Lee and Mack were terrible yesterday. Just plain awful. We get back into the game somehow, then we blow it at the foul line. It was truly the most frustrating game I have ever seen us play. I think it was an abberation, but a really costly one. When our top two scorers go 0-15 from the 3, I donât think we should be in any games. Due to Richmondâs god awful ball handling, we were still in it yesterday.
[QUOTE=Gas49er;291222]Also, the refs sucked. Not that we lost because of it, but they stunk it up!! How about the no T on their coach when he was way out of his box? What about the quick 5 second call against them at the end? How about when they ran our cheerleaders off during the under 4:00 timeout? No palming call against them. It really was bad.[/QUOTE]
They didnât play well enough to complain about the officiating. Besides, most of us here have come to expect poor officiating in out games. The A10 refs are the countryâs worst. Yesterdayâs threesome wasnât an all-star crew for sure.
Note: The 49ers are 0-2 when Ron Tyburski is officiating. (UMass & Richmond). The 49ers are 2-1 when John Regan is officiating (High Point, Gardner-Webb & Richmond). The 49ers are 1-1 when Eric Anderson is officiating (Gardner-Webb & Richmond).
If we lose any of our next three games, then we will be in trouble. We had a chance to win this despite playing our worst overall game this season, with exception of maybe GT, UIC and Monmoth. What lost this was clutch FT shooting. I was surprised we still had a chance to win despite sucking on defense and offense for the majority of the game. Lee was out of it from the start of the game. Mackâs 0-something-take-a-shot-when-I-touch-the-ball performance in the first few minutes didnât help either. It was exactly like DA last year. The chancellor looked really pissed the whole game. He also told the parents at the parents day breakfast that this was as game weâll win.
Iâd rather us suck it up now than against any of our upcoming opponents. Richmond isnât a âbad RPI lossâ and our RPI will be fine with wins against the next few teams. But if we suddenly fall apart for the rest of the season, you have to wonder if the Lutz contract extension will remain on the table. Overall, I think the Richmond game was a fluke and weâll beat Dayton, St. Bonnie and X.
Dude, you are an idiot! Mack and Lee were both ICE COLD from the floor. Thats it! Lee forced maybe 2 bad threes in the game. He only took 8 for the entire game (not exactly "jacking up 3s for 40 minutes) which is not too many for a shooter like Lee. As for not driving inside, were you actually at the game? We scored 34 points in the paint, compared to 24 for Richmond! They hit 50% from 3 point range! We missed 5 of 6 late free throws. It sucks, but if you're going to bitch and moan, don't just make crap up!
Obviously, you lack the ability to even comprehend what I said so let me explain it to you. (Iâm saying this super slow so you get it): I said that when someone like Lee (or Mack) is obviously ice cold and isnât going to get it turned around, it becomes a major liability to continue to let him keep shooting them. Especially when Richmond was in heavy foul trouble and we could have easily forced them to go deep into their bench. But we didnât do so because as always, we rely on shooting 3âs when weâre behind in a game. Itâs not like we were down 20 to Duke. We were easily in reach of a mediocre Richmond team and we could have won had we just changed our mentality on offense. When youâre already 1-20 from behind the arc, it should seem pretty clear that itâs not your day out there so to keep jacking them up when we didnât even need to, was ridiculous, but not surprising.
And again, free throws were not why we lost this game. Yes, we missed some critical shots down the stretch that could have put us in or kept us in the lead. But one part does not make a whole. You canât let someone shoot 65% in the first half and then expect to have the rest of your game execute to perfection. Granted, they couldnât miss so Iâm not slamming our defense but we should have won this game, regardless of the missed FTâs. This team (and coach) needs to bring their A game, every single time they step on the court. Neither did that yesterday.
