It will be interesting to see. But, if the big conferences all go to 16, they can form a whole new division. 16 (schools) * 5 (conferences) = 80 (teams in the new division). Or 16 * 6 = 96. If this happens, and a school wants to leave a conference, they may have to take a step down in divisions.[/quote]
16 x 5 and maybe we get in. I find it very hard to believe that given our size and our market that we wouldn’t be included in a power conference at 16 x 6.[/quote]
Right now it does seem that our best hope is the BE remains a BCS league and needs 16 teams to do that. I fear that if a ND goes to the Big Ten, a Syracuse, WV, UConn and UL go to the ACC, etc, the Big East will no longer be considered a BCS league. Thus only making 5 leagues with 16 teams.
Currently:
Cincy
UConn
UL
Pitt
Rutgers
USF
Syracuse
WV
Possible schools currently ahead of us for joining a new Big East:
Marshall
ECU
UCF
Georgia St
Memphis
Richmond
Villanova
Temple
Rhode Island
ODU
Right now, they’d need 8. If the ACC raids them, they’d need 10 to 12. It’s going to be tight!!!
I’d venture that instead they may just leave the NCAA altogether.[/quote]
I hope the only thing they have underestimated is the backlash from fans of the have nots and the environment we are in now where the average Joe on the street keeps getting screwed. If this goes down it will be hard for me to keep watching or keeping an interest because of what they have set up and the pure greed of it all overriding the sports competition.[/quote]
I’d hope so too. But that’s essentially already happening with the BCS.
Is the insider an VT grad, so that it sounds like they had the upper hand? Because I don’t think there’s any way in hell that VT would turn down the SEC.[/quote]
I do not know. With everything that went into getting VT into the ACC (politics, State of Va., etc) I do not see it likely that this will happen. There had to be some behind the closed doors handshake contingencies that VT had to accept before being allowed in.
But hey it is a Bum Rush so you never know.
If the scenario keeps progressing I hope the A 10 has a few of the BE BB only schools on speed dial. Great time to dump the dead weight and gain some quality teams. I think that is a better chance for us than going to a better league.
Football is driving expansion, not basketball. Kansas is one of the top 5 or so basketball programs in the country. Yet Nebraska and Colorado got the new league invites.
Is the insider an VT grad, so that it sounds like they had the upper hand? Because I don’t think there’s any way in hell that VT would turn down the SEC.[/quote]
I do not know. With everything that went into getting VT into the ACC (politics, State of Va., etc) I do not see it likely that this will happen. There had to be some behind the closed doors handshake contingencies that VT had to accept before being allowed in.
But hey it is a Bum Rush so you never know.[/quote]
Yeah, I do recall politics playing a role in VT getting into the ACC. But I guess I don’t know enough about state’s legislature to know exactly what they can do to stop a university from going to another conference. I suppose they can’t stop it legally. But they can affect the funding to the school.
Also, wasn’t the politics before because the governor was on the side of VT? If it’s the same people in power, and they think the SEC is better than the ACC, I think they’d be on the side of VT again. More so than on the side of the ACC.
[quote=“Lew, post:263, topic:23382”]Georgia State is nowhere close to being ahead of us. They simply do not have the facilities.
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I’m sure Georgia St. can work a deal to play major games at Phillips Arena or share Alexander Memorial with Georgia Tech. Atlanta is a huge TV market and Home to Turner Broadcasting, which could be a future broadcast partner for the Big East.
Possible schools currently ahead of us for joining a new Big East:
Football isTV Markets are driving expansion, not basketball. Kansas is one of the top 5 or so basketball programs in the country but has no TV market. Yet Nebraska and Colorado Denver got the new league invites.[/quote]
I think Colorado went first to preempt the Texas schools from force feeding Baylor to the Pac 10. Every news account had Colorado OR Baylor. If the Texas schools threw around their weight, the Pac 10 may have caved on Baylor. I seriously doubt Texas really wanted Baylor in the league anymore than Virginia wanted Virginia Tech, but politics can hold sway on these deals. Now, the Pac 10 can’t be forced to add Baylor because with Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Texas, Texas A&M and Texas Tech, they are full. As for Kansas and the others, the Mountain West is their best bet, but Kansas v Wyoming or Boise in a conference basketball game is going to hurt some egos in Lawrence.
