I got my invoice from the Observer last week, and told my wife not to pay itâŚ
I don't think anyone in the media has followed this closer than I have.
Great. But you donât write for the editorial page. Which is what Iâm talking about.
This is not just about sports. Itâs not enough that your sports writers approve of it. Thatâs great for the sports fan. But a football team at Charlotte is about more than sports. Itâs about the Charlotte community as whole. Itâs about developing an identity for a university that to this day is struggling for one. You donât argue those points just on a sports page.
[QUOTE=metro;341980]I got my invoice from the Observer last week, and told my wife not to pay itâŚ[/QUOTE]
Just keep reading charlotteobserver.com, metro. Wave of the future.
Just keep reading charlotteobserver.com, metro. Wave of the future.
So when you going to start charging for it?
[QUOTE=MKNiner;341990]So when you going to start charging for it?[/QUOTE]
I think that ship has sailed. Better off drawing the huge traffic numbers needed to make advertising work on the web. Not there yet. Thatâs why there are struggles in the newspaper business.
McClatchy still makes money, just not as much as it used to. And the debt from buying Knight Ridder isnât helping. The cuts you see are so that the company can pay the debt service.
I think that ship has sailed. Better off drawing the huge traffic numbers needed to make advertising work on the web. Not there yet. That's why there are struggles in the newspaper business.
At what point does printing the paper become obsolete? Do you think there will come a time where youâll halt printing all together and give everything exclusively online?
[QUOTE=MKNiner;342002]At what point does printing the paper become obsolete? Do you think there will come a time where youâll halt printing all together and give everything exclusively online?[/QUOTE]
Good question. I think there will come a time when the print product changes drastically. I have some ideas what that should look like, but many of them are contrary to the look-out-for-the-little-guy mission of the paper.
If I had all the answers, though, weâd be sailing, and Iâd be rich.
Right now, the printed paper is still the biggest money maker. I want the day when the web is the biggest moneymaker to be tomorrow, but it wonât come that fast. The transition will be difficult and painful. Already is.
There should be no glee from the public about newspapersâ troubles. A strong, free press is a cornerstone of democracy. We are your eyes in places government and business would rather keep hidden. We shine the light. If the light goes out, God help us all.
Good question. I think there will come a time when the print product changes drastically. I have some ideas what that should look like, but many of them are contrary to the look-out-for-the-little-guy mission of the paper.
I see your point. Obviously everyone doesnât have a computer, but the people that donât are decreasing by the hour it seems.
If I had all the answers, though, we'd be sailing, and I'd be rich.
And then youâd have no time for us. 
Right now, the printed paper is still the biggest money maker. I want the day when the web is the biggest moneymaker to be tomorrow, but it won't come that fast. The transition will be difficult and painful. Already is.There should be no glee from the public about newspapersâ troubles. A strong, free press is a cornerstone of democracy. We are your eyes in places government and business would rather keep hidden. We shine the light. If the light goes out, God help us all.
I for one believe in a free press and would never want to see it go away. Then what could I complain about?
Maybe I totally missed this, but wasnât Chisoxâ dad supposed to be covering the rally for the O? Where is that article? Has it been put out yet?
[QUOTE=MKNiner;342002]At what point does printing the paper become obsolete? Do you think there will come a time where youâll halt printing all together and give everything exclusively online?[/QUOTE]
The Sporting News, in my opinion, does a great job at this.
Donât if youâve seen this:
http://www.coverleaf.com/sportingnewstoday#library
I get an email around 7am-715am, seven days a week and it has anywhere from 15-40 pages of sports coverage. Boxscores, stats, stories, etc⌠A lot is what used to be in the weekly Sporting News Magazine. I expect at some point there will be a cost, but for now its still FREE.
For me, it has totally eliminated the need to read sports on charlotte.com, espn.com or any other .com site (except for Utterâs blog).
The Sporting News Magazine has gone to every other week and provides more in-depth âSIâ type of stories.
[QUOTE=Mike_Persinger;342004]Good question. I think there will come a time when the print product changes drastically. I have some ideas what that should look like, but many of them are contrary to the look-out-for-the-little-guy mission of the paper.
If I had all the answers, though, weâd be sailing, and Iâd be rich.
Right now, the printed paper is still the biggest money maker. I want the day when the web is the biggest moneymaker to be tomorrow, but it wonât come that fast. The transition will be difficult and painful. Already is.
There should be no glee from the public about newspapersâ troubles. A strong, free press is a cornerstone of democracy. We are your eyes in places government and business would rather keep hidden. [B]We shine the light[/B]. If the light goes out, God help us all.[/QUOTE]
Only problem is⌠seems like the editorial page is shining that light through a filter. And that filter is not made of green cellophane.