Start by stating, I am absolutely a Bobby supporter. Have been since Birmingham, never wavered. Doesnât mean I agree with everything he does, just convinced its a good marriage between school and coach/alum
For all of you who said that when weâre not making 3 point shots, we should stop taking them, have you watched this team? Lee was awful early against Temple, then made 3, 3, 3 and we won. Lee has won games with late 3âs, I canât blame Bobby for letting him keep the green light.
Lee has been bad and forced multiple bad shots in 3 games I remember, MD, UMass & yesterday. Lee, if their in your shorts, get them in the air and drive by them. It worked well against ClemPson, itâll work again son.
Now for the criticism I havenât seen in 7 pages of frustration. Bobby, wtf do you play Harris 16 min against a zone? I love the kid, but D Harris canât break down a zone D. Zero assists from your PG. He could have gotten a couple if we made some threes, but D Harris doesnât get you good shots against a zone. Bobby, you realized it against MonMouth where he only played 10 ineffective minutes.
Even though he is 5â7", Harris is terrific playing man against a good point guard. He won the Wake and ClemPson games by making Ish and D Stitt give the ball up, took both teams out of their O flow and frustrated two good PGâs. Yesterday, Gerrity should have played 35 minutes, not 24. I know he missed FT, but Mike was the ONLY reason we were in the game yesterday. The guy can break down a zone like nobodyâs business.
Coaching is making the best of matchups. I know Bobby didnât miss the FTâs, but he didnât play his cards right either
1-23=loss end of post
no. 1-23=(-22)
Couldnât resist.
when someone like Lee (or Mack) is obviously ice cold and isn't going to get it turned around, it becomes a major liability to continue to let him keep shooting them. Especially when Richmond was in heavy foul trouble and we could have easily forced them to go deep into their bench. But we didn't do so because as always, we rely on shooting 3's when we're behind in a game. It's not like we were down 20 to Duke. We were easily in reach of a mediocre Richmond team and we could have won had we just changed our mentality on offense. .
I concur with that.
I would love someone ask Lutz at LL this week why we would not change strategy at half.
then again, I saw Lutz really pissed at Ian and Lee for some stupid 3s. Iâm not so sure the guys were âlisteningâ to the coach.
we have not had a bad game since what....Maryland? and they've turned out to be a pretty damn good teamLeemireâs shot selection down the stretch against UMASS was terrible. Even Lutz admitted as much during the post-game.if the next few games are 3 jack fests, than yeahâŚwe got issues. But that is the first game in a LONG time we regressed to that.
Some days shots just donât drop. We had great looks that just missed. The FTâs have been better all year.
The same thing happens over and over and over. Every time we start to get over a hump, we shoot ourselves out of contention with poor shot selection. I donât give a ratâs ass how many 3s Leemire or anyone else has hit while wearing a Niner uni. Early in the shot clock, standing on one foot while falling away is not the proper way or time to shoot a 3. Have you not noticed other teams donât do that? Itâs silly to keep defending it.
Two guys on the floor had four fouls in the last five minutes, another one with three. Brutal.Yep. All we had to do was keep pounding the ball inside and we would have been playing against the bench. Nope, not us, jack another 3. What a joke.
[QUOTE=metro;291197]best post in this thread.
bad gameâŚnuff said[/QUOTE]
Yep. 1-23. It should have been about 1-17 or 18, and sad thing is, if we had gone inside those 5 or 6 trips, we might have won. I say might because our go-to backcourt couldnât hit the broadside of a barn from the FT line.
[QUOTE=metro;291208]the FRO is 0-2
no mas[/QUOTE]
Ditto. It gave me a bad feeling from the opening tip.
[QUOTE=metro;291216]youâre right. I bet Bobby didnât teach them a thing, or mention it :rolleyes:[/QUOTE]
Aside from not pulling Lee (more on that in a sec), I felt like Lutz did a damn good job yesterday. The full court pressure worked all but about 2 times. If the refs would have called the damn 10 second violation, one of those 2 trips (a 3 from the corner) wouldnât have happened either.
