[i]Originally posted by Jimmyhat49er[/i]@Feb 17 2005, 09:20 AM [b] How about when Mitch got fouled and Brendan went to the line instead, then misses 2 Fts. I think that was a little karma working there... [/b]Yeah, that was wierd. Baldwin was saying something to Plavich but Plav was ignoring him and just stood on the FT line staring straight ahead like he couldn't hear him. Mitch looked pissed.
[i]Originally posted by 49erpi[/i]@Feb 17 2005, 09:26 AM [b] Yeah, that was wierd. Baldwin was saying something to Plavich but Plav was ignoring him and just stood on the FT line staring straight ahead like he couldn't hear him. Mitch looked pissed. [/b]I *think* (could have been another time) that the radio guys touched on that. Said Plav and Baldwin were looking at each other going "who's shooting the FTs?" and then they put Plav on the line.
I think this game says a lot of positives about our team when we win by 4 after hittting ONLY 2 3s and none were by Plav. Can anyone else see this? Our FTs were 70% + (key) and we outrebounded them (KEY), less turnovers (KEY), EJ stepping up(key)âŚI could go on and on. THIS WAS A GREAT, HUGE WIN and I am going to look at that golden W all day long and NOT the pimples. All games have pimples. Letâs wallow in the GREEN AND GOLDEN GLOW!! Hmmmmmmmmmm! 
On a side note, we beat UNC-A by making only one 3-pointer. I donât expect us to have another bad shooting night like that for the rest of the season.
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[b]Every shot he took driving into the lane was terrible, some of them looked like a middle schooler was shooting them.[/b]
Had they gone in you wouldnât be saying that.
Just missing a shot doesnât make it a bad shot.
[b]He missed a wide open lay up.[/b]
You are trying to argue that a wide open lay up is a bad shot?
[b]He should have driven and dished, but they were giving him wide open looks inside the arc because they knew he would miss.[/b]
Thatâs a profoundly stupid statement even for you. They were overplaying him on the 3 and he was able to pump fake and drive around because of it. The shots simply didnât fall.
[i]Originally posted by MKNiner[/i]@Feb 17 2005, 02:55 PM [b][b]Every shot he took driving into the lane was terrible, some of them looked like a middle schooler was shooting them.[/b]Had they gone in you wouldnât be saying that.
Just missing a shot doesnât make it a bad shot.
[b]He missed a wide open lay up.[/b]You are trying to argue that a wide open lay up is a bad shot?
[b]He should have driven and dished, but they were giving him wide open looks inside the arc because they knew he would miss.[/b]Thatâs a profoundly stupid statement even for you. They were overplaying him on the 3 and he was able to pump fake and drive around because of it. The shots simply didnât fall. [/b]
Youâre right 1-11 = good shots.
Forgive me for being so stupid.
[i]Originally posted by Powerbait[/i]@Feb 17 2005, 04:17 PM [b] You're right 1-11 = good shots.[/b]
1-11 can equal off night shooting or taking bad shots. Last night, minus 1 instance, Plav wasnât taking bad shots.
[b]Forgive me for being so stupid.[/b]
Hey youâre the one thatâs saying a wide open lay up is a bad shot.
But no need to apologize, I expect nothing more.
I think once you miss about 7 in a row the rest are bad shots no matter where they are from. He clearly didnât have it last night and maybe should have toned it down and looked to get other guys good looks.
This is something that has always bothered me about basketball conversations, thus, Iâm putting my 2 cents in.
A bad shot constitutes an ill-advised shotâŚmeaning itâs not someoneâs shot in general (e.g. Martin Iti trying to shoot a 3 or something), its taken when your defender is so close to you that you get blocked, or what have you. But it is NOT a bad shot just because it doesnât fallâŚperiod. If you could ask yourself, if it had gone in would I have still been bothered by it? If you still answer yes, then chances are it was a bad shot (again, use the Martin example, I wouldnât care if he made it, Iâd still be mad that he even tried because it would not have been the best option).
All but the first of Brendanâs shots were typical Plavich threes that had it been any other night, would have gone in. Sometimes gravity is just not on your side, but I doubt when J.J. Redick or Gerry McNamara have an off night (which, oh my gosh, they actually do, can you believe it?) their fans are crying âbad shotsâ.
Just think about it at a deeper level then just:
bad shot = did not go in
good shot = went in
Sorry, just had to vent!
[i]Originally posted by charlotte49ers[/i]@Feb 17 2005, 04:29 PM [b] ! [/b]
[b]Just think about it at a deeper level then just: bad shot = did not go in good shot = went in [/b]
I donât think anyone is disputing that really.
All Iâm saying is that Plavich is a streak shooter and not a very good shooter in Halton, for some strange reason. I felt that the last 4 or so shots he took were bad because he clearly was not on and we had other guys that were getting good looks. I think maybe he should have held back on a couple of those last few 28 footers and tried to get other guys looks.
