Really surprised there is no commentary here. Nobody wants to discuss? Not even NA complaining? What’s happened to this place?
NA must be on vacation.
Spoilers:
- Rhaegar Targaryen + Lyanna Stark = Jon Snow is confirmed.
- Arya has some faces to use and plans to use them. Just ask Walder Frey…woops, he dead.
- Tommen not good under pressure, goes sky diving without a parachute.
- Cersei kills everybody with wildfire.
- Lady Ollenna teams up with Dorne to support Dany.
- Dany is on the BOAT, repeat, she is finally on THE BOAT!
- Ten year old Lyanna Mormont is a straight THUG! She will call you out faster than the Queen of Thorns.
- Sansa not too happy Jon is now King in the North.
- Littlefinger is still super creepy.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/eye-opening-detail-last-night-191444928.html
Pretty freakin cool
Some people are making a big deal of the selective muting of Lyanna’s voice in the tower of joy scene. She clearly says “his name is…” and then it goes muffled, then it comes back to “Robert will kill him…you know he will.” Internet pundits are speculating (including Jason Concepcion of the Ringer) that the showrunners did this to leave open some of the mystery as to the “R” part of the equation. I’m not so sure I buy that. There wasn’t enough time muted for Lyanna to fully explain the parentage if it wasn’t Rhaegar. I’m quite sure Ned already knew that Rhaegar put her in the tower. In that case, I think she just simply told Ned that Jon’s name was something “not Jon” but Targaryen, which Ned then changed to “Jon Snow” so as to not tip anyone off (obviously, he couldn’t go back to the north with a Targ-named bastard). I think she says something Targ-y and that’s when it all clicks for Ned that this is Rhaegar’s baby.
Thoughts from the Maesters?
[quote=“jfickett, post:624, topic:25259”]Some people are making a big deal of the selective muting of Lyanna’s voice in the tower of joy scene. She clearly says “his name is…” and then it goes muffled, then it comes back to “Robert will kill him…you know he will.” Internet pundits are speculating (including Jason Concepcion of the Ringer) that the showrunners did this to leave open some of the mystery as to the “R” part of the equation. I’m not so sure I buy that. There wasn’t enough time muted for Lyanna to fully explain the parentage if it wasn’t Rhaegar. I’m quite sure Ned already knew that Rhaegar put her in the tower. In that case, I think she just simply told Ned that Jon’s name was something “not Jon” but Targaryen, which Ned then changed to “Jon Snow” so as to not tip anyone off (obviously, he couldn’t go back to the north with a Targ-named bastard). I think she says something Targ-y and that’s when it all clicks for Ned that this is Rhaegar’s baby.
Thoughts from the Maesters?[/quote]
Plausible, or she was telling Ned the father’s name. They always said Ned chose Jon for his mentor Jon Arynn, but seems that would be awkward to name your bastard after someone you admire. Either way, they’ll still be room for some revelations for Jon and Co.
[quote=“jfickett, post:624, topic:25259”]Some people are making a big deal of the selective muting of Lyanna’s voice in the tower of joy scene. She clearly says “his name is…” and then it goes muffled, then it comes back to “Robert will kill him…you know he will.” Internet pundits are speculating (including Jason Concepcion of the Ringer) that the showrunners did this to leave open some of the mystery as to the “R” part of the equation. I’m not so sure I buy that. There wasn’t enough time muted for Lyanna to fully explain the parentage if it wasn’t Rhaegar. I’m quite sure Ned already knew that Rhaegar put her in the tower. In that case, I think she just simply told Ned that Jon’s name was something “not Jon” but Targaryen, which Ned then changed to “Jon Snow” so as to not tip anyone off (obviously, he couldn’t go back to the north with a Targ-named bastard). I think she says something Targ-y and that’s when it all clicks for Ned that this is Rhaegar’s baby.
Thoughts from the Maesters?[/quote]
Good to know I wasn’t the only person who couldn’t hear it. I rewound a couple times and still couldn’t hear it.
But then browsing the interwebs the next day, it seemed everyone else was confident of what she said.
I need help with a plot. When Margery’s grandmother visited her, to try to convince her to not fall for the religious fanatics, Margery tells her to leave.
But Margery also hands her a note with the House Tyrell seal. I implied that to mean that Margery was not truly converted, was still committed to house Tyrell and she had a plan. If that assumption is true, we never saw anything in regards to her plan.
[quote=“Normmm, post:627, topic:25259”]I need help with a plot. When Margery’s grandmother visited her, to try to convince her to not fall for the religious fanatics, Margery tells her to leave.
But Margery also hands her a note with the House Tyrell seal. I implied that to mean that Margery was not truly converted, was still committed to house Tyrell and she had a plan. If that assumption is true, we never saw anything in regards to her plan.[/quote]
I think Margery wanted to get her grandmother out of town to protect her from the High Sparrow coming after her (since she and Littlefinger worked together to kill Joffrey). Margery was as surprised as everyone else when it was Cersei that dropped the hammer instead.
[quote=“Normmm, post:626, topic:25259”][quote=“jfickett, post:624, topic:25259”]Some people are making a big deal of the selective muting of Lyanna’s voice in the tower of joy scene. She clearly says “his name is…” and then it goes muffled, then it comes back to “Robert will kill him…you know he will.” Internet pundits are speculating (including Jason Concepcion of the Ringer) that the showrunners did this to leave open some of the mystery as to the “R” part of the equation. I’m not so sure I buy that. There wasn’t enough time muted for Lyanna to fully explain the parentage if it wasn’t Rhaegar. I’m quite sure Ned already knew that Rhaegar put her in the tower. In that case, I think she just simply told Ned that Jon’s name was something “not Jon” but Targaryen, which Ned then changed to “Jon Snow” so as to not tip anyone off (obviously, he couldn’t go back to the north with a Targ-named bastard). I think she says something Targ-y and that’s when it all clicks for Ned that this is Rhaegar’s baby.
