I knew some students who "dropped out" because they thought Charlotte would be a cakewalk and ended up not being able to handle the course load. This was a very low number though.
I can tell you about five of those kind of people from the group I rolled with freshman year in Moore that ran into those problems.
-I never rolled into trouble myself (grade-wise, actually been on the Dean’s List a couple of times,) but that is statistic I don’t like hearing.
And how do you determine that?One of my suitemates freshman year was Salutatorian at his high school. After 2 semesters of videogames and sleeping through class, last I heard he was working at a Walmart in Lincolnton.
Where on the application does it determine whether or not you’ll succeed?
hahahahahahaha
I talked to that m’fer about 2 months ago.
Total waste of potential.
[QUOTE=Powerbait;414707]Yeah, but it has a much higher graduation rate. If you get in, you’re going to graduate.[/QUOTE]
That’s what I was getting at. Is their rate of graduation higher than other schools because they recruit smarter kids or because those smarter kids fair better with the curricilum not all that much different?
[QUOTE=ninerfan55;414708]i would say that you want kids to graduate because it means that the students that are being admitted are college level students. if no one is graduating then it means that we are letting in kids who shouldnt be in college.[/QUOTE]
Not necessarily. I’ve seen many kids that could handle the academic part, but they were not responsible enough to handle the new freedom that they had. No easy high school assignments, no parents making them do their homework, and no mommy to coddle them when they can’t handle things. The academics are tough and there are several curriculums I know I could not handle, but most can be handled if students will put forth the effort and forego their laziness and inattention to studying.
I attended a small lunch meeting with Woodward during his last year as Chancellor. He was proud of the fact that we were attracting some high school valedictorians, but also said that he likes to accept some kids who may be borderline, using the theory that they might just need that one chance to prove they can succeed when others won't give them the opportunity.I’m not sure I agree with that, except maybe in a few cases. If we accept too many of those, we water down the student body as a whole, and end up with too many dropouts. Who benefits from that?
Anyone know Phil’s philosophy on this?
I was definitely borderline and I definitely graduated.
clt says 90% of unc-ch fans didn’t graduate college, so we are ahead.
[QUOTE=VA49er;414711]From what I’ve heard, getting accepted to Harvard is actually harder than attending Harvard. Of course, that comes from people that probably didn’t get accepted to Harvard.[/QUOTE]
Are college curriculums across all large universities very different? I know that your class sizes are much larger at some schools versus others, but if your major is Accounting one would think that the work is pretty much the same. I don’t know that for a fact, but if the school is acreddited in a curriculum then those schools that are should not be that much different. I think the graduation rate of freshmen is somewhat a misleading statistic depending in the school. Many classes are called “weed-out” classes for a reason.
The base curriculum is roughly the same, but the assigned readings, problem sets and grading polices are usually the difference.
I was definitely borderline and I definitely graduated.
Congratulations! I applaud those that rise to the challenge, and I don’t think we should exclude every borderline applicant, but we might think about screening the borderline cases a little better, and maybe develop a mentoring program for them.
My daughter went to Charlotte, too, and she was aimless for awhile, changing majors and just getting by. Then she took a Biology course from the late Dr. Harshini DaSilva, who took her under her wing and mentored her. She ended up graduating with honors, and went on to earn a PhD in Neurobiology. She now works on a cancer research team associated with Wake Forest/Bowman Gray.
That kind of attention from a faculty member or grad student can make a huge difference in how an underclassman performs. I’d like to see Phil get a program in place to develop mentors like that.
[QUOTE=Charlotte2002;414720]The base curriculum is roughly the same, but the assigned readings, problem sets and grading polices are usually the difference.[/QUOTE]
But how is it determined that this accounting school is better than that accounting school. One could assume that it’s determined by the type of students the school is able to recruit, but I’m sure that there are lesser looked upon schools that have better graduation rates than we do. If we had a better graduation rate than an Ivy League school, we still would not be perceived as better than them academically.
Congratulations! I applaud those that rise to the challenge, and I don't think we should exclude every borderline applicant, but we might think about screening the borderline cases a little better, and maybe develop a mentoring program for them.My daughter went to Charlotte, too, and she was aimless for awhile, changing majors and just getting by. Then she took a Biology course from the late Dr. Harshini DaSilva, who took her under her wing and mentored her. She ended up graduating with honors, and went on to earn a PhD in Neurobiology. She now works on a cancer research team associated with Wake Forest/Bowman Gray.
