for letting your child play football, especially if they are playing QB, LB, or RB.[/quote]
Well you’re like 5’6" 135 lbs, so you would get destroyed so…
I’d let my kid start playing tackle at the JV level if he so desired. Up until that, there are a number of youth flag football leagues that he’s welcome to partake in.
[quote=“ninerID, post:41, topic:27424”]i am investing in bubbles for kids of the future.
We can avoid football, bicycles, scooters, hunting, trampolines, skateboards, parkour and even cars. We could even avoid human interaction completely during flu season.[/quote]
Seriously, some of you guys sound like pussies. I played tackle football in the street sometimes growing up as a kid, jumped from 20’ out of trees, and other crazy retarded s*** just like any other kid growing up. The game is highly regulated and controlled. It’s a gamble like any other sport. You can blow out your ACL/MCL in soccer getting slide tackled incorrectly, you can get a concussion in basketball from some jackass throwing a 1-2 combo as you lay on the ground, you can drown if you bang your head on the side wall of a pool while doing a relay, shoulder surgery from too many reps pitching in baseball, and so on.[/quote] I did the same thing, and probably sustained a hit or two to the head (mostly lots of bruises). But I didn’t do it every day, nor did I hit the kids with the force that even high school players are hitting with.
You illustrate the issue, and why the bubble is a different question. As part of the normal course of modern football, a player will absorb enough hits to affect his brain. How bad that affect is may vary among players, but there’s no question that at some point you will sustain brain damage of some kind that will affect you later in life, if you play long enough.
So it’s not like your kid banging their head on the side of the pool, accidents happen infrequently and are worth the risk sometimes. It’s standing there watching your kid bang their head on the side of the pool repeatedly, and not trying to stop it or teach them not to do it. It’s where you want to draw the line in terms of risk and safety. Maybe that kid banging their head against the wall every day for 20 years won’t give them debilitating brain damage, but it’s pretty likely.
Here’s a different question for you: Where do you draw the line in allowing kids to do things that could hurt them long term? Do you let your kids play with loaded handguns? Do you let them play in busy streets? Do you let them try heroin?
"You read [b]some of these stories[/b] about college players who undergo [b]some of these same problems[/b] with concussions [b]and so forth[/b] and then have nothing to fall back on," he said. "[b]That's something[/b] that I'd like to see the NCAA think about."
That is some thorough insight. As usual, offers nothing tangible.
When my son was 6 he asked to play tackle football and I said no. We found a great flag football league and he loved it. It doubled in size this year and I expect the same for next year. Currently my plan is to wait until he is at least 10 to play tackle. May wait longer.
Do you let them try heroin?
Not until at least 12 on this one.
OBAMA WANTS TO TAKE OUR FOOTBALLS!!!
THANKS A LOT OBAMA
I’m old. I remember a bunch of Presidents. I don’t remember a single one of either party except maybe Ford, who a significant number of people did not truly regard as vile and loathsome at the time said President was in office. You people posting political nonsense are pissing into the wind .
I played street football when I was young. I suffered a significant injury which kept me in bed for about a month. (not a head injury). I’d not want that for my child, of course, but I would have missed a Hell of a lot of fun if I hadn’t played. Life has risks. As in all things, we have to balance risk and reward when deciding what we allow our children to do.
Just maybe that was what Obama was trying to say when he said he would have to “think about” letting his son play football. I didn’t read the interview. Did he say he was going to prohibit YOUR child from playing? If so, we need to hire a lot of people to supervise the playgrounds.
I did the same thing, and probably sustained a hit or two to the head (mostly lots of bruises). But I didn’t do it every day, nor did I hit the kids with the force that even high school players are hitting with.
You illustrate the issue, and why the bubble is a different question. As part of the normal course of modern football, a player will absorb enough hits to affect his brain. How bad that affect is may vary among players, but there’s no question that at some point you will sustain brain damage of some kind that will affect you later in life, if you play long enough.
So it’s not like your kid banging their head on the side of the pool, accidents happen infrequently and are worth the risk sometimes. It’s standing there watching your kid bang their head on the side of the pool repeatedly, and not trying to stop it or teach them not to do it. It’s where you want to draw the line in terms of risk and safety. Maybe that kid banging their head against the wall every day for 20 years won’t give them debilitating brain damage, but it’s pretty likely.
