Please explain our offense to me??

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Please explain our offense to me. I thought we had a potential All-American PF. How many times did Withers recieve the ball on the blocks with his back to the basket? How many times did anyone recieve the ball with his back to the basket? H*ll just get the ball to Withers 8 feet from the basket(faced up I don’t care) and I will be happy. Withers could have easily had 30 points on #40 for Rutgers tonight.
In the second half how many points did we score in the paint? How many points were scored in the paint the whole game from an entry pass?

Our PG does not bring the ball up the court?? We never have any assists. How many assists has our PG position produced over the last couple of years?

Our offense is set up so far from the basket that we twice had a player take a half step back and step out of bounds. We also had our PG take a half a step back and commit backcourt. We are always backing up or being overplayed so the ball is at least 30 feet from the basket. Why can’t we be strong with the ball and attack from a half court set?

If we are not in transistion we are toast and guess what the NCAA tournament is all about.

Do something different on the way you coach free throws!!! It is not working. I have never seen so many players shoot a free throw different each time he is at the line. Basden has about 10 different ways he sets up or shoots a free throw. It is a simple fundamental shot.

I felt like I was in a time warp listening to the post game show. The same comments as last year and the year before and the year before and the…

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10-26 freethrows are we the worst freethrow team in the whole ncaa? Hell even shaq can shoot 50%

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10-26 freethrows are we the worst freethrow team in the whole ncaa? Hell even shaq can shoot 50% plavich gets 3 shots makes 1? he is the last one i expect to miss, besides sager but he never gets a chance.

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Give me a break finalfourniners. You will be the one guy after we beat Alabama to say, I told you so. Basden had 8 attempts and only made 2 at the line. This was a team loss on the free throw end. Not on one player.

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plavich played great besides freethrows, eddie played great besides freethrows. you shoot 10 for 26 you don’t beat anyone.

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[i]Originally posted by TheShowDawg[/i]@Nov 23 2004, 12:28 AM [b] Please explain our offense to me. I thought we had a potential All-American PF. How many times did Withers recieve the ball on the blocks with his back to the basket? How many times did anyone recieve the ball with his back to the basket? H*ll just get the ball to Withers 8 feet from the basket(faced up I don't care) and I will be happy. Withers could have easily had 30 points on #40 for Rutgers tonight. In the second half how many points did we score in the paint? How many points were scored in the paint the whole game from an entry pass?

Our PG does not bring the ball up the court?? We never have any assists. How many assists has our PG position produced over the last couple of years?

Our offense is set up so far from the basket that we twice had a player take a half step back and step out of bounds. We also had our PG take a half a step back and commit backcourt. We are always backing up or being overplayed so the ball is at least 30 feet from the basket. Why can’t we be strong with the ball and attack from a half court set?

If we are not in transistion we are toast and guess what the NCAA tournament is all about.

Do something different on the way you coach free throws!!! It is not working. I have never seen so many players shoot a free throw different each time he is at the line. Basden has about 10 different ways he sets up or shoots a free throw. It is a simple fundamental shot.

I felt like I was in a time warp listening to the post game show. The same comments as last year and the year before and the year before and the… [/b]


This entire post is gospel. RIGHT ON.

Preach on TSD.

Please hear our prayers basketball gods, and send us some salvation.

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[i]Originally posted by TheShowDawg[/i]@Nov 22 2004, 11:28 PM [b] Please explain our offense to me. I thought we had a potential All-American PF. How many times did Withers recieve the ball on the blocks with his back to the basket? How many times did anyone recieve the ball with his back to the basket? H*ll just get the ball to Withers 8 feet from the basket(faced up I don't care) and I will be happy. Withers could have easily had 30 points on #40 for Rutgers tonight. In the second half how many points did we score in the paint? How many points were scored in the paint the whole game from an entry pass?

Our PG does not bring the ball up the court?? We never have any assists. How many assists has our PG position produced over the last couple of years?

Our offense is set up so far from the basket that we twice had a player take a half step back and step out of bounds. We also had our PG take a half a step back and commit backcourt. We are always backing up or being overplayed so the ball is at least 30 feet from the basket. Why can’t we be strong with the ball and attack from a half court set?

If we are not in transistion we are toast and guess what the NCAA tournament is all about.