That kind of attention from a faculty member or grad student can make a huge difference in how an underclassman performs. I’d like to see Phil get a program in place to develop mentors like that.
Thanks. Basically, I was a slacker in HS. I graduated 176th out of 351. 175 ahead of me 175 behind me. But I got a 1280 on the SAT back when that was a decent number. I’m pretty sure that’s what got me in. Plus, I applied early admission.
[QUOTE=77grad;414721]Congratulations! I applaud those that rise to the challenge, and I don’t think we should exclude every borderline applicant, but we might think about screening the borderline cases a little better, and maybe develop a mentoring program for them.
My daughter went to Charlotte, too, and she was aimless for awhile, changing majors and just getting by. Then she took a Biology course from the late Dr. Harshini DaSilva, who took her under her wing and mentored her. She ended up graduating with honors, and went on to earn a PhD in Neurobiology. She now works on a cancer research team associated with Wake Forest/Bowman Gray.
That kind of attention from a faculty member or grad student can make a huge difference in how an underclassman performs. I’d like to see Phil get a program in place to develop mentors like that.[/QUOTE]
Impressive 
[QUOTE=77grad;414721]Congratulations! I applaud those that rise to the challenge, and I don’t think we should exclude every borderline applicant, but we might think about screening the borderline cases a little better, and maybe develop a mentoring program for them.
My daughter went to Charlotte, too, and she was aimless for awhile, changing majors and just getting by. Then she took a Biology course from the late Dr. Harshini DaSilva, who took her under her wing and mentored her. She ended up graduating with honors, and went on to earn a PhD in Neurobiology. She now works on a cancer research team associated with Wake Forest/Bowman Gray.
That kind of attention from a faculty member or grad student can make a huge difference in how an underclassman performs. I’d like to see Phil get a program in place to develop mentors like that.[/QUOTE]
I cannot applaud this post enough. I totally agree.
But how is it determined that this accounting school is better than that accounting school. One could assume that it's determined by the type of students the school is able to recruit, but I'm sure that there are lesser looked upon schools that have better graduation rates than we do. If we had a better graduation rate than an Ivy League school, we still would not be perceived as better than them academically.
I’m pretty sure the success of an Accounting school is measured by the percentage of grads who pass the CPA Exam their first try.
But how is it determined that this accounting school is better than that accounting school. One could assume that it's determined by the type of students the school is able to recruit, but I'm sure that there are lesser looked upon schools that have better graduation rates than we do. If we had a better graduation rate than an Ivy League school, we still would not be perceived as better than them academically.
A lot has to do with what the students do when they get into the real world and how they perform.
For example, NYUs MBA Finance is second to none, it has an insane grading curve…if you get though it your grades may suffer, but you are well prepared for the real world and succeed. Then the translates back to the rep of the school.
Impressive :thumbsup:
Thanks. We’re really proud of her. In addition to everything else, she got married during grad school, and had a baby 6 months before she got her PhD. That took some dedication.
I cannot applaud this post enough. I totally agree.
It is true, having a good relationship with a professor can help immensely when you are trying to find your way in college.
BTW, there are plenty of resources available to students. Especially in their first two years.
There’s FREE tutoring in Fretwell, a FREE writing center, and many classes have TAs that offer FREE extra sessions. Also, every professor is required to offer office hours for assisting students, and these hours are given and printed on the syllabus on day one.
There’s no excuse for failing other than your own damn laziness.
There's no excuse for failing other than your own damn laziness.
Yeah! that and being on NN.N to much.
One thing I haven’t seen anyone point out is that we have a lot of non-traditional and part time students. A lot of things can pop up for people in those situations such as family issues, job promotions, taking a new job that no longer allows school attendance, and I’m sure others I’m missing as the moment.
There are also a lot of borderline retarded people that get in though. Their parents knew they probably wouldn’t do well in college so instead of spending 15,000 a year to send them away to school, they could keep them at home and only pay tuition. Less risk. You don’t get much of that at schools in college towns because there are generally few residents. We have over a million people within driving distance to the university.
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For example, NYUs MBA Finance is second to none, it has an insane grading curve…if you get though it your grades may suffer, but you are well prepared for the real world and succeed. Then the translates back to the rep of the school.[/QUOTE]
I had a friend that got into Harvard Business School. I still remember her telling me what one of her professors said to her. The prof said that merely getting accepted into HBS demonstrated exceptional networking skills, etc and that as long as they didn’t screw up to bad, they had already earned their degree.