Here’s a different question for you: Where do you draw the line in allowing kids to do things that could hurt them long term? Do you let your kids play with loaded handguns? Do you let them play in busy streets? Do you let them try heroin?[/quote]
Are you seriously equating football to playing with a loaded weapon, playing in traffic against 2 ton vehicles, or to trying a debilitating drug known to kill in one use. All 3 you labeled can kill you in one fell swoop. Nobody has died from one hit in football. So cut the hyperbole. Are you going to protect your kid from everything? Then keep them in a bubble, never let them experience anything. Football is a risk, just like anything else.
I risk my life everyday I step foot out of my bed. Hell, come to think of it, my roof could collapse on my head while I sleep. You cannot protect them from everything, you never will be able to.
When you played tackle football in the street you probably weren’t covered in pads and a helmet that turns you into a battering ram. On every tackle, there’s a good chance there’s going to be impact to your head. Linemen’s helmets hit on every down, and the impacts add up.
I’m fine with my future kids breaking arms, blowing out knees, falling out of trees, etc., because unlike head trauma, they don’t limit cognitive ability. Almost everything you listed are freak accidents and rare occurences, football’s issues aren’t the freak accidents, it’s the norm.[/quote]
They don’t bang heads every down, and even when they do there is deflection due to the design of helmets. Would you let your kid box (much more direct blows to the head and body), do MMA? Wrestle even? Every moment of those sports is dependent on direct physical contact to subdue the other guy.
You ran a marathon just like me, and you think of doing another. My doctor, and many others will say the human body is not meant to endure the 26.2 miles you run, but you did it at the risk of bone fractures, knee, and hip problems. Would you let your kid do that? You might say “well that’s not effecting the brain,” but it could if he/she doesn’t properly hydrate, but you’d take that risk?
We already regulate kids. Our generation didn’t wear helmets to ride a bike, now they do. Our generation didn’t have a damn baby seat until 8, now they do. Where does the babying of kids stop?
One of my best friends on Earth killed himself 4 yrs ago in November. He suffered a TBI 2 years earlier and just could never come back from it. It changed who he was. Now, the TBI wasnt related to football but i’ve been able to see the first hand effects that having your brain destroyed can do. Its very serious s***.
I can remember jumping ditches on my Huffy when i was a kid like i was some daredevil. No helmet or anything. I turned out fine. When we took my daughters training wheels off last summer my wife was insistent on her wearing a helmet. I thought she was being overprotective. I did so much dumb s*** when i was young and i was fine. Let kids be kids. She wouldnt relent. She’s a pediatric nurse so she had me come up to her floor one afternoon to see 3 different kids that were inpatient with some form of TBI from a bike injury. Totally life altering injuries because they weren’t wearing a helmet. Its apparently an amazingly common injury. She wears a helmet now. I’
I would have to think long and hard before i let my 10-12 yr old go out and ram his head into the body of another kid time after time. I just think there would be other avenues for him to enjoy what sports have to offer without the high risk of football.
[quote=“stonecoldken, post:51, topic:27424”]We already regulate kids. Our generation didn’t wear helmets to ride a bike, now they do. Our generation didn’t have a damn baby seat until 8, now they do. Where does the babying of kids stop?[/quote] Well, my generation didn’t need those silly little seatbeats in cars, either. We just slammed our heads into our steel dashboards (no pussyfied padding for us) as God intended. A few folks dying is a small price to pay for our freedom, right?
[quote=“CharSFNiners, post:50, topic:27424”]They don’t bang heads every down, and even when they do there is deflection due to the design of helmets. Would you let your kid box (much more direct blows to the head and body), do MMA? Wrestle even? Every moment of those sports is dependent on direct physical contact to subdue the other guy.
You ran a marathon just like me, and you think of doing another. My doctor, and many others will say the human body is not meant to endure the 26.2 miles you run, but you did it at the risk of bone fractures, knee, and hip problems. Would you let your kid do that? You might say “well that’s not effecting the brain,” but it could if he/she doesn’t properly hydrate, but you’d take that risk?[/quote]
Heads are taking an impact on almost every tackle, it may not be helmet to helmet or one that causes damage, but it’s every tackle. And as I’ve said before, linemen hit heads on almost every down, especially at the goal line or any close yard situation.