We scored so many more points than we gave up being aggressive. The guys HAVE to understand that this type of team wants to lull you to sleep, and break your energy. I saw a lot of youthful inexperience yesterday - from the standpoint of keeping the energy, pressure and aggressiveness up.
I thought the guys would have learned from how URI beat them. they just kept going after them and getting to the line. Of course, you have to hit your FTs.
Itâs doubtful that weâre going to be able to sit back and watch Lee or Mack try to win the game by themselves. We need to play 40 minutes like we did in that second half stretch, and weâll blow that team out.
Oh and the zone? We made our run playing zone. It took Lutz a while, but he switched to a small, athletic lineup to a) pressure the fullcourt, and b) Richmond spread us way out, ran that half ass weave/screen up top and tried to overbalance or pull our zone out of position so they could jack a 3. When Bobby put in the quick guys, they stayed on the ballhandler through that topside screen, and closed out on shooters (except for once or twice). That was a nice coaching adjustment using a lineup we hadnât used much. Thumbs up.
Really guys, he canât shoot the shots for Mack and Lee. And itâs a tough call on pulling a cold shooter cause you never know when theyâre gonna find it again. Mack hit a nice shot inside that I thought might settle him down, then proceeded to clang 2 more 3âs off the back of the rim. âCRAPâ. Both of them off for an entire game. Never thought Iâd see it.
[QUOTE=wayton5646;291245]saying lee was bad at handling the ball today was an understatement, the man had 2 go out of bounds of his leg[/QUOTE]
Something was definitely wrong. Weâve all seen him try to will us back into a game, but it wasnât just how far off his shooting was, nothing was going right for him. Dunno what it was, but he shouldnât have been playing.
When was the last time Lee missed BOTH FTs in a clutch situation? Maybe it was just last year, but it certainly doesnât feel like it. Heâs been money for so long.
[QUOTE=metro;291271]what have you been smoking lately?
Richmond plays the Princeton sets, and apparently its hard to defend until youâve seen it live. I bet we go to Richmond and wax them now that these younger guys have experienced it.
BTW- I got a stat sheet at halftimeâŚRichmond shot 65% first half, and with 5 min left in the first half, they were shooting 85%. That is unheard of.
Everything they threw up went in, the opposite for us. IT HAPPENS.[/QUOTE]
That first half was ridiculous. I am absolutely amazed that we were still in the game, let alone came back and took a lead with a team shooting that well.
Makes me sick to my stomach, but the best thing we can do is learn that you canât let them play their style. We have to play full court pressure and let Gerrity break down their zone. Guys need to be active, looking to create off of his drives.
Last thing Iâll say is my customary A10 reffing complaint. Cant remember ever seeing the entire arena boo the refs so hard. Then they tried to make it up to us, which sucks just as bad. I really do hate the officiating in this league, and i hope like hell that it isnât messing this team up in case we do actually make the post season and get real refs.
I concur with that.I would love someone ask Lutz at LL this week why we would not change strategy at half.
then again, I saw Lutz really pissed at Ian and Lee for some stupid 3s. Iâm not so sure the guys were âlisteningâ to the coach.
Pissed is an understatement. I sat right behind the bench, heard just about every word Bobby said. Most of his sentences were along the lines of âWhy do they keep shooting 3âs?â (Thatâs an extremely PG version. EXTREMELY.)
I donât think the ship is sinking. I understand weâre all disappointed, pissed off⌠but I donât like seeing everybody go at each other on here. Itâs called Niner Nation for a reason. This board was, IMO, built to promote discussion and unity among students, alumni, and any other 49er fans. I have been guilty of this before too, but until I got on today and saw Niner fans calling other Niner fans idiot, or moron, anything like that⌠I didnât realize how dumb it makes us all sound.
A few notes, from my bank account, in $.02 increments:
- According to the box score, the attendance was 9105. A sellout is awesome⌠but what was with the empty seats I saw?