I’m sure Georgia St. can work a deal to play major games at Phillips Arena or share Alexander Memorial with Georgia Tech. Atlanta is a huge TV market and Home to Turner Broadcasting, which could be a future broadcast partner for the Big East.
Possible schools currently ahead of us for joining a new Big East:
Kansas
Kansas St.
Villanova Football
Georgetown Football
UCF
Iowa St.
Temple
8.)Memphis
ECU
10)Marshall
UMass
Western Kentucky
Middle Tennessee
Georgia St[/quote]
If they rebuild into a national conference then some of those stand. But if they rebuild as a true eastern conference:
[ul][li]Nova[/li]
[li]G’Town[/li]
[li]UCF[/li]
[li]Temple[/li]
[li]Memphis[/li]
[li]ECU[/li]
[li]Marshall[/li]
[li]GSU[/li][/ul]
Those are the schools I put ahead of us. Do not underestimate the power of this market for a conference that realizes how untapped it is. Of course Nova and G’town are already in there.
Football isTV Markets are driving expansion, not basketball. Kansas is one of the top 5 or so basketball programs in the country but has no TV market. Yet Nebraska and Colorado Denver got the new league invites.[/quote]
fixed.[/quote]
I’d say that’s partly true. But Missouri, Nebraska, OU, A&M are not stellar TV markets. Definitely not better than Baylor in Dallas. Or the University of Houston.
With the Big 10 at 12 teams and the Pac-10 possibly headed for 16 teams, the Big East is believed to be exploring the possibility of adding four schools to become a league of 12 football members and 20 in basketball.
How the hell would this ever work from a scheduling and conference championship standpoint. People have said the BE is too big as it is.
Of course, if that’s where the remainder of the Big 12 migrates, potentially turning the MWC into a 16-team “superconference,” Memphis would have to try to get in that mix
If Mempiss gets in the MWC that will show how screwed up this whole deal has become. It is amazing to me how hard Kansas could get screwed on this deal.
I found this on the Wake Board while checking on other sites about the conference realignment. This is not the first time I have seen this on other boards. It use to piss me off but know it just depresses me.
“And I’m still not sure an ACC network would be less attractive than a Big Ten network. You’d have to have coverage in 4 of the top 27 TV markets (DC, Baltimore, Charlotte, Raleigh-Durham) and that doesn’t include Boston (7) or Miami (18).”
I would love to see the day where a team that is not within 2 hours of our campus could not consider us their market. The only problem is I feel the powers that be in Charlotte like this impression. We are all talking about how strong our market is for the future while everyone around us already thinks they have possesion of it and they are probably correct.
For their part, the Jayhawks don’t want to be forced into the Mountain West and want the remaining Big 12 schools to stay together to form what would be a “better basketball conference than the one we were just in,” a source with direct knowledge of Kansas’ situation told ESPN.com’s Andy Katz, referring to Colorado’s and Nebraska’s history of struggles in basketball.The source said losing Colorado and Nebraska enhances the Jayhawks’ basketball program because the remaining 10 schools would better fit the model of an 18-game schedule.Indeed, officials from five schools – Kansas, Missouri, Kansas State, Iowa State and Baylor – had a conference call on Saturday, the Kansas City Star reported. The schools agreed they would like to continue as members of the Big 12.
[quote=“TheShowDawg, post:278, topic:23382”]For their part, the Jayhawks don’t want to be forced into the Mountain West and want the remaining Big 12 schools to stay together to form what would be a “better basketball conference than the one we were just in,” a source with direct knowledge of Kansas’ situation told ESPN.com’s Andy Katz, referring to Colorado’s and Nebraska’s history of struggles in basketball.The source said losing Colorado and Nebraska enhances the Jayhawks’ basketball program because the remaining 10 schools would better fit the model of an 18-game schedule.Indeed, officials from five schools – Kansas, Missouri, Kansas State, Iowa State and Baylor – had a conference call on Saturday, the Kansas City Star reported. The schools agreed they would like to continue as members of the Big 12.
Charlotte to the BIG 12!! ;D [/quote]
Yes, please.
I mean, we are only Tennessee’s width apart from their footprint. We could be the southern version of the BE.
VA Tech can dominate the ACC and make it to the national championship game. I think it’d be 3x as hard to dominate the SEC. I think they are going with the easy route + VA politics.