Thoughts from the Maesters?[/quote]
Good to know I wasn’t the only person who couldn’t hear it. I rewound a couple times and still couldn’t hear it.
But then browsing the interwebs the next day, it seemed everyone else was confident of what she said.[/quote]
I don’t think the average non book reading viewer knows who Rhaeger is. He’s mentioned a few times but their story isn’t dwelled on. The book readers and Internet speculators know all this but the people I watched with had no clue.
I think this will be explained next season.
[quote=“Tintin, post:630, topic:25259”][quote=“Normmm, post:626, topic:25259”][quote=“jfickett, post:624, topic:25259”]Some people are making a big deal of the selective muting of Lyanna’s voice in the tower of joy scene. She clearly says “his name is…” and then it goes muffled, then it comes back to “Robert will kill him…you know he will.” Internet pundits are speculating (including Jason Concepcion of the Ringer) that the showrunners did this to leave open some of the mystery as to the “R” part of the equation. I’m not so sure I buy that. There wasn’t enough time muted for Lyanna to fully explain the parentage if it wasn’t Rhaegar. I’m quite sure Ned already knew that Rhaegar put her in the tower. In that case, I think she just simply told Ned that Jon’s name was something “not Jon” but Targaryen, which Ned then changed to “Jon Snow” so as to not tip anyone off (obviously, he couldn’t go back to the north with a Targ-named bastard). I think she says something Targ-y and that’s when it all clicks for Ned that this is Rhaegar’s baby.
Thoughts from the Maesters?[/quote]
Good to know I wasn’t the only person who couldn’t hear it. I rewound a couple times and still couldn’t hear it.
But then browsing the interwebs the next day, it seemed everyone else was confident of what she said.[/quote]
I don’t think the average non book reading viewer knows who Rhaeger is. He’s mentioned a few times but their story isn’t dwelled on. The book readers and Internet speculators know all this but the people I watched with had no clue.
I think this will be explained next season.[/quote]
I don’t doubt that some non-book readers (maybe many) are struggling with the significance of R+L=J. However, I would argue that Rhaegar is more than just “mentioned a few times.” There are plenty of little bits and pieces throughout the show, all of which involve dialogue, which makes it harder to pick up on. Several scenes come to mind with Robert and Ned, Sansa and Littlefinger, Jaime and Brienne, Dany & Varys (IIRC) where the significance is pieced together.
Watch NA’s video. Good stuff.
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Dany should land in Oldtown. Second largest city in Westeros and home to the Tyrells. The Reach has the highest population of any of the Seven Kingdoms as well and most of the food, so she’ll build support quickly as she moves up the Mander toward King’s Landing. She can meet the Dornish forces just south of King’s Landing, plus the Stormland forces are gutted and apparently leaderless, so there’s no threat of a flank attack from the east, or a pincer move in conjunction with Lannister forces from the west.
[quote=“NinerAdvocate, post:633, topic:25259”]http://www.theverge.com/2016/6/28/12047644/game-of-thrones-maps-season-six-travel-plot-holes-time-warps[/quote] Most of the time issues can be resolved by assuming stories are not all happening at the same time even if they are in the same episode. E.g. it’s very easy to assume that Arya makes it to the twins to kill Freys if you also assume that what happened to her in Braavos was occurring further back in time than the stories around it. It also helps to not assume episodes have the same amount of time passing within and between them.
The ones that are troublesome are where different storylines connect and the timing doesn’t match up. E.g. when Yara and Theon sail to Volantis, seemingly very quickly. The Greyjoy timeline is constrained by the arrival of Theon after escaping from Ramsey, though there’s probably a few weeks of wiggle room before it starts depending on how long it takes Theon to get to the Iron Islands. I think the show’s producers just assume that sailing ships are pretty fast compared to overland travel (which is true, but maybe not that much faster?). If we remember that these land masses are essentially conceived of as Great Britain/Ireland etc. in size, then maybe a trip of that length takes a couple weeks? So probably not as outrageous as you might think at first particularly if these are faster ships. Or maybe the Dany storyline is actually quite a bit further behind what’s happening on Westeros than we might think just based on perception within episodes.
Westeros is roughly the size of South America. Try using the Wall as scale.
[quote=“NinerAdvocate, post:637, topic:25259”]Westeros is roughly the size of South America. Try using the Wall as scale.[/quote] Well that would be a little different then. That’s a trip that probably cannot be reconciled with anything but an irrregular timeline then (it’d definitely take over a month to sail that long of a trip). The only way to deal with that is if the Dany timeline is behind the events in the north by a fair amount.
Just to add, upon seeing that opening sequence again, it really is cinematic quality. Amazing visuals, the music was a great fit, and the acting was very good. Other parts of the episode were also strong (even the bizarre arrival of Sam at the library), making me think this might have been the best episode of the series so far. Not quite as surprising or shocking as others, but better executed in my view.
The Dany timeline is certainly odd. But it cant technically be “behind” the events of Westeros. Remember, Varys went to Dorne to aid the alliance between Highgarden and Dorne immediately after the Sept of Baelor was destroyed because Olenna Tyrell was talking about avenging the loss of her family right as Varys walks in. I think the very last scene in which we see Dany sailing is a flash forward of several months. If we assume that at least some time had passed between Tommen’s death and Cersei’s coronation, which is fair because it took at least a week or more for Jaime to arrive in Kings Landing from the Riverlands, then that gives Varys a little time to get from Mereen to Dorne and then back to Mereen. Then we have a few months of final preparations before the ships actually set sail. Its not perfect and I dont think I explained it very well but that’s how I reconciled it.