[QUOTE=SilvioDante;342008]The Sporting News, in my opinion, does a great job at this.
Donât if youâve seen this:
http://www.coverleaf.com/sportingnewstoday#library
I get an email around 7am-715am, seven days a week and it has anywhere from 15-40 pages of sports coverage. Boxscores, stats, stories, etc⌠A lot is what used to be in the weekly Sporting News Magazine. I expect at some point there will be a cost, but for now its still FREE.
For me, it has totally eliminated the need to read sports on charlotte.com, espn.com or any other .com site (except for Utterâs blog).
The Sporting News Magazine has gone to every other week and provides more in-depth âSIâ type of stories.[/QUOTE]
Iâve seen it. They wonât do the Niners like we do. Donât do the ACC like we do. Donât do the Panthers like we do. Donât do NASCAR like we do. Wonât ever do preps. Our place in the market, increasingly, is becoming the region, with national news being diminished. There will probably come a day when McClatchy, or whatever is the equivalent, does something like what you see from sporting news and supplements it with local content in each market. Might be a free web product, or a pay web product. Hard to predict at this point, though.
You might see a printed paper thatâs much like the every-other-week Sporting News, mostly great stories. No box scores. Little game coverage. All that kind of stuff will be on the web.
Maybe I totally missed this, but wasn't Chisox' dad supposed to be covering the rally for the O? Where is that article? Has it been put out yet?
Itâs in the O today. And all those quotes in Jim Utterâs last gmine entry are quotes that my dad got.
[QUOTE=Chisox17;342017]Itâs in the O today. And all those quotes in Jim Utterâs last gmine entry are quotes that my dad got.[/QUOTE]
It was also online and linked here at 9 p.m. last night. Slideshow not long after.
[QUOTE=Mike_Persinger;342014]
They wonât do the Niners like we do. [/QUOTE]
Hence why I mentioned Utterâs blog.
Also, it must be noted, they did keep up with the entire Davidson/Charlotte scheduling fiasco.
[QUOTE]Donât do the ACC like we do.[/QUOTE]
and that matters to me, how? 
With football starting, they have included regular updates on the major conferences. Is it enough? You will have to ask a fan of one of those conferences or teams.
[QUOTE]Donât do the Panthers like we do.[/QUOTE]
Donât take this the wrong way, because I am a Panthers fan, but FWIW, I think your Panthers is way over the top. Back when I subscribed to the O, I couldnât afford the time to read everything you printed.
[QUOTE]Donât do NASCAR like we do. [/QUOTE]
Guess, its kind of subjective, but I might argue this point. Sure when the race in Concord, your coverage will be better. But on a regular basis, I get enough from this format.
[QUOTE]Wonât ever do preps.[/QUOTE]
Will they cover prep games? Seriously doubt it. But as football season has started, I have noticed more recruiting info. Gives me every reason to expect the same for hoops.
[QUOTE] Our place in the market, increasingly, is becoming the region, with national news being diminished. There will probably come a day when McClatchy, or whatever is the equivalent, does something like what you see from sporting news and supplements it with local content in each market. Might be a free web product, or a pay web product. Hard to predict at this point, though.
You might see a printed paper thatâs much like the every-other-week Sporting News, mostly great stories. No box scores. Little game coverage. All that kind of stuff will be on the web.[/QUOTE]
You will always have a place in this market, but I see it, at this point, looking like this product and filling in with what this kind of product lets fall though the cracks.
[QUOTE=Mike_Persinger;342014]Donât do the ACC like we do. Donât do the Panthers like we do.[/QUOTE]No one does the ACC like you do. No one does UNC like you do. The football coverage from last night was good. It should have been. Thanks for writing about us. We all appreciate it.
It's in the O today. And all those quotes in Jim Utter's last gmine entry are quotes that my dad got.
It was also online and linked here at 9 p.m. last night. Slideshow not long after.
Ok, thanks, Iâll find it. I must have missed it.
I certainly hope not but the editorial staff seems to have made crushing any attempt at football their personal vendetta. I wonder once again where all this angst is coming from. Is it UNC, WF, etc snobbery or are they just a sour belligerent bunch? Iâm also surprised how uninformed, one-sided and generally nonsensical their articles are, isnât it their job to write?
Ok, thanks, I'll find it. I must have missed it.
Mike why canât anyone find anything on your website, shouldnât it be on this pageâŚ
[QUOTE=EE9er;342081]Mike why canât anyone find anything on your website, shouldnât it be on this pageâŚ
[URL]http://www.charlotteobserver.com/210/[/URL][/QUOTE]
I had to search the site (using the search feature) to find it. I couldnât find it anywhere on the pages.