[i]Originally posted by 49erpi[/i]@Feb 17 2005, 04:28 PM [b] I think once you miss about 7 in a row the rest are bad shots no matter where they are from. He clearly didn't have it last night and maybe should have toned it down and looked to get other guys good looks. [/b]Shhh, Pi. You're wrong. Those running layups that barely drew iron were good, they just didn't drop.
Gosh, you must not know anything about basketball.
The running layups were good shotsâŚthey looked awkward, but ANYBODY with a chance to shoot a wide open 4 ftâr is a good shot. Both of which circled the rim 2-3 times before coming out. He shot poorly but he took good shots and had a few tough breaks.
Funny how nobody has said anything about Mitchâs shooting performance. He misses 5 layups (3 uncontested) but they were good shots. Mitch was only 1-2 at the line. He missed 2 3ptrs, which in my opinion, is NEVER a good shot for Mitch. He was 3-10 total, missing 5 layups but gets a âpassââŚwhile Plav gets roasted for doing the same (missing good shot opportunities).
FunnyâŚat least to me.
Both had an âoffâ nightâŚbut both took mostly good shotsâŚso whatâs the big deal??? We won the game in spite of BOTH guards going 4-21 while missing 7 shots within 4 feet. No need to bash Plav or MitchâŚthey both played hard and well in other areas which helped us win.
[b]I don't think anyone is disputing that really. [/b]
Actually, I think thatâs PBâs point in all this. Shot not made (of course only if shot by Plav) is a bad shot.
[b]All I'm saying is that Plavich is a streak shooter and not a very good shooter in Halton, for some strange reason. I felt that the last 4 or so shots he took were bad because he clearly was not on and we had other guys that were getting good looks. I think maybe he should have held back on a couple of those last few 28 footers and tried to get other guys looks.[/b]
I can buy that to some extent. But I think back to Davidson when he was bad in the first half and lit it up in the second. He can always get hot for 2-3 or more, even in Halton (see Cincy.)
In any case, like you said on the first page, we won. Thatâs what counts.
[i]Originally posted by KTown49er[/i]@Feb 17 2005, 04:50 PM [b] The running layups were good shots....they looked awkward, but ANYBODY with a chance to shoot a wide open 4 ft'r is a good shot. Both of which circled the rim 2-3 times before coming out. He shot poorly but he took good shots and had a few tough breaks.Funny how nobody has said anything about Mitchâs shooting performance. He misses 5 layups (3 uncontested) but they were good shots. Mitch was only 1-2 at the line. He missed 2 3ptrs, which in my opinion, is NEVER a good shot for Mitch. He was 3-10 total, missing 5 layups but gets a âpassââŚwhile Plav gets roasted for doing the same (missing good shot opportunities).
FunnyâŚat least to me.
Both had an âoffâ nightâŚbut both took mostly good shotsâŚso whatâs the big deal??? We won the game in spite of BOTH guards going 4-21 while missing 7 shots within 4 feet. No need to bash Plav or MitchâŚthey both played hard and well in other areas which helped us win. [/b]
The difference is that Mitchâs missed several driving layups which is always a good shot for him because he can elevate and finish and is a good FT shooter so we want him going to the basket. He missed 3 of the layups because he got hammered and they were no calls. Lutz was furious with the officials on 2 of them. All three happened right infront of me and they were missed calls.
Plavich taking 3 pointers early in the shot clock when he had not hit one all night is not good.
Baldwin may also be getting a little more slack from people because he had 4 assists and 0 turnovers.
HeyâŚhereâs the best newsâŚLutz is wise to MartinâŚheâs done for this year trying to prove how good Martin can be at the expense of the team.I donât know if this was covered yet,but on the postgame,Matt asked him why no Martin in the 2nd half? Lutz did some song&dance bout how Curtis and E.J. have been playing great together(which I totally agree with) but it was VERY obvious that heâs had his fill of MartinâŚgotta add this,and I swear itâs trueâŚsitting in our seats before the game I told my buddy that I thought Martin would have more fouls than pointsâŚlittle did I know heâd also have almost more fouls than minutes played!
Letâs give the two board experts on âgoodâ shots a paintball gun and then everytime Plavich misses they can take a shot at him. Interesting many have demanded (myself included) that he take the ball to the hoop. The guy canât win on this board.
[i]Originally posted by switchfoot[/i]@Feb 17 2005, 06:40 PM [b] Let's give the two board experts on "good" shots a paintball gun and then everytime Plavich misses they can take a shot at him. Interesting many have demanded (myself included) that he take the ball to the hoop. The guy can't win on this board. [/b]Hey switch, when a senior team leader plays a shitty game like that, he is gonna take a little critisism. Deal with it and shut it.
Donât expect everyone to agree with you or is that beyond your understanding? DEAL WITH IT! By the way if you donât like it then it ignore. Itâs the green button that says ignore. Got it?
Lighten up, Francis.