Do something different on the way you coach free throws!!! It is not working. I have never seen so many players shoot a free throw different each time he is at the line. Basden has about 10 different ways he sets up or shoots a free throw. It is a simple fundamental shot.

I felt like I was in a time warp listening to the post game show. The same comments as last year and the year before and the year before and the… [/b]


TSD, Right on about Withers. He never gets the ball on the low block. What a crime to let a team guard him one on one on the perimeter when he should be drawing double teams in the low post. If you don’t believe me, believe the NBA scout infront of me. He was astonished.

Withers had only 1 free throw attempt against a physical Big East team that was in the double bonus the entire game. Shame on you coach Lutz. Curt touched the ball on the low block exactly once in the half cout offense. What a waste of talent tonight.

And how about enough of that sorry 3/4 court trap. When will Lutz throw in the towel on this lost cause. I remember it giving up layups and dunks all night but cannot recall one turnover it produced. On top of that Lutz has got Withers going point on that trap all night, running him into the ground just to watch another uncontested layup or three pointer. What a joke.

There are about 200 college coaches that would laugh at the fact that we had Curtis Withers going one on one at the top of the key and pulling up for 15’ jumpers all night.

How about 10-26 from the free throw line. Take away Baldwin’s 3-4 and Nances’ 1-1 and the rest of the team was 6-21! Are you kidding me? Basden and Plav are decent free throw shooters and they go combined 3-11. That makes me sick.

I would rip Basden to death for his pathtic 2-8 performance from the line but he played with heart all night. This kid is a Big East player stuck on a cusa team. Loved the effort but you’re a senior…close the deal.

Plavich was clearly the guy Rutgers wanted to expose defensively and they did just that. In his defense, he played hard and tried like hell but he could not handle those guards. Lutz atleast tried to switch up with Eddie but, to their credit, Rutgers found ways to get mismatches on Plav and we paid the price. I thought we should have gone to Goldwire with Baldwin, however I guess Bobby didn’t trust the freshman that much.

Sad, but as soon as we got behind we looked like the same old 49ers…whipping up bad 3 point shots and playing ole’ defense. What a shame because this is a team with a ton of potential.

BTW, I didn’t see one scout with a page open on Iti. Anyone surprised?

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49erpi, as usual you are right on the money.

TSD, let me introduce you to Bobby Lutz. I have complained and ranted on this board and others for quite some time that Lutz has no concept of running an offense that features post players. It is just a shame that we are going to waste Withers this year.

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PI is right we don’
t have an ofense unless it is a fast break and we hit a wide open three.

Not using Withers is crazy I don’t care if he misses all of his ft’s he will go to the line a million times if you get him the ball in the right spot.

We could not handle their 3-2 defense and shows our lack of a quality pg.

Also agree with the ole defense, and stop the frigging trap, does NOT WORK.

THAT being said, Lutz teams start like this every year, and we will regroup.
It does hurt however our chance to be ranked anytine soon.

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i have also said in the past that lutz doesn’t know how to run a half court offense. but i think the problem this year and every year that lutz has been here is the fact that we don’t have a point guard that can penetrate, dish the ball, pull up for a jumper, etc. Lutz has never had a good point guard and until we get one, we will be a good team, but not a great team.

lutz teams don’t know how to play a slow down game because that’s not what lutz wants. he wants a run and gun offense, but we don’t have enough talent to play that way.

oh well, i stand by my prediction of 19-8 and another 8-9 seed in the tourney. that’s not too bad when you really think about it.

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[i]Originally posted by tm49er[/i]@Nov 23 2004, 09:14 AM [b] but i think the problem this year and every year that lutz has been here is the fact that [b]we don't have a point guard[/b] that can penetrate, dish the ball, pull up for a jumper, etc. Lutz has never had a good point guard and until we get one, we will be a good team, but not a great team. [/b]
This conveniently was overlooked in the book reports after my post.

Of course, it’s all Plavich’s fault. & Lutz’s. Kill them both. :rolleyes:

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i wasn’t at the game because i live in VA. When Rutgers spread the court, did we try a zone defense and just sit back, or did we pressure the ball and feed right into their game plan. I couldn’t tell from the radio broadcast.