- No, we didnât win, but to have as much of an off day as we did and still come out close, well⌠I have to call that a silver lining.
- I brought my best friend from NCSU to the game. After Coleyâs dunk to take the lead, he looked at me with a bewildered look on his face. He yelled (he had to to be heard) âHow many people does this place hold?â I told him about 9000, to which he replied âNo. No ----ing way 9000 people can make this much noise!â It had been a long time since I had felt that kind of energy out of a crowd at a sporting event, and although we lost, those two minutes when you had to yell to talk to the guy sitting next to you⌠that was awesome.
Hey, if you shoot 4.2% from the three, itâs like shooting 6.3% from the two! Right? crickets
Thatâs about as bad as it gets. They actually beat us in rebounding - Richmondâs style usually means that they
lose the rebounding margin by around ten (even in wins). But I suppose thatâs to be expected when Richmond is shooting 85% and youâre shooting 4%.
Actually, players were getting pulled after bad shots. Remember that paricularly ugly shot by Big Phil?? But it was contagious. bad shot - whistle - substitution - bad shot seemed to be the pattern. I was expecting Phaler and/or Church to enter the game at one point. Why not give everyone a chance to show off how you can shoot off the wrong foot w/ a defender on you? I shared NinerIDâs sentiments exactly - we prepared for a week and THATâS the performance we put out? Seemed like the only shots that went in came off of breakaways.
Imagine if Coley was too sick to play. Jeesh. The coaches said that he would have been pulled early if he showed signs of being sluggish or winded. Defensively, he was outstanding. Too bad it all got wasted. EDIT: anyone know why he got called for the technical?
I dreaded the Richmond game all week simply because no one gives them any credit for being a quality opponent. Last year, they were god-awful ⌠but this year they gotta be close to double-digits in the rpi by now. If they arenât, they will be by yearâs end. They remind me a lot of last yearâs Rhode Island team in that regard.
The sad thing is that the Spiders did not play their best ⌠not that they needed to. We easily coulda had them, if just a couple players had their heads on straighter or if we werenât so eager to put up the contested shot. Iâm not looking forward to playing them again in their house.
Oh yeah, I forgot to say:
Isnât it great to have a team in the A10 run moving screens as well as Richmond?
Some of those looked like an offensive lineman charging the tackling dummy, they were so blatant.
:disgust:
[QUOTE=NinerAdvocate;291313]Oh and the zone? We made our run playing zone. It took Lutz a while, but he switched to a small, athletic lineup to a) pressure the fullcourt, and b) Richmond spread us way out, ran that half ass weave/screen up top and tried to overbalance or pull our zone out of position so they could jack a 3. When Bobby put in the quick guys, they stayed on the ballhandler through that topside screen, and closed out on shooters (except for once or twice). That was a nice coaching adjustment using a lineup we hadnât used much. Thumbs up. [/QUOTE]
Yeah, the zone is the way to go against Richmond. No one shoots jumpers inside the arc except for maybe their center with their style of play. I thought we did a decent job of intercepting their passes, too.
[QUOTE=NinerAdvocate;291317]Oh yeah, I forgot to say:
Isnât it great to have a team in the A10 run moving screens as well as Richmond?
Some of those looked like an offensive lineman charging the tackling dummy, they were so blatant.
:disgust:[/QUOTE]
Imagine if they get some home-cookinâ by the officials in their house. Ugh.
Oh yeah, I forgot to say:Isnât it great to have a team in the A10 run moving screens as well as Richmond?
Some of those looked like an offensive lineman charging the tackling dummy, they were so blatant.
:disgust:
You are allowed to take at least two steps and/or throw out your elbow when setting screens in the a10, or at least thats what the last few games have led me to believe
EDIT: anyone know why he got called for the technical?The Richmond radio announcers seem to think it was because he tipped the ball when it was being passed to someone who was standing out of bounds. This means he technically touched the ball before it came inbounds, which is a tech. I didn't see it obviously, but I think you could make a case if the ball was really close to being inbounds and/or the player who was catching it was inbounds when it was tipped (even if he jumps out of bounds by the time it would get there). By the way, not complaining about it's use in this game, but I think the ability to pass to someone out of bounds is a really stupid rule, that should simply be out of bounds other team's ball. Is there a good reason to have that rule?