And some doctors will say running is part of what our human body is intended to do, but even then it’s a risk I’m taking. But I’m not going to commit suicide at 50 because my knees are messed up. That type of pain can be mitigated, treated, avoided, etc. I can quit running, spend more time walking, whatever. Permanant brain damage is something you can’t walk away from or mitigate with new hobbies.
If my child is going to take up running, he/she can avoid brain problems by staying properly hydrated, that’s easy. They aren’t running down the field running into other people.
I won’t mind if my kids get hurt, twist ankles, go to the ER for broken bones; all things we probably went through growing up. But I don’t want my child to play a sport that carries such a high risk of brain trauma. That’s an entirely different scale than a torn ACL from a slide tackle.
And my kid will definitely not be boxing or doing MMA. If he/she chooses to as an adult, that’s his prerogative. I likely will not approve, but it’s not my choice to make.
Add avoiding logical fallacies to the list. Make it first priority though. K thanks.
[quote=“CharSFNiners, post:50, topic:27424”]Are you seriously equating football to playing with a loaded weapon, playing in traffic against 2 ton vehicles, or to trying a debilitating drug known to kill in one use. All 3 you labeled can kill you in one fell swoop. Nobody has died from one hit in football. So cut the hyperbole. Are you going to protect your kid from everything? Then keep them in a bubble, never let them experience anything. Football is a risk, just like anything else.
I risk my life everyday I step foot out of my bed. Hell, come to think of it, my roof could collapse on my head while I sleep. You cannot protect them from everything, you never will be able to.[/quote] Plenty of people have a) played with a handgun, b) played in busy streets, and c) taken heroin and not died. In fact, lots of people got shot, hit by a car, or got addicted to heroin and still survived and lived long happy lives afterward. Plenty of people have also played football and gotten brain damage.
The research is starting to suggest it’s not hyperbole. If you react that way to those three things I mentioned, then you should react similarly to your kid playing football over the longterm. I’m not talking about one game, I’m talking about playing football for years. It’s not keeping your kid in a bubble to think their playing football for 10 years or more is a bad idea.
I also think you missed my point about injuries that are unlikely to happen (roof collapse) and those that are likely to happen (brain damage from repeated brain bruises over many years). I will try to protect my kids from likely damage and let them experience things that have a much lower risk of injury. I’m sure they will do some dangerous stuff anyway, but I’m not going to encourage it.
[quote=“CharSFNiners, post:43, topic:27424”][quote=“Niner National, post:26, topic:27424”]I ask this question to the members of the board:
Would YOU let your kids play football?
I wouldn’t. I love the game of football, but there is simply too much risk of long term health consequences for letting your child play football, especially if they are playing QB, LB, or RB.[/quote]
Well you’re like 5’6" 135 lbs, so you would get destroyed so…
I’d let my kid start playing tackle at the JV level if he so desired. Up until that, there are a number of youth flag football leagues that he’s welcome to partake in.[/quote]
Lol. I was thinking the same thing. Asking a bunch of guys, who didn’t play football, if they’d let their kids play football. I think we already know the answer.
[quote=“9erken, post:56, topic:27424”]The research is starting to suggest it’s not hyperbole. If you react that way to those three things I mentioned, then you should react similarly to your kid playing football over the longterm. I’m not talking about one game, I’m talking about playing football for years. It’s not keeping your kid in a bubble to think their playing football for 10 years or more is a bad idea.
I also think you missed my point about injuries that are unlikely to happen (roof collapse) and those that are likely to happen (brain damage from repeated brain bruises over many years). I will try to protect my kids from likely damage and let them experience things that have a much lower risk of injury. I’m sure they will do some dangerous stuff anyway, but I’m not going to encourage it.[/quote]
The problem is, if you ask the people who competitively played football if they would do it again, 99% of them will say yes. The hyperbole comes from the 1% who wouldn’t play again. Or worse, from those who never even played.
Damn straight! People need to take personal responsibility for their own safety and health. If somone is too stupid to protect their own family then its just culling the weak from the herd. Its not the government’s job to hold our hands through life.
Obama and Holder have done everything they could to help trial lawyers, who in turn give their party lots of money.