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[i]Originally posted by tm49er[/i]@Nov 23 2004, 10:04 AM [b] i wasn't at the game because i live in VA. When Rutgers spread the court, did we try a zone defense and just sit back, or did we pressure the ball and feed right into their game plan. I couldn't tell from the radio broadcast. [/b]
We tryed a 3-2 zone that ended up looking Man-to-Man. Always had pressure on the ball but they keep nailing the threes. The 3/4 trap was what really killed us, they really cut into your lead when they broke that.

PI speaks the truth. Well never see a offense run thru the post. Feel bad for Withers and thats the reason Iti hasnt improved. Would be in boths best interest to transfer. Withers should be furious.

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[i]Originally posted by TheShowDawg[/i]@Nov 22 2004, 11:28 PM [b] Basden has about 10 different ways he sets up or shoots a free throw. [b]It is a simple fundamental shot. [/b]

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I remember a coach saying several years ago that the art of the free throw is gone.

I think today kids don’t know the fundamentals like they should. They should be able to shoot free throws, they are in college, Lutz shouldn’t have to coach them on how to shoot a free throw, they should have learned this growing up. I think if you can’t shoot FT’s by the time you are in college, chances are you percentage is going to improve by a lot.

I’m disappointed in the performance but I’m not jumping ship, this happens every year. We start off with a lot of promise at the beginning of the season and then we end up losing a game we should have won. It’s like clockwork, I’m just waiting for the Fire coach Lutz threads to start up. :rolleyes:

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This is so sad that all these posts sound just like the ones we read after losses last year. Curt got all 14 of his points on his own and that is RIDICULOUS. What’s the point of having a superstar if you don’t use him effectively?

Lutz makes no adjustments at halftime. I don’t understand that. He almost always gets outcoached in the Second Half of games. What’s up with that? Lutz is a great recruiter, but not a good in-game coach.

At the end of last season, when Lutz was telling all the guys what they needed to work on over the summer, somebody needed to tell Lutz that he needed to go find an offense for this team to run. We’re never going to be able to be confident at the end of games b/c we’re never going to know for sure that we can get a certain person a shot. I don’t think we have a play other than an isolation for Curt to get a shot. Curt should leave this program after this year if we’re not going to do anything to help his game. This offense is a joke.

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49rpi,

Right on. However, I said at the begining of the year that if the Niners did not shoot 65% - 70% FT as a team, forget it. That’s what it always comes down to in close games. The Niners were tested, and failed. I for one don’t expect more than another one-and-done season with a team that shoots so horrid from the line.

On the other hand, comments about how CW is used/ not used are right on. Somebody on the staff needs to kick Lutz when he get’s these brain farts.

God, I hope we don’t play like this against Valpo. They will be a very fundamentally sound team.

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[i]Originally posted by NinerAdvocate+Nov 23 2004, 08:53 AM-->
[b]QUOTE[/b] (NinerAdvocate @ Nov 23 2004, 08:53 AM)
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[i]Originally posted by bobblinlutz[/i]@Nov 23 2004, 09:47 AM [b] Lutz makes no adjustments at halftime. I don't understand that. He almost always gets outcoached in the Second Half of games. What's up with that? Lutz is a great recruiter, but not a good in-game coach.

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It’s because he is stubborn. Nobody is going to make him change his ways. That is why he sticks with the junk defenses and traps, that is why Demon was able to shoot like he did last year and that is why he is not a good game coach. He is too stubborn to change anything.

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[b]Also, I'm not blaming Plavich for his defensive struggles, I blame Lutz for being too stubborn and staying with him. [/b]

Dead on PI. What does it take for Lutz to learn?? Remember when he was heralded as the king of the junk defense? Well, personally I think those defenses are exactly that, junk. But hell, I would have loved to see him try something other than Plav on a quicker, taller, better player last night…OVER AND OVER AGAIN.

And why did we stop the full court press in the second half? That’s how we created 3/4 of our points in the first half. Here’s a question for Lutz. What’s the point of being 9-deep if you’re not going to press and run like crazy? All you get are chemistry problems if that’s the case.

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I still say our guards are just not as talented as they should be if we want to compete at the highest level of college basketball. The only 3 point shooter we have is plav and he’s a defensive liability. We have an ultra quick PG, but he can’t consistently make a jump shot. IMO guards are the key in college basketball and we just don’t have the guards to make the jump to the next level.