Overall good points. I think Lutz might have called a timeout and gotten his point across about the 3pt shooting, particularly emphasizing what crazy foul trouble they were in. With our guys in hardly any foul trouble, despite our crappy FT shooting weâd have benefited from some strong moves to the basket by Coley and Mack to draw fouls and make them stop us at the risk of a charge or two.
He did touch the ball, it was an accident, but he slightly tapped the ball with his fingers.
Does anyone else think that the rule of being able to throw it to another player out of bounds is just dumb anyways?
I had to wait until today to post because I was so sick to my stomach after that game.
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We need to learn to box out. That is why other teams get offensive rebounds against us consistantly. We try to out jump everyone. I did not see one of our players put a butt into somebody all game.
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Please do not give an excuse for those threes. One thing that I have not seen mentioned on here is the reason we were so off from three. WE WERE FORCING STUPID ****ING SHOTS!! When you shoot some of the threes that we were shooting, a low percentage is the least of your worries. They knew our offense, so they were in our shooters faces. To shoot a good percentage, you need to shoot good shots. We do not. And if the three is not there, work it around until something else is open. Itâs not rocket science.
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Why did we go away from what got us the lead? We got the lead by playing pressure defense and going inside. We then get the lead, and shoot ourselves out of the game by firing up retarded shots from outside of the arc. Somebody up here said that Lutz said âwhy do they keep shooting threes?â Iâve got an answer, bc how many of our players are disciplined when they start forcing stupid threes? None that Iâve seen. Mack needs to get his ass under the basket when heâs cold from outside. AS MUCH AS YOU THINK YOU ARE, YOU ARE NOT A SHOOTING GUARD!! You have inside moves, and you score inside when you use them. Get your ass under the basket. Shoot the outside jumper if, and only if you are wide open, and hitting. Mack should never shoot more than 4 threes in a game unless heâs shooting like he did against Fordham, but from what Iâve seen, that is a rare commodity.
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Our leading scorers at the time when we got the lead were Anjuan, Coley, and Dew. When we got the lead, we did not go back to them the rest of the game. We got the lead by Juan and Dew taking it inside, getting fouled, and THEY WERE MAKING THEIR FREE THROWS. Not to mention their big guys were in foul trouble. So why, oh why, did we completely stop that plan when we got a lead? UNDISCIPLINED!!
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The subs were horrible. Anjuan was scoring, Mack was not. So why were we switching out offense/defense towards the end. ADJUSTMENTS? Gerrity shouldâve stayed in the game, Harris will not go to the basket, Gerrity worked better for this game, he was breaking them down offensively.
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Please do not blame this game on youth and inexperience. I saw someone in this thread do that. The two players that hurt us most yesterday were a Junior and a Senior.
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The refs were horrible, but the refs are always horrible, and they were horrible both ways. Iâm used to that with the A10, and everyone else should be as well.
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Lee and Gerrity let us down at the line. Gerrity usually shoots a high percentage and Lee is our go to guy in that situation.
I have nothing more to say other than the other team was much more prepared for this game than we were. They are a mediocre team, but are well coached, and they hit their game plan to perfection. As for us, I was trying to figure out what our game plan was, or if we even had one? Looks to me like we try to beat every team the exact same way. You canât do that, and Iâm sorry, no matter how much you dispute it, that comes down to coaching.
[quote=TheNinerAlchemist;291233]My two cents.
[B]Should he have sat the whole second half? Thatâs not my call. Personally, I was convinced all game that if he just hit ONE heâd be good for three more in a row because thatâs usually what you get from him.[/B]
BINGO!!!